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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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How do you know that he doesn't want to play for United?
People need to understand that it's so easy for him to push United away from this deal. A simple phone call from his agent to us would end it completely, or even a public statement that he intends to stay.
His current stance is so simple and so clear, if he pushes for a move he gets nothing, but by not pushing for a move he makes it clear that he's going to get his money either way, and that he isn't afraid to stay.
Barca on the other hand can't afford to keep him, so they're making it clear that they want him gone, and that if he stays he'll be a CB backup. The pressure from Barca will increase every day.
It's just a case of who blinks first, and will probably end up in a compromise from bother parties.
Bullshit Lies ManipulationBLM? I can't read that as anything but Black Lives Matter these days, it's been drummed into me.What does BLM stand for in Barcelona terms?
Frenkie is stagnating before a World Cup in 4 months.
He's not first choice at his best position (Busquets) and he's in steep competition if not outside of the starting XI for any advanced central midfield roles. And obviously, he's not a CB for Barca or Holland. If he sticks it out with Barca getting his wages but not being utlizied to his optimal level or even trying to, he's being very content. Outside an injury to Busquets, who also needs to be playing well and be fit for the World Cup, FdJ doesn't have an immediate future at Barca as a first choice player. That's an expensive ass player to be rotational.
He's not first choice at his best position (Busquets) and he's in steep competition if not outside of the starting XI for any advanced central midfield roles. And obviously, he's not a CB for Barca or Holland. If he sticks it out with Barca getting his wages but not being utlizied to his optimal level or even trying to, he's being very content. Outside an injury to Busquets, who also needs to be playing well and be fit for the World Cup, FdJ doesn't have an immediate future at Barca as a first choice player. That's an expensive ass player to be rotational.
I don't consider Busquets position his best, to be honest. He doesn't work in their system because he works better in a double-pivot.
Wonder what Van Gaal has to say about Frenkie being played in CB.
Depends when baby Frenkie is due!
It's his best position but it's a different role. And he is as good in a midfield three.
This is part of Barcas tactic,its a game of chicken,a matter of who blinks first.
I don't think he's that great as the base of the three or as a 8.
Spot on. He needs to play in a double-pivot which is a major reason Xavi sees him as expendable. Had Gavi and Pedri not emerged, we could of tried a formation that suits him but at this point his performances don't really warrant it. I've seen peoples lineups on here putting him as the lone DM, luckily for you ten Hag knows his best position
If he stays on the same terms that he's on now, then they have to pay him the 17million on top of whatever other wages he gets. As you say they can't force him to reduce his wage and bonus rights, so yes he's likely to stay unless Barcelona give into his demands.
But then it goes to what Barcelona are more likely to do. Either, keep a player they don't want/need, a player they've spent the summer trying to force out and make unpopular with the fans, on a prohibitively expensive contract... or bite the bullet pay the extra money they tried to swindle him out of and take the transfer fee and money saved on the rest of his wages. If they were in a financial position to eat it to prove a point they might but right now they have very little real choice. They will either give into his demands or a compromise will be reached.
Barcelona are trying to bluff at poker when everyone knows their hand.
Doesn't seem any sign of that happening
FdJ staying would be crippling for Barca as they will have an inability to register players and cannot comply with La Liga's FFP. They know this. On the other hand, FdJ is limiting his playing time and sharpness for the World Cup. It's such a wild situation where both sides are at fault for different, yet neglectful reasons.
Yeah I keep thinking sooner or later something has gotta give with this saga
Not yet, but all 3 sides want/need it. So as we get closer to the deadline something has to give.
And that's why your previous statement made little sense, you clearly see that there is at least two logical outcomes. And Barcelona need to sell players regardless of De Jong, with Koundé they have 26 senior players, the limit is 25, we know that Mingueza, Memphis, Braithwaite, Umtiti and De Jong, the press is also talking about De Jong.
While I do think that De Jong is likely to leave because it's very convenient for Barcelona, too many people are seemingly ignoring the fact that they could keep him one more year if they sell most of the players they want and need to sell. Registering players or their FFP issues aren't exclusively solved by De Jong, it's just the largest asset and biggest chunk to get rid of, it would be nice for them to be rid of it but it's not imperative this summer.
We’ll it certainly more plausible than FDJ choosing Chelsea over United. The fact is that FDJ and ETH are very very close and it’s ridiculous to think that United would be chasing if FDJ didn’t want to sign for United. It’s also implausible to think that FDJ and ETH aren’t in direct contact knowing how close they are. So it’s worth putting some more muppet fuel on the fire and on to the next 1,000 pages!
La liga s FFP won't do anything.They will give them liverage something like extend the time to comply but will allow to register their players this window.
Technically true but they need to sell a lot of other players and most of the names in the list are getting less interest than Ronaldo from Bayern right now. So far only Christensen has actually been registered so they still needed to free up room for Kessie, Lewa and Raphina and now you have to add Kounde to that list plus they are now planning to buy Azpi. Depay is on a pretty modest wage by their standards and has some resale value but after that it is really the dregs of their roster and it is tough to see them shifting any of them. Barca is like some crazy ponzi scheme right now, it is so hard to see how they avoid crashing spectacularly in the near future with this behaviour.
They didn't in the past and have no reason to do it this summer. Now Barcelona can fix their short term issues by simply selling the extra players that they have, that are on relatively large wages and won't play.
How many levers have they activated?
They will get rid of them, these are typical August transfers. Now even after selling them Barcelona will likely still try to sell De Jong, it will just give them more time.
Is it a stone cold fact that Barcelona cannot register their new signings unless they sell Frenkie?
Only 572!
Frenkie de Jong is the Nelson Mandela of football. Freeeeeee Frenkie de Jong, I’m telling ya
Jokes aside, my wife asked me yesterday if I was ready for the baby, I told her that I would be fine waiting for another year. She told me she wasn't an elephant.
Ah. Looks like they've more levers then money
They sold all TV rights and Merch rights,now all the players are contracted to send 1000 personalised messages on Memmo every month.
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