Dyche would make them terrible to play against.
Frank Lampard
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Beielsa 
Surely not, that'd be terrible. I think Rooney can barely keep them up
Surely not, that'd be terrible. I think Rooney can barely keep them upBielsa will be fun for the neutral but a dreadful choice for Everton. His players always drop like flies after a few months of his training regime.
Saying that, it sounds like the Everton players could do with a rocket up their backsides.
Dyche might keep them up, Bielsa they’re going to get relegated for sure. But at least they will lose every game 4-3 instead of the dire, drab rubbish they served up under Fat Spanish Waiter & The Fat Tory.
Saying that, it sounds like the Everton players could do with a rocket up their backsides.
Dyche might keep them up, Bielsa they’re going to get relegated for sure. But at least they will lose every game 4-3 instead of the dire, drab rubbish they served up under Fat Spanish Waiter & The Fat Tory.
If that's the case, fair enough, Bielsa could work out in the long term, but how are they going to have the funds to fix up that team? That is not a squad of top athletes. In fact, it's probably the most un-Bielsa-like squad in the PL. So many walking sick notes. I'm assuming they still have their issues with FFP?
They'll have to sell some 'big' names like Calvert Lewin, Pickford perhaps?
They get the parachute payments in the championship, so it's actually a decent time to sell some players on and restart at a lower budget.
You'd expect a club like Everton will pop straight back up, but this time with fresh ideas and a better mental state.
Similarly to how Newcastle managed to get themselves back together again.
Newcastle only got themselves back together because the club was sold and they were taken over by competent owners. Unless Everton sell I don't think the situations are at all comparable.
I think Lampard will be relieved to be out of that mess. It was getting nastier by the week. He needs to drop back down a level and try to start again
I’d be after Calvert lewin if he wasn’t made of biscuit
I think he’s more an arrogant tosser than a useless chancer.
Experience is only any good if you’re able to learn from it.
Despite (or maybe because of) his high IQ, Lampard has to date shown a total inability to do that.
He should go back and take some time to learn more about the tactical side of the game. I think he had an arrogance that many top players have when they become managers that they just naturally know what they need to or maybe they just think tactics aren't important. I actually think it would be a mistake to go straight back to managing another club, even at a level below. Even working as an assistant to a top manager like ETH and Arteta did could be useful and then he can try again when he has more knowledge about that side of the game.
Newcastle got promoted before the Saudis joined?
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Fair enough they did get promoted again, but they were also looking dead certs to go right back down before the takeover occurred, so they weren't exactly in a stable position. I also think the standard of PL teams has improved a lot since then tbh, particularly with teams like Brentford and Brighton recruiting effectively enough to make themselves wealthy. They no longer need to sell their players which makes it harder for poorly run clubs like Everton to continue making costly mistakes without it coming back to bite them. Burnley, Sheffield and Norwich are also a part of that yo-yo block that Everton will have to compete with, and if a team with good recruitment like Luton manages to sneak into the PL, that would mean even more competition. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Everton get to a point of no return under this ownership.
I feel like Southampton are actually best positioned to come back up due to their investment in youth. They're not strong enough this season but I think they're strong enough to potentially win the Championship and they'll have players starting to come into their early primes that they can either keep or sell on.
I think he's only shown arrogance. It's like he's decided he's going to play a certain way regardless of the players he has available or who the opposition is, and with that he's also tactically naive. I'd be surprised if he returned to management after this, but then again I'm sure uncle 'Arry has some mates somewhere that will hook him up with another PL job at some point.
Im suprised it took them so long to sack him, he's a really poor manager. Everton squad is by no means an unstoppable force but they should be doing way better.
Felt sorry for him. He should have been put out of his misery weeks ago.
He's not a good manager but I don't really agree with this either tbh. They're about where they deserve to be. Only Bournemouth and Southampton have weaker squads imo (and at least Southampton have plenty of young talent for the future). Leeds and Forest are probably comparable but I'll take the latter 2 personally. Aside from Pickford, Mina, DCL (which tbh is solely based on what he did years ago) and then maybe Onana and Coady at a push, who else in that squad is PL quality? They're all Championship standard at best.
Dyche is the right choice
If the Everton fans want that kind of football they should bring Big Duncan back!
They’ll go down under Bielsa. Doesn’t have the time to implement his system and the players are probably nowhere near the fitness level he requires.
Dyche on a 18 month contract is the best chance at staying up.
Dyche on a 18 month contract is the best chance at staying up.
It’s about staying up at this stage. Probably wouldn’t care if it’s a 442 hoofing balls to a striker if they stay up this season
Pickford, Gueye, Calvert-Lewin, Doucure, Godfrey, Mina, Gray, Onana and Iwobi are decent players if Everton go down to the championship they'll have no trouble finding teams interested in them.
They have a much better squad than Nottingham Forest, Bournemouth and Leeds.
Said names dont need him as an Assistant. Offers nothing, too big of an ego, lacking the actual technical knowledge to assist.
Most Assistant Manager are low profile technical help to the manager
He should spend 6 months with his Uncle before his next job
Article in the Telegraph this morning about how Frank did ever so well to last as long as he did, and Everton's owner is such a basketcase that poor Frank didn't have a chance. Laughable.
Bielsa.
Jesus.
Jesus.
I can imagine us signing Bielsa, he asks for two or three players, Thelwell tells him we have no money and he resigns on deadline day.
I don’t think Bielsa is the right fit, they need a manager who will sort out their defence, someone like big Sam or Dyche.
Where's big Sam nowadays?
Quaffing his pint of wine in front of a kebab.
The attack is a bigger problem than the defence. The players we have in defence are good enough to have any decent manager come in and sort it out. The problem is that our attack, midfield and defence are completely disconnected from each other leading to us being so easy to play against as we have no attacking or defensive dynamism.
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That's silly, Everton is a Premier League job, you can get a quality coach or a really good international manager and risk it. Someone ugly and boring like Unai Emery but a good tactical coach. Have to look outside England, but there are even young guys like De Zerbi who are well respected for their work in mid-table, like foreign versions of Eddie Howe.
At first I thought it was too risky, but after thinking it over, they have a midfield with good mobility and a target man, and those are the basic requirements for a Bielsa team. Need a new CB who can run or Godfrey to get it together, but it would suit their front 6 and probably the Ukranian LB and Pickford.
The betting favorites are Dyche and Bielsa, but they're probably 2 signings away from Bielsa working out, whereas Dyche might work right away with McNeil and Gray wide behind Maupay/Gordon and Calvert-Lewin and I guess you could play Iwobi as a #10 and no 2nd striker, or even at RB. Or you sell Iwobi while his value is up and buy a quality RB and a #6/8 to backup Onana and Gueye, probably someone who can pass a bit since you're starved for creativity.
The board haven't shown that they're interested in managers outside of England which is why pretty much every manager we have hired since Moyes aside from Ancelotti has had EPL recency bias.
It's Mykolenko who has been rubbish this year in terms of our full backs. Patterson is good enough if he can shake off his injuries.
Anyway, let's try move discussion to the Everton thread regarding a new manager and the side and leave this to discussing Frank.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/everton-2022-23-relegation.471316/page-8
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/everton-2022-23-relegation.471316/page-8
Why did they put him in that pose when the news is about him getting sacked?
Should have picked one where he was getting tackled (in pain or crying), fits the occasion better. Amateurs.
Incoming Rooney to finish the season in a beauty bottom position?
At present, PL survival is at stake though. Not sure they have the squad to play Bielsa's style and will likely get hammered a fair few times playing that way. Interesting to see Corberan emerging as a contended when that was purely off the top of my head.
I agree they’d probably go down with Bielsa in charge. The point I was trying to make was if you look at what Dyche did at Burnley, shit football with limited players albeit he kept them in the Prem, there’s only so long Everton fans would put up with that for and when they got tired of it they’d be left in the same state Burnley was left in, needing a complete rebuild with few saleable players. Dyche feels like a short term fix, they’d just be kicking the can down the road.
I think Dyche would have top be a short term appointment - maybe with a large bonus for keeping them in the league. Whether he would accept that is another consideration. Everton really cannot afford to go down as they're already struggling with FFP - that said, they aren't too far off safety despite how woeful they've been.
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