Frank Lampard

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duffer said:
He's not there to "command the dressing room". He's there because someone has to put the cones out and pick the team for the next few weeks while they pick a new manager.

What did any of the current players say which was critical of Lampard? Not calling you a liar, just don't know who said what of the current lot.

As for Everton players saying they prefer the current manager, what else are they going to say? Has any player ever said they preferred a previous manager to the current one? Even when Moyes replaced Fergie, none of the players said it was better under Sir Alex (whilst Moyes was boss).
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If he is there to just put cones out why not leave Bruno in until summer? Makes zero sense.

The Everton bunch were talking about discipline. You don’t think your dressing room needs and of that? The Athletic piece on Potter being sacked suggests otherwise and that there’s a few bad eggs knocking about. Managing a bloated squad is obviously hard but being soft isn’t really going to work as Potter found out.

@SirReginald mentioned in an other thread that Kepa, Pulisic and Kovacic had gone public on Lampard when he left and he suggested others had too.
 
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TheReligion said:
If he is there to just put cones out why not leave Bruno in until summer? Makes zero sense.

The Everton bunch were talking about discipline. You don’t think your dressing room needs and of that? The Athletic piece on Potter being sacked suggests otherwise and that there’s a few bad eggs knocking about. Managing a bloated squad is obviously hard but being soft isn’t really going to work as Potter found out.

@SirReginald mentioned in an other thread that Kepa, Pulisic and Kovacic had gone public on Lampard when he left and he suggested others had too.
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It was reported that he didn’t want to be the caretaker, presumably because he wanted to stay part of Potter’s staff. I don’t know, I think people are reading way too much into what essentially just a 45-50 day contract. We were in free fall under Potter, there’s nothing Lampard can do that would be worse than what we were getting from Potter.
 
TheReligion said:
If he is there to just put cones out why not leave Bruno in until summer? Makes zero sense.

The Everton bunch were talking about discipline. You don’t think your dressing room needs and of that? The Athletic piece on Potter being sacked suggests otherwise and that there’s a few bad eggs knocking about. Managing a bloated squad is obviously hard but being soft isn’t really going to work as Potter found out.

@SirReginald mentioned in an other thread that Kepa, Pulisic and Kovacic had gone public on Lampard when he left and he suggested others had too.
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Bruno wanted out, he only stayed for that one game as a favour.

The Everton bunch were talking up kissing their current managers arse, as all players do.

I have done a quick google search and can't find anything negative from Pulisic or Kova. Kepa did have a dig at the time but that's because Lampard dropped him for Mendy.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Depends on your definition of ‘saving the season’, surely?

5 games from glory in the CL and even without that, a shot at EL/ECL, unless you happen to believe that no Europe at all is better than those two, which is rather elitist given the league’s competitiveness and your bloated squad.
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You can call it elitist but I’d definitely rather have no Europe than qualify for the conference league.
 
WeePat said:
It was reported that he didn’t want to be the caretaker, presumably because he wanted to stay part of Potter’s staff. I don’t know, I think people are reading way too much into what essentially just a 45-50 day contract. We were in free fall under Potter, there’s nothing Lampard can do that would be worse than what we were getting from Potter.
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duffer said:
Bruno wanted out, he only stayed for that one game as a favour.

The Everton bunch were talking up kissing their current managers arse, as all players do.

I have done a quick google search and can't find anything negative from Pulisic or Kova. Kepa did have a dig at the time but that's because Lampard dropped him for Mendy.
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Sorry didn’t know that about Bruno. Odd he didn’t fancy it but that makes it more tricky and the need to get someone in quickly if he literally wouldn’t stay in post past the one game.

I definitely think it’s the right thing to take your time with the next appointment.
 
WeePat said:
You can call it elitist but I’d definitely rather have no Europe than qualify for the conference league.
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EL offers an easier route to the CL. Unless you are really confident of top 4 next season.
 
Mad how this same team won the champions league less than 2 years ago.
 
TheReligion said:
that’s what @WeePat was saying!
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The "no europe" thing has been parroted by many Chelsea fans, not just him. Gives the feeling that they are still in denial about the crisis their club is in. No europe only makes sense if they are very confident of top 4, or winning the CL. Otherwise it could mean several years out in the wild because I look at the table and I dont see them getting anywhere near top 4 next season.
 
mu4c_20le said:
The "no europe" thing has been parroted by many Chelsea fans, not just him. Gives the feeling that they are still in denial about the crisis their club is in. No europe only makes sense if they are very confident of top 4, or winning the CL. Otherwise it could mean several years out in the wild because I look at the table and I dont see them getting anywhere near top 4 next season.
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Last time we had "no europe" we won the league, partly because the players weren't knackered.

Not saying we'll win the league next year but being in the Conference league will be more of a hindrance to finishing top 4, I'm absolutely sure of that.
 
What has Fat Frank ever done to warrant the job? - He has a great track record in managerial failure
 
2 man midfield said:
Mad how this same team won the champions league less than 2 years ago.
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And then spend obscene money (£550m just this season) on top of it ending up with the same manager with whom they massively underachieved just before they won that same CL.

To say the whole situation is absolutely absurd would be understatement.
 
Conference and even Europa hardly bring you any money. CL has all the money.

Being in Europa while annoying is still somehow just ok.

But every remotely big club should try to avoid the Conference.
 
duffer said:
Last time we had "no europe" we won the league, partly because the players weren't knackered.

Not saying we'll win the league next year but being in the Conference league will be more of a hindrance to finishing top 4, I'm absolutely sure of that.
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Yeah that makes sense, ECL should never have been in the discussion at all, its just a minor trophy with no additional benefits. EL is dfferent though, you guys took it seriously 3 years ago, think you'd kill for a spot right aboutnow.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
How does it change what I said?

Before this round of fixtures, assuming Todd’s gang lose all their games, all three of Everton, Forest and Bournemouth need to pick up 12 pts from their last 9, and make up a 17 GD deficit at minimum (Everton). Now, two of them gained none with 1 less game to play.

This is a weird season with way too many teams fighting the drop, which works in their favour. It’s like a reverse title race, if you are far enough ahead with a decent gap, incredibly unlikely all of the relegation fodders suddenly pull together a 50% win rate to threaten you.
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It doesn't, just amplifies your original point. They are worse than their bad season 6 years ago or so. After the investments they made the past 2 windows, they are just as bad. Boehly may end up getting it right, but their squad is extremely bloated and their most threatening forward is a loanee.
 
2 man midfield said:
Mad how this same team won the champions league less than 2 years ago.
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Odds defying, fluky things happen in tournament football especially when that's all you realistically are playing for. That's why domestic campaigns are more of a barometer of the team.

Chelsea have been a cup team for years now.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Odds defying, fluky things happen in tournament football especially when that's all you realistically are playing for. That's why domestic campaigns are more of a barometer of the team.

Chelsea have been a cup team for years now.
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Yup. 3 league titles in 17 years. They’ve reached 3 champions league finals in that same time frame.
 
2 man midfield said:
Yup. 3 league titles in 17 years. They’ve reached 3 champions league finals in that same time frame.
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17? 17 years is an odd timeframe I suspect you've used to be as unflattering as possible.

If you do 20 then Chelsea have 5 compared to Man City's 6.

If you do 10 then we have 2 compared to Man City's 5.

Obviously we're shite at the moment, utter hot steaming garbage but if we've been a "cup team" over the past 1 or 2 decades then so has everyone else bar Man City.
 
Looking at their fixtures he’s going to come out of this looking even worse than he did going into Chelsea I can’t see many wins at all
 
Castia said:
Looking at their fixtures he’s going to come out of this looking even worse than he did going into Chelsea I can’t see many wins at all
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Thankfully for him, there is an 8 point gap down to their closest follower. I don't think it's likely that they drop much lower than where they are right now.
 
WeePat said:
You can call it elitist but I’d definitely rather have no Europe than qualify for the conference league.
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Usually i would agree but it would be a great chance to get our first trophy of the new regime (which we need before it comes a 'thing' like it did for United before this season or Arsenal circa 05-14).
 
el3mel said:
Potter got ton of chances to turn it around and the team kept on going down hill. There's no reason to continue the season with him. He totally and completely failed to get these players to perform for, or even respect him. It's his own fault that for the players he looked completely out of his depth at such level. Just look at the guy, he looks like a clown who gives zero confidence vibes. It's really his fault, not the players'.

Get a caretaker who will at the very least improve the atmosphere of the dressing room and steady the ship till Enrique arrives.
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never argued Potter shouldn't be sacked.

Didn't look like the dressing room atmosphere improved much to me...
 
duffer said:
He's not there to "command the dressing room". He's there because someone has to put the cones out and pick the team for the next few weeks while they pick a new manager.

What did any of the current players say which was critical of Lampard? Not calling you a liar, just don't know who said what of the current lot.

As for Everton players saying they prefer the current manager, what else are they going to say? Has any player ever said they preferred a previous manager to the current one? Even when Moyes replaced Fergie, none of the players said it was better under Sir Alex (whilst Moyes was boss).
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Nonsensical reasoning. You already had someone to put the cones out, so why hire Lampard?
 
duffer said:
17? 17 years is an odd timeframe I suspect you've used to be as unflattering as possible.

If you do 20 then Chelsea have 5 compared to Man City's 6.

If you do 10 then we have 2 compared to Man City's 5.

Obviously we're shite at the moment, utter hot steaming garbage but if we've been a "cup team" over the past 1 or 2 decades then so has everyone else bar Man City.
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Yeah, but these stats usually are aren’t they. Like stats that say ‘so and so have only lost 2 of the last 18 games’ - it’s because if they went back to 19 there’d be another loss in there. It works both ways too - it’s 5 titles in the last 20 years, but also 5 in the last 67 years.
 
Dancfc said:
Usually i would agree but it would be a great chance to get our first trophy of the new regime (which we need before it comes a 'thing' like it did for United before this season or Arsenal circa 05-14).
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Not bothered about that tbh. Would rather just enjoy a season of one game a week.
 
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