Abraxas
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What are you waffling on about?Okay, then you lose your first 5 games and win the league.
I bet you can't.
We're not winning a title and we're not losing our first 5 games.
What are you waffling on about?Okay, then you lose your first 5 games and win the league.
I bet you can't.
Add in they will costLooked up the definition of average and overrated.
If you dont want a saga then Fabian Ruiz, Tielemas, Neuhaus, Aouar, Rabiot. If you want a saga then Milinkovic, Neves, Mcginn.
Looked up the definition of average and overrated.
Well those are the options. Tielemans and Ruiz are above averageAdd in they will cost
jesus, really? The first five aren’t in any way a replacement and have either been shit for 1-3 years, or average. The next two will cost nearly as much as fdj and probably take to the end of the window, and if McGinn ia the option we might as well stick with our own average midfielders and hop eth works miracles.
Thread title Change - Frenkie De Long Saga
IT WAS A BIG DAY TODAY OKAY?!?!?!?!
I think calling Ruiz and Tielemans average is going a bit far. They're good players.Add in they will cost
jesus, really? The first five aren’t in any way a replacement and have either been shit for 1-3 years, or average. The next two will cost nearly as much as fdj and probably take to the end of the window, and if McGinn ia the option we might as well stick with our own average midfielders and hop eth works miracles.
Yeah Ruiz is the next best and probably the only other player that can play the 'De Jong role' but I don't think he's done it before. Which is why we have to get De Jong before any other signing. Missing out on him could change our setup since no other player have proven to play like himI think calling Ruiz and Tielemans average is going a bit far. They're good players.
I don't think Tielemans is a very good candidate for this type of role, but Ruiz could be a sensible choice. He's no De Jong but he'd probably be my backup option if this falls flat.
What are you waffling on about?
We're not winning a title and we're not losing our first 5 games.
Oh yes, I forgot that you’re stacked with class players like McTominay, Fred, and Garner. Even Frenkie might struggle for game time.
The point is you will probably need more than De Jong, and if he’s not that bothered about coming then why not move the f*** on and get someone else in (whether it’s one or two players)?
Long John De Jong silver
If Bayern do that with Ajax or Liverpool, it is that they are great managers and do not throw money away. If Barcelona does that with Bayern or United, it is that they are a joke of a club.
If Barcelona throws away the money it is also a joke of a club.
The important thing is who does it.
Good job. Gotta teach ‘em disappointment early in life.Ahh we’ve all been sucked in from time to time. Glorious moment a few days ago when my son (13), full of transfer-window glee, told me excitedly that Timber was definitely about to happen. I mocked his naivety greatly and slowly explained what he was letting himself in for
Let's be honest here, 50m is an insane amount for a 33 y/o player, especially on a one year contract. I also think it's crazy that Barcelona are offering 35m for a 33 y/o with their financial situation. Although I understand Bayern prefer to keep him, I think they are quite unreasonable here. Besides the crazy fee, Bayern always acts like a big club with elite standards, but yet Bayern never have a problem bullying their German competitors of their best players and now they don't have the class to show a player with very big achievements for the club the respect to let him go to another country at this age for a reasonable fee.Bayern did a first bid for Mané, which Liverpool rejected. Then the management flew to Liverpool and finalized the deal.
Bayern doesn't want to sell, at least not below 50 million Euro. Barcelona submit a 32 million offer with 5 million Euro variables. Bayern reject. 2 weeks later Barcelona come up with a second bid of 35 million with 5 million Euro variables. That's a joke!
Encouraging the player to start a public war against Bayern to force the move. That's a (bad) joke!
This definitely won't help you guys getting the player. Actually quite the opposite.
I have the impression Barcelona wants Lewandowski but still can't close the deal. Thus, they are trying to keep the saga going with silly bids they know Bayern will reject.
I'm pretty sure Bayern won't sell at any price if they don't have a suitable replacement. If it drags on a few more weeks, this transfer will be dead in the water.
They don't sign Lewa/Bernardo and keep De Jong.What happens to Barca if united walks away from the deal?
Cantona wanted to leave in 95 and had to be persuaded to stay. Ronaldo wanted to leave in 06 and 08 and had to be persuaded to stay. There’s nothing out of the ordinary in using persuasion to sign or keep players. What’s the alternative? United aren’t in a position to just say take it or leave it. Do you think Real Madrid weren’t doing all they could to persuade Mbappe and PSG likewise? The attitude of people in here would be disastrous and not the way any club operates.Then what about Sanchez wanting to leave after one training session? Lukaku after one game? With their reactions it’s guaranteed they had to be convinced to join in the first place. They’re near enough the same situations just played out differently.
Hell Ronaldo was off to City before SAF and Rio played on his heart strings to get him to sign for us. Cavani was off to Spain last season before we got him to stay and he then lost interest. There’s so many instances of players starting for us that would rather be somewhere else that it’s sickening.
I don't think it is wise for Barcelona to pay 50m for a 33 y/o player given their situation right now. They may as well spend that money on Dembele replacement if he leaves and sign Lewandowski next summer.Let's be honest here, 50m is an insane amount for a 33 y/o player, especially on a one year contract. I also think it's crazy that Barcelona are offering 35m for a 33 y/o with their financial situation. Although I understand Bayern prefer to keep him, I think they are quite unreasonable here. Besides the crazy fee, Bayern always acts like a big club with elite standards, but yet Bayern never have a problem bullying their German competitors of their best players and now they don't have the class to show a player with very big achievements for the club the respect to let him go to another country at this age for a reasonable fee.
I just don't think it's very classy from Bayern. They should be bigger than this. It's not like Barca is just offering 10m. For a 33 y/o player, especially with only one year left on the contract 30-35m is a very reasonable offer and Bayern would show class to respect Lewandowski's wishes and not go for the absolute maximum fee. It's not like Bayern is selling a player that would have an 8-10 year future at the club, then I would understand Bayern to be very reluctant / putting a crazy price tag. When a player has done this much for the club and has a wish to play in another country in his last years it's not very classy to do everything in your power to block the move. I don't understand it.
So apparently this saga could drag on till the end of the transfer window according to Ornstein. We also can't complete any other deals until FDJ has been signed apparently.
5 deadline day transfers ?
I watched the part of Ornstein's interview where he talks about De Jong and he doesn't actually say it is "expected" to be a long saga, he just says it "could" be long and painful due to Barca wanting to squeeze every last cent out of us and United not wanting to be fleeced.
It is not so hard to put in a Previous bid + 1 Euro bid.Barcelona allegedly bid for Lewandowski today
Surely not doing that unless they have some money from us coming in?
Key word being "could", not "would", as Withnail just highlighted.So apparently this saga could drag on till the end of the transfer window according to Ornstein. We also can't complete any other deals until FDJ has been signed apparently.
5 deadline day transfers ?
Well it’s a few more weeks IF true. So what? Be patient@UnitedSofa @golden_blunder. time to be patient till the end of the window ? New transfer team , new structure new strategy. You guys were very sure what the club was doing and called everyone spoilt, impatient, drama queens etc whoever didn’t agree.
Let's be honest here, 50m is an insane amount for a 33 y/o player, especially on a one year contract.
At this moment in time we are fighting for 7th. Spurs & Arsenal getting stronger. West Ham and Newcastle in the mix too. None of this we finished 2nd two years ago crap. We are light years away and it needs to be fixedIt's a moot point anyway. We aren't winning a title next year.
At this moment in time we are fighting for 7th. Spurs & Arsenal getting stronger. West Ham and Newcastle in the mix too. None of this we finished 2nd two years ago crap. We are light years away and it needs to be fixed
De Jong isn't even back in training for like 2/3 more weeks anyway.@UnitedSofa @golden_blunder. time to be patient till the end of the window ? New transfer team , new structure new strategy. You guys were very sure what the club was doing and called everyone spoilt, impatient, drama queens etc whoever didn’t agree.
So what ? So be patient all the way from the beginning till the deadline day even if your club doesn’t make a signing ? Don’t say anything, don’t criticise anything even if it’s justified. Right just be patient. What is this ?Well it’s a few more weeks IF true. So what? Be patient
Don't worry, apparently he's sarcastic 99% of the time on here......or so he told me the other dayWhat are you waffling on about?
We're not winning a title and we're not losing our first 5 games.
You don’t understand. If we sign him now he then has two weeks in Vegas as a United player learning his role (lol), but if we sign him in ten days we’ll have wasted… ten days of him spending time in Vegas.De Jong isn't even back in training for like 2/3 more weeks anyway.
The club will obviously be patient to get the best deal. The only thing that will be annoying is if it delays other deals also.
We should be working on them all at once.
Agreed. I don’t have any issue with de Jong signing. I’m sure that would happen. It’s the others that are on hold because of it I have an issue with. It’s idiotic. Now Antony’s price is 70m because Ajax already sold so many of their players and don’t need the money. If only we could have completed some of our signings before de Jong.De Jong isn't even back in training for like 2/3 more weeks anyway.
The club will obviously be patient to get the best deal. The only thing that will be annoying is if it delays other deals also.
We should be working on them all at once.
Lewandowski is currently the best striker in the world. He is the current world player of they year and second in the balloon d'Or competition. He is 33 but still top fit and never injured. And Bayern had never any intention to sell. I'm sure Lewandowski can still play another 2 to 3 years ago the highest level, if not longer.
So why would they let a player, who is irreplaceable go on the cheap?
Further Barcelona are playing at time. They aren't allowed to sign Lewandowski under the current circumstances. Thus, Bayern can't even sell him now and look for a replacement. No idea when Barcelona actually gets the green light to sign and register players.
They are linked to do many players, Christensen, Alonso, Azpilicueta, Raphina, Kressi, Silva and Lewandowski, probably even more. At the same time they need to reduce their payroll. No idea how they will achieve it. Total mess of a club.
Barça is allowed to sign anyone they want. Barça CAN pay. It is REGISTERING (in LaLiga, not Champions League btw) the "problem". It won't be an issue in a few weeks.
It has nothing to do with Bayern if they can register him tomorrow or not, or if Barça is linked to 100 players or 0.
I prefer tro try Lewa for free in a year, even if he is one year older.
As much as I like De Jong, Barcelona shouldn't really be in a position to demand more than what they paid for him. The whole world knows their financial situation and De Jong is the player they deem expendable.
The reported bids shouldn't be far off what he goes for. Perhaps more money as a guaranteed sum instead of add-ons but they don't really hold the cards.
So barcelona can sign anyone they want, but can't register them? meaning that they can't sign anyone they want because they
can't be registered?
As much as I like De Jong, Barcelona shouldn't really be in a position to demand more than what they paid for him. The whole world knows their financial situation and De Jong is the player they deem expendable.
The reported bids shouldn't be far off what he goes for. Perhaps more money as a guaranteed sum instead of add-ons but they don't really hold the cards.