It's Troy "cojones" Deeney. He doesn't have many qualms with talking shite about fellow pros.
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It's Troy "cojones" Deeney. He doesn't have many qualms with talking shite about fellow pros.
I do agree with Deeney a bit about Fred being targeted in PL because of these lower teams tend to getting physical with him. That forced him to give away the ball.
But Deeney is a cnut and I am a fan of Fred. He carried us when Pogba was out last season.
But Deeney is a cnut and I am a fan of Fred. He carried us when Pogba was out last season.
He's basically Kante without the fame or reputation at this point. Both have monstrous engines and specialize in harassing the opposition for 90 mins and recovering any ball they can. I also think Fred is really underrated as a dribbler/carrying the ball up the pitch. He leaves much to be desired with his passing at times, but as a component of a midfield trio he can be invaluable. I also thought he was miles better as a Pogba partner than Matic at the end of the summer, when Matic was worn out.
It's looking pretty likely that last seasons great defensive numbers were probably more to do with us playing a lot of Fred and McTominay than the improvement to the back four.
I think it was a combination of both. And I think this year scoring is up pretty much everywhere, with teams shipping goals left and right with unfit defenders and a lack of preseason costing players, as well as the severe increase in penalties awarded.
That doesn’t marry with the facts. We conceded less with Matic in the team.
I really like some bits of him, specially his energy and commitment, but his passing is clumsy to say the least. Even on his best games I've seen him give away easy passes, that's something that really needs to improve if he wants to cement a place in our midfield, which I do beleive is something he'd be capable of
I recall Deeney said the similar thing last season in some interview. Last season at Old Trafford the 3-0 victory, they were targeting him and keep putting 2-3 players on him. However, that’s the Fred of 2018/2019. This Fred since last season has improved when on the ball. He can be disposed as his game bit erratic but not as much as his first season anymore.
Fred should play whenever he is fit and available, he had very good season and should play ahead of Matic. We need mobility, his energy, work rate, apart from that he carries the ball well.
He remains #2 on the teamsheet for me after Bruno
He committed lots of fouls before when he chased, harassed opponents. But that has been improving remarkably with better timing tackles, proactive fake body movements to make players run to his planned direction.
Tommy assigned to track Neymar but when hes on yellow card, Fred switched for him and done brilliantly. Neymar has quick feet therefore shadow following and make right time tackles seems to be the good way that Fred did.
When he struggled and people started writing him off, I wonder why we bought him and looked for his own performances against some teams. I saw a very good player there especially his energy, good technique and ability to run with the balls. Don't know and don't care what happened back then but I hope Ole can see what he is all about and give him regular playing time.
Tommy assigned to track Neymar but when hes on yellow card, Fred switched for him and done brilliantly. Neymar has quick feet therefore shadow following and make right time tackles seems to be the good way that Fred did.
When he struggled and people started writing him off, I wonder why we bought him and looked for his own performances against some teams. I saw a very good player there especially his energy, good technique and ability to run with the balls. Don't know and don't care what happened back then but I hope Ole can see what he is all about and give him regular playing time.
It's Bruno
For me he should play always. I keep saying that he can be our long term solution for dmc. I want to see him, Bruno and Pogba together plus VDB if we are in diamond formation.
That was true till about mid of last season. He started badly for united and was bit shaky in last season too. But against Newcastle and PSG he was totally different beast. Don't remember incident when he was mugged or took too long to pass. He was exquisite.
When Troy Deeney does it on a wet Tuesday night in Paris against last season's CL runners-up, I will think of spending a minute or two on what he wants to say about fellow professionals. Enjoy the Championship, you tw*t.
Fred's performance against PSG was not a one-off; he was playing well before the lockdown last season and for some reason Ole dropped him after the restart.
Fred's performance against PSG was not a one-off; he was playing well before the lockdown last season and for some reason Ole dropped him after the restart.
He is a great midfielder and he should be playing almost every game this season. He has been both terrible and great since he arrived, but now is the time for him to really establish himself. He is the one midfielder we have that can play with everyone else and he provides things consistently that is integral to our tactics.
how can he be a great midfielder, when in the next sentence you have said he’s been terrible?
I’m really not a fan of his, but players really well against PSG and his energy was very important.
the issue with our midfield in general is finding the right blend.
I mean he's literally just saying what tactics they employed at Watford when they played against us? Don't really see what's wrong with it, and can't see why he'd make it up?
Also as others have said, it probably was true back then, but is less true now as he does tend to spend less time on the ball now then he did before.
He's rarely ever been terrible, just made mistakes.
People are only just starting to notice what he's actually been doing the whole time he's been here.
His off the ball work is world class and that's exactly why we need him. Keep the passing and shooting simple, give it to the more talented players and keep winning the ball and disrupting the opposition off it.
I made a post previously stating he is our most important player behind Bruno as he gives us something none of the others can.
Are you serious about your first question? If so here is the answer. Players can adapt and evolve, regress and push on again. I think he has consistently had a very high level since his involvement last season. A few off games but not terrible ones. I think he is ready now. Agree with your point about finding the right blend.
I think he was terrible in his first season because he made dangerous mistakes every game he played. Didn't look like he would be able to adapt fully. He has found himself though, and I think he has reinvented himself a bit to be more comfortable. I agree with your points besides the semantics on if he has been terrible or just made mistakes. It's not a magical turnaround I don't think, but it just shows you that some players need time to adapt, and what can happen if you give enough time to quality players.
How good is he now? I think he suits a 352 perfectly
he’s had some good games, and patches of good form.
he’s Not had some linear progression where he’s now playing great football most of the time. He’s inconsistent.
far from a great player. Perhaps your definition of great and mine and very different.
Deeney and et al on Talksport are talking sensationalist bs. That criticism may have been true 2 seasons ago but not since last season. It's lazy punditry.
That might be it. I think Kante earned his reputation from functioning in a very successful side for a full season. That's what did it. I don't see any inherent issues in Fred that lets me know he can't do the same this season. To some degree I agree about his inconsistency but he has also played with different partners such as Pereira sometimes. On our team everyone has been inconsistent. I think your initial point about finding the right blend is what will help Fred earn his reputation. I think he is a great player now and the best midfielder for our setup, and I hope he proves me right believing in him.
He was brilliant and showed what he brings to the team. If only his shooting and final passing could be better he would be one of the best midfielders in europe
I think the 3-5-2 seems to suit most of our players. Helps out our defence massively and we have four very good strikers while we're still lacking a quality right winger. I'd be happy if we continued to experiment with it, especially with our tricky set of fixtures.
Its because we played a good game, we had the right balance in the team. It also gives Bruno the chance to press which a 4-2-3-1 does not allow.
We saw against PSG, Bruno led the press and Martial and Rashford pulled wide helping out. So when we were in a defensive press there was a line of 3 against their 2 and AWB and Telles were pressing the full backs not giving an option out.
We do not see this when we play a 4-2-3-1 because Rashford and Greenwood/ Mata are not very good at pressing the ball.
He still takes a few touches usually but the difference is he's much more confident/comfortable and rarely loses it when doing it now. One of the things I like best about him is his ability to drive forward with the ball. He's not very creative with his passing but he usually finds a way to break away from whoever is tracking him and get the ball to someone more creative.
Yeah, it was a very well balanced. I think two of the biggest winners Shaw and Telles, the system allowed Telles to get forward, he was almost as advanced as a winger at times, with Shaw covering and overlapping him. It covered both their weaknesses nicely. Not to mention Shaw and Tuanzebe's pace were crucial in aiding Lindelof too. I also think Wan-Bissaka benefitted from the help he received from the harder working midfield, Greenwood's very good but he struggles with his defensive duties when he's on the wing, it's part of the reason I think Wan-Bissaka's form suffered so drastically post-lockdown.
I agree, how many times did we see Neymar and Mbappe get the ball and we had 3 players swarm them. AWB was pressing their CDM at one point and McTominay was covering him.
I know McTominay is not everyone's cup of tea but he is exactly the type of player we need in them games. He may not be the most elegant on the ball but the shift he puts in is incredible. Its incredible how people still think we should have played Pogba over Mctominay when we won the game.
Greenwood needs to learn that top level football is not about going forward, you have to put a shift in, look at Mane, Salah, KDB all hard working players off the ball and world class on the ball.
Like you said, look at AWB in the last 2 games when he has had support.
What's wrong with it is generalising a player's attributes because of how things went in one single game. When Fred is not on form, his passing becomes horrendous, but I have never watched him and thought that his main issue is him needing multiple touches. That implies a bad first touch or a lack of vision, neither of which is true in his case. He moves the ball quickly and well. If he did dwell on the ball in one game, which United happened to lose 0-2, then that's as much on the team as a whole as him.
Deeney's comments are quite a naked attempt at sh*tting on a United palyer for clicks on a sh*t website. Easiet way to attention on the internet which Troy is known to chase. Followed by laughter from a player as average as Darren Bent. Sorry, they simply can't be taken seriously.
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Or... He's just saying what the tactics they employed when they played against us. Maybe they were the wrong tactics, but that's what they did.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
Well, they were, which leads to the point of my original post: Deeney is not worth listening to.
If anything, the crticism of requiring multiple touches would be more fairly aimed at Pogba, but you don't see the likes of Deeney jumping on his back. Fred is an easy target because of the ups and downs in his United career, but never in that career has requiring multiple touches been a problem.
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Brilliant. Better than Kante today.
Second consecutive games he's my MotM.
Dominated the midfield. Was a bit sloppy in the first half but absolutely brilliant in the second.
Got everywhere and tackled everything. Needs to play all the time as he’s such a great screen for our defence and also contributes to our attack.
I'm surprised he seems to be getting such high ratings. I'm normally a fan of Fred but didn't think he was particularly good today (although he also wasn't bad). His passing didn't drive us forward as much as it normally does, and he didn't seem to win the ball as often as normal. I did miss the first 20 minutes of the game though.
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