Frenkie De Jong | Performances

Lots of replies. I didn’t think my statement was so controversial. Rereading, I do see how it sounds as if he shouldn’t care about money, though. I wrote that poorly.
FrankWhite said:
There's still a thing though, about letting people advantage of your good nature and getting away with it. You could say it is not about the money but rather the principle.
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I agree. I think principles beat any other decisions.
Telsim said:
What's wrong with his career at Barcelona? He played the full game last night and has 50% of the total minutes played in La Liga. We don't even have CL. So I'm not sure what your point is?
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My point was that it shouldn’t be a decision based upon which city to live in, rather on which team is the best for his football career. He may consider it to be Barcelona. Fine.
P-Nut said:
I still find it insane how many people say they wouldn't consider their partners thoughts.
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If I get to play the game I love for a window of 10-15 years and earn enough for our children and grandchildren to be set for life, I’m happy to selfishly focus on my short career. If my partner doesn’t understand this is a once in a lifetime situation where he or she needs to take the back seat, then I wouldn’t want that relationship. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to hear their opinion. But my decision would clearly be football first.
wr8_utd said:
He didn't have limited time in his previous season and Xavi has had faith in him and considers him a vital member. Demebele played pretty much every match after Barca threatened him with putting him in the stands back in Jan as well. FDJ has good reason to believe he will get games this season.
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If he chooses Barcelona or any other club purely for footballing reasons, all the best for him.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
It's to do with how they use him and the job they ask of him
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That's fair enough mate. But if you have a world class midfielder, wouldn't you do everything to accomodate them?

Would you not find room for a prime Messi/Ronaldo or Modric/Kroos regardless of your philosophy as a manager? My point being that he is not as good as people here seem to make of him. Of course, he's a good talent no doubt.
 
Starting in a home game vs Plzen doesn't really say much about his place in the squad...
 
LoneStar said:
That's fair enough mate. But if you have a world class midfielder, wouldn't you do everything to accomodate them?

Would you not find room for a prime Messi/Ronaldo or Modric/Kroos regardless of your philosophy as a manager? My point being that he is not as good as people here seem to make of him. Of course, he's a good talent no doubt.
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Why didn't we with Pogba? You build a system and fit the players to the system, it's not like the other players are awful - They happen to be stacked with quality midfielders
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Why didn't we with Pogba? You build a system and fit the players to the system, it's not like the other players are awful - They happen to be stacked with quality midfielders
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It was done for him.

Pogba was put in several different positions and formations to try and get best out of him. It worked for brief periods then he'd disappear again and it was everyone elses fault for not being good enough or the managers fault for not playing him in the right position.

The reality was he didn't want to be at Utd and managers just couldn't trust him to do his job properly regardless of where and how they played him.
 
Oranges038 said:
It was done for him.

Pogba was put in several different positions and formations to try and get best out of him. It worked for brief periods then he'd disappear again and it was everyone elses fault for not being good enough or the managers fault for not playing him in the right position.

The reality was he didn't want to be at Utd and managers just couldn't trust him to do his job properly regardless of where and how they played him.
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I know its not Pogba thread but the amount of improvement we are seeing from Rashford, McTominay,Dalot and others it would of been interesting to see Pogba in the current ETH setup.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Why didn't we with Pogba? You build a system and fit the players to the system, it's not like the other players are awful - They happen to be stacked with quality midfielders
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Barca are not even a top 5 team in Europe, maybe top 10. If he can't make the starting 11 for them, then he's not world class. Simple as.

If he was that good, he would force himself into that midfield. Again, he's good, but he's been vastly overrated on here this transfer window.

He has not been anywhere as good as he was for Ajax at Barca. And the PL is even more physical and competitive. Not worth losing sleep if we don't get this guy for sure.
 
Gums said:
Lots of replies. I didn’t think my statement was so controversial. Rereading, I do see how it sounds as if he shouldn’t care about money, though. I wrote that poorly.

I agree. I think principles beat any other decisions.

My point was that it shouldn’t be a decision based upon which city to live in, rather on which team is the best for his football career. He may consider it to be Barcelona. Fine.

If I get to play the game I love for a window of 10-15 years and earn enough for our children and grandchildren to be set for life, I’m happy to selfishly focus on my short career. If my partner doesn’t understand this is a once in a lifetime situation where he or she needs to take the back seat, then I wouldn’t want that relationship. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to hear their opinion. But my decision would clearly be football first.

If he chooses Barcelona or any other club purely for footballing reasons, all the best for him.
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Money isn't a worry to them, believe or not most normal rational human beings would put family over their job
 
Pronewbie said:
How much will it be next season?
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Hard to say as it is spread over the next 4 years of his extended new contract (2 year extension) when deferred in 2020.
Marca says De Jong had his salary reduced to 3m euros in 2020-21 and 6m euros (£2.6m) last season. Starting from this season, he is due to earn 18m euros for the next three years - and 19m euros in the final year of his deal.
 
De Jong has never been world-class and likely now will never reach that level, he had one great season in his career and that was it.

We need a player like him though or preferably someone physical who can run with the ball like Anguissa.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Anyone with eyes could see that he was going to rot on the bench at Barca. Absolute dumb cnut to stay there in a world cup year while the club treated him like dirt.

Truly living the dream.
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Well he can go home and never worry about a bill again, Id say he is living the best dream imaginable
 
Gums said:
If I get to play the game I love for a window of 10-15 years and earn enough for our children and grandchildren to be set for life, I’m happy to selfishly focus on my short career. If my partner doesn’t understand this is a once in a lifetime situation where he or she needs to take the back seat, then I wouldn’t want that relationship. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to hear their opinion. But my decision would clearly be football first.
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I don't know man. It's a job for them at the end of the day. Not every player is a fan or in love with the game. Besides, he's probably made enough money in his career where he or his children won't starve. So perhaps, his relationship is higher up in his priority list than we think.
 
P-Nut said:
Money isn't a worry to them, believe or not most normal rational human beings would put family over their job
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First, I think most emotional human beings would choose family over job. Second, I think it’s pointless to compare normal jobs and situations with professional footballers. They could choose to spend the rest of their lives from their thirties with their families, all day, every day, wherever they like, doing whatever they like. As non-professional footy players we need to leave our families alone 8-10 hours per day, 5 days a week until we reach 60, give or take.

Right or wrong, I would understand any pro that puts a unique career opportunity over family - with the clear exception of having children and the attached responsibilities.
 
He'll get enough sub appearances and odd starts to be match fit for the World Cup. If anything he'll be fresher than most players.
 
pawanraj said:
I don't know man. It's a job for them at the end of the day. Not every player is a fan or in love with the game. Besides, he's probably made enough money in his career where he or his children won't starve. So perhaps, his relationship is higher up in his priority list than we think.
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You’re right, of course. It’s all very personal and individual. I like to think I’d grab the opportunity and try to make the very best of it. As mentioned above, rationally I’d hope to choose the bigger picture and what’s best for my family long-term. Emotionally, I’m sure I’d want to make my partner happy, too.
 
Yeah, he will be a starter for years to come. Lets hope we have an alternative lined up for next summer.
 
Xavi all you had to do was keep the dipshi** on the bench for the next 6 months and you could have got your Silva.

But now you are going to activate another economic lever to get Silva and we have to wait till Barca get dissolved to get Frenkie which is atleast 5 years away.
 
croadyman said:
Time for Erik to look elsewhere whether that means he moulds someone within squad or targets someone over this season with a view to signing in the summer.
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A lot could happen within a year or hell even within a half of that so we definitely shouldn't give up.

But yeah we also need to look for alternatives or wait and see if that Zidane fella could take the next step.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
He is better than Gavi and Busquets and probably Pedri as well.
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I don't think many people who follow Barca agree with your assessment, but that's okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
I thought he wasn’t going to be starting games and he was a coward for not wanting to leave?
 
Dont worry. He will get his money and then he will come. He aint loyal to the dark masters who treated him like a puppy.
 
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