I think the need for a striker is more pressing now. Wouldn’t be against signing Sabitzer permanently if the deal is reasonable, but we cant go into another season with only Martial up front. I’m not sure Weghorst is doing enough to be signed permanently yet. He needs to be scoring a few too.
Frenkie de Jong - Part 2 - Chase Harder.
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Perhaps go and read his threads rather than throwing insults around huh?
What? When did I insult you? And what did I say that was wrong? Unless you can bring provide proof that Casemiro was in the works before FDJ and that both planned to be brought together.
You are wrong about the casemiro transfer timeline. It's been very well documented.
I find it difficult to believe that ETH would have chased him all summer if he didn't already know he was up for the move
nothing in that makes any sense, he can easily ask the guy anytime he wants
what does make sense is that Barca were willing to sell him but not pay his deferred wages, and we wouldn't pay it either. So he stayed because he doesn't want to lose all that money
its all conjecture of course, but that's what makes the most sense to me
nothing in that makes any sense, he can easily ask the guy anytime he wants
what does make sense is that Barca were willing to sell him but not pay his deferred wages, and we wouldn't pay it either. So he stayed because he doesn't want to lose all that money
its all conjecture of course, but that's what makes the most sense to me
It someone types a message for you and your reaction is “this is bullshit”, that’s an insult no?
Regardless, I’m telling you where the proof is that we were talking to him long before everyone thought.
I have no proof that we planned to buy both together of course but my opinion is that Casemiro was always going to be done once he confirmed it and once they chased their other target(s) first as they knew that they’d be trickier. Rabiot was targeted I think more as a “there’s others out there” to try and speed the deal with FDJ.
eriksen wasn’t bought to play where he’s been playing. I think they made it work when FDJ didn’t come in. I think he was signed as depth for midfield
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Think it’s more that his wife loves it for her Insta backdrops. He’s a bit cucked
No, because it has nothing to do with you, just what you're saying. If you feel insulted, I'm sorry, but that certainly wasn't my intention.
As far as us talking to Casemiro prior to FDJ failing apart, I don't see much evidence of it and I've looked. Can you link to some articles that would suggest United had contact with Casemiro before the Frenkie deal because I can't find any?
I'm also pretty sure Rabiot was targeted immediately or at least at the end of Frenkie's deal not proceeding. If Casemiro was in the works, why would we ever do that? In fact, If I remember correctly, everyone here was stunned with the Casemiro transfer and thought it came out of the blue. I can look at the Casemiro transfer thread, but I'm sure it came up after the news broke out and it was done relatively quickly afterwards.
I seriously doubt Eriksen was brought as a back-up considering his quality and the fact that we have McFred as future subs (and Donny if you want to include him). Sure, Eriksen had some health issues, but he proved his quality at both Inter and Brentford prior to us offering him a contract.
There you go others have read the tweets and articles, it wasn’t just a snap thought to sign him
If I remember correctly, the alleged reason that he didn't join was due to the deferred wages not being paid to him. It would also make sense this is why Barca accepted a fee for him to try and rid themselves of the financial burden. Hopefully this can get resolved because I think he is the missing piece for the system ETH wants to play.
If he wants to be here, I would have him in a heartbeat.
If not, no ta. Or more if he would rather be in Spain...fair fecks to him. Move on.
If not, no ta. Or more if he would rather be in Spain...fair fecks to him. Move on.
Now that that has been resolved (if it has completely) do you think they'd be as keen to get rid? Especially for a reasonable fee?
As far as I know it hasn't been resolved at all. It's just that he'll be one year further into his contract so the deferred wages won't be as high as he'll have got some of them paid over the course of this season. So instead of them trying to make him give up 17m of wages like it was at the start of this season, it might only be 12m or so this time (just guessing, no idea what the actual number will be).
I don't think that FDJ would be a reasonable fee (ie 35-50 mil) probably be 65+. But he is 25 and one of the top players in his position. My dream summer would have him and Osimhen come in along with signing Sabitzer and Weghorst permanently (both I think could be reasonable fees).
Shift off some deadwood (McTominay, Martial, Maguire), and its probably close to a 150-175 mil net spend.
Those are both terrible options if we want to contend
But probably De Jong and we bring in a cheap non-Weghorst option. Our ability to control games would go to another level, and he'd be the best Casemiro cover option as well.
If you could get Oshimen, I think you got to go for it.
But if you are asking me what is more important for ETH, a world class CM in Eriksen’s role or at striker, I think he 10 out of 10 times take the CM.
The big risk with ETHs system is not that we play really well but don’t score, it’s that out game falls apart — with the ball — in which case we are really vulnerable, which we have seen when Casemiro has been out. If we want to take it to the next step and be able to dominate teams like City and Barca, we just need more talent on the ball. We could get there with a Brobery at striker and a FDJ at CM but never with Eriksen at CM and Osimehn at ST.
Could have been you that today Frenkie, instead you chose to stay at a club that lost again
I would definitely take Weghorst — as a 3rd option at striker. Like he does contribute when he plays — with his link ups and pressing — and he is almost never hurting how we want to play.
The more I think about it, the more keen I am to really go after a young talented striker. Sesko would of course be the No 1 target. Someone like Vitor Roque could be really interesting. Keep Martial around. He will play when he is healthy. Sign WW as a 3rd string who can play when Martial is hurt. And then bring in a top talent like Sesko who can grow into the role, but won’t be expected to perform every 3rd day for 6 months.
I watched him live at OT for the Barca game. Thought he was 1 of their best players. Keeps the play neat & tidy. Dun recall him losing or giving away the ball much, despite Fred & co heckling him. Wasn't sure whether its his usual style or cos they were chasing the game, but in the last 15 min, he was carrying the ball from deep & driving a lot of their attacks from deep. A bit surprised his acceleration seems decent & seems strong enough to hold off most challenges. He delivered a no of good long balls to the Barca fullbacks n wingers too. Passing range seems decent. Last point - me & nearby lads at pitch side giving him a lot of verbal abuse hahaha. But he took it cooly and even accorded us a smile HAH!
Oh he is good, he is good. Unfortunate that he is not with us. What could have been....
"First to stop Frenkie de jong playing, he [Fred] had to play as a mosquito around him and go behind him, and he did it magnificent"
- Erik Ten Hag.
Biggest compliment FdJ can get.
- Erik Ten Hag.
Biggest compliment FdJ can get.
Yep he was never ‘not interested’
Those who keep saying that are misinformed
You have zero clue from reading that.
United were in contact with Casemiro around the time of the Super Cup Final when he decided he wanted to move.
Do some more reading.
Our midfield is fine. Easily B but hopefully this leaves some room to keep Sabitzer.
We put a football shaped hole in him. We set Fred on him. We stopped him playing. Now we want to be nice to him so he joins us in the summer. Makes sense.
You people keep saying that yet not one of you so far has provided any proof backing what you say.
We are only a Rashford injury away from being a mid-table team again. We have literally no other goal scorers at the club
@Sviken
Casemiro is well documented to have signalled he wanted to leave after winning the CL - that's why RM went in hard to buy Tchouameini so early in the transfer window. When the United contact was established, I can't say for sure, but it was not a last minute deal, we had been keeping tabs on him for a while.
Casemiro is well documented to have signalled he wanted to leave after winning the CL - that's why RM went in hard to buy Tchouameini so early in the transfer window. When the United contact was established, I can't say for sure, but it was not a last minute deal, we had been keeping tabs on him for a while.
Your laziness is not my concern my friend!
I'm sorry but Fred is not the authority on United's transfers. They might have talked as friends (they're part of the Brazilian national team after all), Casemiro might have expressed interest in looking for a new challenge, but there's zero indication that we were in for him and our target during the summer was definitely FDJ. And Fred himself doesn't even seem to suggest as much, he only implies Casemiro might have been interested (which is why a transfer wouldn't be a surprise for him), but he never once mentions something being in the works. Not one of our tier 1 journalists, or even tier 2, mentioned anything about Casemiro until the deals with FDJ and Rabiot broke. Around the time the Rabiot deal broke it's reported we contacted Casemiro and that's when that got going and everyone was aware of it. Somewhere around this time it's reported that Real Madrid tried to keep him but Casemiro was adamant about leaving and he apparently got even more excited and determined after our defeats at Brighton and Brentford (which is interesting and very good thing to see). That's how the story goes and it's quite clear that the developments regarding the transfer happened 1 maximum 2 months prior to the transfer itself and we were definitely not for him since the beginning.
Ah yes, it's laziness calling out your bullshit. Okay.
Are you trolling on purpose now?
Your refutes are based on feelings, their posts are based on documented facts, you're not the one in the right here.
How is Fred saying he had a nice chat with his friend a "documented fact" in regards to a transfer? I can't believe you guys are serious with this. You're so wrong and yet you speak with such utter conviction that I'm starting to doubt myself here. Or maybe i'm just living in looney tunes, I don't know.
@Sviken I know the likes of Whitwell and Stone has insisted even now that he was a panic buy, but that doesn’t bear out in reality. They were just completely out of the loop on that one, as was the Madrid’s press. The timeline we are given is that Casemiro thought about leaving as early as last Christmas, and decided he wanted to leave after the CL final. His team told him to go on holiday and according to Fred’s account, Cas already phoned him up asking about life at United. Now, I don’t doubt that they have a personal relationship before, but you don’t ring someone out of the blue asking about their place of work. What we can surmise is that his team must have put the words out to some teams who can afford him, but insisted on secrecy since he could have yet stayed. In August 10 after the Super Cup he finally made up his mind and 9 days later he was a Utd player. The match against Brentford was August 13, and we all know the story about how he was watching it live and told his team to prompt us to speed up. So either our transfer folks became incredibly good at closing deal to finalize a transfer of that magnitude in mere days (and everything has to be signed off by the Glazers), or we have been in contact all summer and just sped things up once it became clear. No other club was linked with him, no one heard about it until everything was pretty much done, all the ITKs were bamboozled. There were no drawn out process playing out in the press, no last minute gazump.
And Fred actually said he ‘found out(about the transfer) well before they announced it’, then continued into details about the chat. It clearly wasn’t a ‘hey, how are you doing?’, it was ‘I’m getting an offer, sell me this club’.
And Fred actually said he ‘found out(about the transfer) well before they announced it’, then continued into details about the chat. It clearly wasn’t a ‘hey, how are you doing?’, it was ‘I’m getting an offer, sell me this club’.
He’d rather believe everything in the media rather than a person who is actually close to Casemiro.
Why are quoting me in your rant?
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