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Frenkie to United?


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Where are these ridiculous comparisons coming from? Anderson joined us aged 17. De Jong is a senior international and one of the Netherland's most influential players. He has a substantial track record of excellence.

Did you question how stupid Liverpool would look signing Virgil Van Dijk if he turned out to be another Djimi Traore.
I was being facetious. I certainly wasn't questioned De Jong (I haven't seen enough of him since his Ajax days) - just United's recent transfer history
 
Would you not want to save 4m? That is £4,000,000 not £4 or £40.

Anyhow, you don't know the ins and outs of said saving, you don't know the makeup of the fee, the outlay or any of the intricate details so why waste energy worrying about it and using as a way to further bash the club.... Can't we just accept the fact that United/Murtough whoever has negotiated a better price?
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on
 
Nope, nothing like Xabi Alonso. He's more dynamic and less calculated than the Spaniard. He's not your typical regista tempo setter, but rather someone who'll bail the team out when under press with the bursts you mentioned. These are probably his strongest asset. He's much more comparable to Verratti or Kovacic.
which reminds me, we really do need someone who can set the tempo - all to often last season we played at the opponents' pace. One of SAF's greatest assets was getting us to control this
 
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on

Of course we should be trying to save money. We’re a publicly traded company and worse yet need to move away from the soft touch negotiation reputation.
I’d be surprised if Daniel Levy ever says “sure it’s only £4m”.

Re: inability to negotiate deals simultaneously I’ve not seen any substance or truth to it.
 
Of course we should be trying to save money. We’re a publicly traded company and worse yet need to move away from the soft touch negotiation reputation.
I’d be surprised if Daniel Levy ever says “sure it’s only £4m”.

Re: inability to negotiate deals simultaneously I’ve not seen any substance or truth to it.
so how many players have we signed while the FDJ saga (approaching Coronation Street levels) has dragged on?
 
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on

Sorry to be blunt but this is nonsense. 4 million quid is still 4 million quid no matter the size of the business.

If you throw that amount of money away left right and centre you will end up in a bad situation incredibly quickly.
 
Nope, nothing like Xabi Alonso. He's more dynamic and less calculated than the Spaniard. He's not your typical regista tempo setter, but rather someone who'll bail the team out when under press with the bursts you mentioned. These are probably his strongest asset. He's much more comparable to Verratti or Kovacic.

He can pass unlike Kovacic though, right? To me there’s a pretty wide gap between Verratti and Kovacic on that count, and if he’s on the Kovacic side of things…it’s hard to see how a midfielder that can’t pass is worth that kind of money.
 
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on
Right, if you earn £500 per year.....
 
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on


Thats not totally right. Turnover can be anything, if expenses are high. Also, the logic you have used is incorrect.

We are haggling over £11m of a £80m deal which is 14%

If you buy a 250,000 house on a mortgage, haggling over £35,000 is actually worth it.
If you are buying a 30,000 car, 14% is 4,200, again I would haggle over £4,200.

Who said there is an inability to negotiate other deals?

If you are buying a house, you will look at other components of the house whilst buying the house but you wouldn't buy without knowing you will be getting the house.
 
Thats not totally right. Turnover can be anything, if expenses are high. Also, the logic you have used is incorrect.

We are haggling over £11m of a £80m deal which is 14%

If you buy a 250,000 house on a mortgage, haggling over £35,000 is actually worth it.
If you are buying a 30,000 car, 14% is 4,200, again I would haggle over £4,200.

Who said there is an inability to negotiate other deals?

If you are buying a house, you will look at other components of the house whilst buying the house but you wouldn't buy without knowing you will be getting the house.


Plus we are setting an example for other clubs that we are not gonna do what we used to. So with Barca It is 4 or 10 mln with Ajax its gonna probably be another 10 and with other clubs we will save few more… so its not about 4 mln its about 20-25 in total.

And because It took almost 4 weeks we save 1,5 mln in wages for Frankie and i bet similar amount for other players in total.
 
Well given our turnover, £4m is like a few quid to you and me. Would you haggle over £5 over a new car or your mortgage? And you have to weigh the saving against how much time it's taken and an inability to negotiate other deals while it was going on

I mentioned this the other day. £4m saved is equivalent to £40m extra turnover, which isn’t to be sniffed at.
 
Plus we are setting an example for other clubs that we are not gonna do what we used to. So with Barca It is 4 or 10 mln with Ajax its gonna probably be another 10 and with other clubs we will save few more… so its not about 4 mln its about 20-25 in total.

And because It took almost 4 weeks we save 1,5 mln in wages for Frankie and i bet similar amount for other players in total.

Its quite funny because people make up their own narratives.

I have seen people say things like we could have got Antony for 40m, whereas every reputable journalist has come out and said it has never been 40m, Ajax have always wanted a higher fee. So, this notion of we will pay more is complete false.

The thing is the player is not going to join until he is back from holiday too.
 
Plus we are setting an example for other clubs that we are not gonna do what we used to. So with Barca It is 4 or 10 mln with Ajax its gonna probably be another 10 and with other clubs we will save few more… so its not about 4 mln its about 20-25 in total.

And because It took almost 4 weeks we save 1,5 mln in wages for Frankie and i bet similar amount for other players in total.
His contract wouldn't have started before July 1st anyway, so don't think that's right
 


These same Barca fans were acting like absolute mugs saying no chance in hell their club would sell for less than 100m after the Tchouameni deal and that they don't need to sell because of 'economic levers' :lol::lol:

Fair play to the negotiating team if the rumored figures prove to be true


I said this many times, United did well in negotiating the price down, De Jong is a superb player, normally Barca would not sell him, but they had financial issues, which was what United took advantage of, Barca needed De Jong's wages off the books plus cash from his transfer fee, United offered a very respectable 65M euros upfront, so, from Barca's perspective, this definitely alleviates their financial issues, while it is also a good deal for United.

Also, Barca got 2 excellent home grown CMs in Pedri & Gavi, so De Jong's departure would not be a major loss.

I would say this is still a win-win outcome for both Barca & United.
 
Haggling is a necessity in any business transaction. People want Utd to be run properly but also want them to just pay what it takes.

Sure, if this FDJ deal goes through I give it a week before people are again crying about lack of action, the nature of this time of the year, desperation for the next dopamine hit that comes with a completed transfer.
 


Sport claim United are now negotiating with De Jong and now the fee has all but been agreed the deal can move faster.
 
which reminds me, we really do need someone who can set the tempo - all to often last season we played at the opponents' pace. One of SAF's greatest assets was getting us to control this

Fergie loved having midfielders who could change the tempo of the play, either through early forward passing or driving with the ball. Probably the reason tubby Anderson lasted as long as he did as he was both a very aggressive and forward thinking passer and super at running with the ball through the middle.
 
He'd be excellent first signing and I think/hope a 'trigger' for another few signings through July. Think our window and season depends on whether we can manage to sign De Jong.
 
Ah we've arrived at that boring stage where you know a transfer is in the bag and you're just waiting for official confirmation so you can start obsessing over the next target.
 
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