Forlan

charlenefan

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Serious question;

Should Fergie bring him back to OT? Not only on tonight's performance but the one against France, the one against Fulham and basically his all round form and goal scoring since he left us has surely put him in the World Class category?

I know it wont happen but right now I would love to see old Diego back in the red shirt

*by the way I'm under no delusion that had he stayed with us he'd of gone on to have the career he's had and fully understand he's gone on to better things because he left us in the first place&
 
Fergie rarely links himself with a player he already sold. I dont think he ever will. We already have too many strikers. I dont see the point in Fergie buying Javier Hernandez when we already have Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf in our reserves. I hope he sells a couple and makes some transfer money. We already have SIX strikers.
 
He'd cost around the £20m mark and we're not going to pay that for a 31 year old.

Nice to see he's getting his recognition though, he was amazingly good in 08/09, and excellent in pretty much every other season in Spain. Last season was probably his worst which says a lot about his consistency.
 
He is world class. Match winner in so many big, big games in the last 12 months. Has added so much creativity to his game as well as the goals.

But it won't happen.
 
As much as I would love, it won't happen, he's 31 and wouldn't really be worth the year or two he'd spend here. He's pretty much going out with a flurry.
 
Would love to see him back at OT to lay to rest the flop tag.But because of his age he's not seen as Value any more.
 
actually at 31 he might be the right age if the price is right for him (which it probably wont be) because he probably only has another couple of seasons in him before welbeck mecheda and hernandez are ready to step up
 
Well if were getting our old players back, how about that Ronaldo fella, he still looks good on the ball.
 
gambit28 said:
Well if were getting our old players back, how about that Ronaldo fella, he still looks good on the ball.
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yea except hed probably cost a few, forlans old, maybe we could cut them a deal (maybe somehwere in dream land)
 
Mombi said:
Selling Forlan and Pique were one of Fergies biggest managerial mistakes!!
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Forlan barely ever scored and Pique was no where near the first team and wanted out. How are they mistakes?
 
Alex99 said:
Forlan barely ever scored and Pique was no where near the first team and wanted out. How are they mistakes?
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This.

Alex is spot on here. It would have been hard to keep Forlan to be honest, even most fans wanted rid to be fair... And if he had stayed there is no guarantee that his performances would have improved.

Pique is another matter. He wasn't happy with the way things were going. Rightly so. He deserves games. I think he is overrated by the vast majority on here though. Good player yes, but Evans easily has the potential to be as good if not better.
 
Brwned said:
He'd cost around the £20m mark and we're not going to pay that for a 31 year old.

Nice to see he's getting his recognition though, he was amazingly good in 08/09, and excellent in pretty much every other season in Spain. Last season was probably his worst which says a lot about his consistency.
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Why around the £20 million mark? He's 31, those kinds of fees arent paid for players his age when they arent the most high profile players in the world. And if he told Atletico he was dead set on leaving that would push the price down lower too. They'd have done well to get around £15 million for him at his age.
 
Myxomatosis said:
He is world class. Match winner in so many big, big games in the last 12 months. Has added so much creativity to his game as well as the goals.

But it won't happen.
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And he was always world class and aside from his career with us, has always scored cracking goals in the biggest of matches. There was that cracking volley from 25 odd yards in a previous world cup that I remember.

For whatever reason, i never happened for him with us. I think it has alot to do with the bizarre amount of time it took him to score his first goal. It never came quickly and soon, it became a noose around his neck, the press and fans got on his back, the pressure built and it became abit of a joke. I think it was 30 odd games before he scored his first goal.

Its great to see him doing so well and him having the strength to put that set back behind him and show his obvious talent in a league that better suits his style of play.
 
He came to us too ealy on, its as simple as that. If he'd have gone to Villarreal before coming to us, he'd have come good. But he went straight from Argentina to the premier league and Manchester United and the step was too much for a fairly young Forlan, at least at the start. Ajax to Manchester United is a similar leap so hopefully we'll leave his strike partner alone.
 
Mombi said:
Selling Forlan and Pique were one of Fergies biggest managerial mistakes!!
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I don't see it that way. Unluckily for both parties, it was just not meant to be. Forlan had to leave us to further hsi career, we needed to sell him because he was uncapable of delivering for us. I dont think if he'd have stayed 2 more seasons that anything would have changed.

As an aside, lets pretend that it might have been different if he'd stayed ..... well Berbatov has been far more successful in his 2 years than Forlan was and look at the stick and lack of support that he gets from fans. Its all very well to say things in hindsight, its the opinions that you have during the hard times that count.
 
Ekeke said:
He came to us too early on, its as simple as that. If he'd have gone to Villarreal before coming to us, he'd have come good. But he went straight from Argentina to the premier league and Manchester United and the step was too much for a fairly young Forlan, at least at the start. Ajax to Manchester United is a similar leap so hopefully we'll leave his strike partner alone.
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I think you might be right there, he had to do alot of growing up and in a strange country with a marked different culture, both professionally as well as socially. And when you thrown in the early lack of goals, dealing with that kind of pressure requires a degree of experience and maturity even at the best of times.
 
sammsky1 said:
I think you might be right there, he had to do alot of growing up and in a strange country with a marked different culture, both professionally as well as socially. And when you thrown in the early lack of goals, dealing with that kind of pressure requires a degree of experience and maturity even at the best of times.
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Exactly. And if he'd gone to a decent european league and proven his abilities as a goalscorer, then signed for us when his confidence was high, I dont think he'd have gone 8 games without scoring nevermind the 40 odd. Some players rise through the levels extremely quickly, Forlan was simply unable to do it for us. But at a lesser club with much less pressure as they got him so cheap, he was able to build himself back up and become a great striker.
 
He's played both France and South Africa on his own, and got 4 points....I'd welcome him back in no time. Won't happen though.
 
Ekeke said:
Exactly. And if he'd gone to a decent european league and proven his abilities as a goalscorer, then signed for us when his confidence was high, I dont think he'd have gone 8 games without scoring nevermind the 40 odd. Some players rise through the levels extremely quickly, Forlan was simply unable to do it for us. But at a lesser club with much less pressure as they got him so cheap, he was able to build himself back up and become a great striker.
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The vast majority of those games were sub appearances, usually where we were winding down and the game was already won. There was also a complication in the system, where everything went through Ruud, and Diego didn't see much of the ball
 
The fact he's such a cult legend here despite his terrible record speaks volumes...he was never a bad player, in fact he always worked really well for the team (it isn't all the 'Pool and Chelsea goals)....he just couldn't score that much.
 
Boss said:
Straight swap for Berbatov.
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:lol: I'd take that, that's for sure. Someone said selling Forlan was one Fergie's biggest managerial mistakes, that not true at all. Signing Berbatov could possibly become one, unless he has a brainstormer next year.

Forlan would be perfect for us right now and I'm not a huge fan. Would fit in both a 4-4-2 and a 4-3-3 as well. He's not world class IMO, but probably in the notch below which is pretty darn good all things considered.
 
It wasn't a mistake by Fergie... in all honesty he wasn't that much of a great player while he was with us and his games gone up to another level. Hindsight taken to an inappropriate degree in this regard.
 
kietotheworld said:
Er...because within a couple of years of leaving they were both among the best in Europe in their positions.
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I seemed to have missed the time when Fergie revealed his power to predict the future, apologies.
 
Raees said:
It wasn't a mistake by Fergie... in all honesty he wasn't that much of a great player while he was with us and his games gone up to another level. Hindsight taken to an inappropriate degree in this regard.
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Maybe, but letting him go for £1 million was never close to a good idea.
 
sammsky1 said:
..... well Berbatov has been far more successful in his 2 years than Forlan was and look at the stick and lack of support that he gets from fans. Its all very well to say things in hindsight, its the opinions that you have during the hard times that count.
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Needing a goal in a big game I would always prefer our old Diego, for all his shortcomings, than our current Berbatov on the pitch. He just doesn't cut it against quality opposition, while Diego always was the complete opposite.
 
antohan said:
Needing a goal in a big game I would always prefer our old Diego, for all his shortcomings, than our current Berbatov on the pitch. He just doesn't cut it against quality opposition, while Diego always was the complete opposite.
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Yep. Forlan scored against Liverpool and a couple of late winners against Chelsea. That will definitely endear him more to the fans than say a winner against Boro.
 
Alex99 said:
I seemed to have missed the time when Fergie revealed his power to predict the future, apologies.
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:wenger: One can only accurately judge whether something was a mistake or not with the benefit of hindsight. If I go out and bet my life savings on Spain to win the World Cup and they don't win it, it was a very big mistake, if they do, it was a great decision. If Ferguson had the power to accurately predict the future he wouldn't make any mistakes, would he?
 
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