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Flamini
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Should have never left Arsenal. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
If anyone can get him to the level he showed in his last season at Arsenal, they'd have one of the best freebies in recent times.
He won the league title with AC Milan. What have Arsenal won since he left?
How many games did he play?
Where is Hleb by the way? Both players looking like eejits now
That's the price you pay for playing with a bigger club. I guess that Park would have played more if he played with Swansea rather then Manchester United.
Park has played plenty for us in his time here, and contributed well enough. Flamini with Milan however is a different story. I thought at the time it would be a good move for him
Last I saw of him he was on loan from Barca to Birmingham. Dont know where he's at now though.
Him and Flamini shouldn't have left Arsenal. With them two and Fabregas in their midfield, Arsenal might have won something. But himdsight is 20-20, and tbf it would be hard to turn down Barca and Milan.
Flamini went to compete for a first team place with the likes of Gattuso, Ambrosini and Pirlo. It was always going to be an uphill battle for him. However you cant blame the guy for wanting medals dont you?
He played a decent amount of games for them. Made it to a 100. He got injured last summer that ruled him out for the whole summer.
I reckon he won't have too hard of a time to get a club. Back to Arsenal?
I reckon he won't have too hard of a time to get a club. Back to Arsenal?
He would be a good pickup for the likes of Swansea or any of the promoted clubs, doubt they can afford the wages he wants though. If Harry was still at Spurs, i bet my last dollar he would snap him up in a matter of days
I agree with this. I hope he makes an EPL return.
Hefty price for a professional 'footballer' one must say, not playing games that is.
Price is even more hefty when you consider he went from becoming one of the best DM in the world, to that guy who won a medal being a redundant at AC Milan.
Also you can say it cost his France national team spot.
He played 22 times in the championship winning side for Milan. That aint bad. More than half. Would he be better off playing 38 games but winning bugger all?
Stinks of a QPR signing to me.
If he was on his way to becoming the best DM in the world, he would of played at AC
Its the price any player risks to pay, if he wants to play with a big club. At that level, there's no guarantee for a first team place and one bad turn can ruin a player's career.
United are renowned throughout the world for being one of the most decent clubs in the world, however even our club had made casualties in the past. Players like Taibi, Bosnich and PIG has seen their career go to the dogs after signing with us. I wont dare putting Berba in the same sack however I wouldn't be wrong in saying that at United, the Bulgarian ended up from a 30m rated striker into a 4th choice striker. Certainly that would have never happened if he had remained with Spurs. However he would have won feck all has he remained there. Same as Flamini!
I remember one of Teddy's old interviews (pre treble). With United set to bring Yorke + Coley/Ole banging goals for fun, questions were raised on whether Teddy regretted leaving Spurs. Sheringham was a living legend there and for all we knew he could have ended up in the traditional 4th striker position, playing against the likes of Torquay in the league cup (few could predict SAF's idea of rotating his four strikers for maximum benefit back then). However he still insisted that his decision to risk it all by signing with us was right. The reason he gave was that he couldn't allow himself to retire without having at least some tangible proof of him being successful in football. You can't blame him about that can you?
They both won titles at their respective clubs but in bit part roles off the bench mainly. Never hit the heights they hit at Arsenal and just like Nasri after a bit of a purple patch couldn't wait to jump on a nice fat paycheck.....
Know if he's been any good? Probably sounds mental, but even though I'm guessing Flamini is nowhere near the level that he was at during his last year at Arsenal, United could very much do with a signing along these lines just in case Carrick gets injured. I'm guessing his wages would not be astronomical, and it would at least add depth to a position we desperately need some cover in.
If he's been absolutely shite then never mind, but if he's done a job for Milan in those 22 games, then for no transfer cost it doesn't seem too bad an idea to me. This is assuming we don't sign someone much better, mind.
All your post is suggesting is that Flamini's decision back-fired and eventually turned out to be a wrong decision.
No one remembers a squad player.
Even if he wins a title.
No one will remember Kalou, but everyone remembers Alan Shearer.
Flamini will always be remembered for his stint with Arsenal, not as Scudetto winner.
Playing 7 games and win a title is a hollow achievement, no matter how you frame it.
He won FA cup with us.
He played in CL Final.
He was starting member of 07-08 season which competed for title and lost out by 4 points.
Had he stayed, probably we would have won sonething.
He won the league with AC Milan, where he 'appeared' 22 times, he started just 14, varying between LB or CM and never was an influential menber of the squad.
I am sure Flamini is well proud of his Milan career.
I'm sure a player would rather win titles than be remembered.When you're a pro footballer, it's all about the titles then the recognition but if you can't win titles, recognition is meaningless
That's the kind of logic fans carry this days.
No one watches the player play, just come up with the conclusion.
Tell that to Hleb.
CL winner, La Liga winner, and probably something else as well.
"Of course it is my fault I left Arsenal but this has happened.
"Not a lot of players say no to Barcelona but if I had known before what would happen of course I wouldn't have gone.
"I won the UEFA Champions League with Barcelona in 2009 but I didn't play a lot. I lost a bit of my form and confidence.”
If you win without playing, the win is meaningless.
Hleb was a fecking idiot.Flamini got involved with AC Milan a lot more as he knew knowing his ability and the AC Milan team, he'd get playing and a bigger chance of winning a trophy.
Hleb thought he was too good to go to Barca, Flamini would have played more if he hadn't struggled with injuries.
No matter how you look at it, Flamini made a good decision to leave Arsenal as he'd have still been trophy less if he stayed.
Two different situations, Flamini played for Milan.It's not as if he was kept on the bench like Hleb
Hleb thought he was too good to go to Barca, Flamini would have played more if he hadn't struggled with injuries.
No matter how you look at it, Flamini made a good decision to leave Arsenal as he'd have still been trophy less if he stayed.
Two different situations, Flamini played for Milan.It's not as if he was kept on the bench like Hleb
However, Flamini left for AC Milan, because he was an AC Milan fan since childhood.
Just like Ronaldo & Real Madrid.
Regarding Medals, he did win FA Cup with us. He left in 2008, only been 3 years since FA cup win & 2 years since CL finals, and that year we competed for the title.
Arsenal's barren run was not evident back then.
"Only been " three years is where the difference is Trionz, as a fan of the club you might be more patient but as a pro player who isn't necessarily attached to the club, it can be a long time.Once you taste a trophy, you just want more.
Three years without a trophy was understandably too long to wait for him.
Three years without a trophy was understandably too long to wait for him.
Oh we are defining exceptions now, are we?
Someone above suggested it was an uphill task considering there were Gattuso, Pirlo and Ambrossini already there. Also Seedorf.
But okay, Flamini is not an idiot because he had faith in his abilities; but Hleb can't believe in his abilities because?
Barca squad back at start of 2008 was just getting moulded, there was no Pedro in that squad, Henry was played out wide, Barca were facing 3 barren years.
But somehow Hleb is an idiot & Flamini is not; because he played whole 65 times in 4years.
Even when Flamini was fit, he wasn't first choice.
Often shifted to LB.
No matter what the fact is, you guys are not able to comprehend the attention factor, when the said player is gifted a trophy he doesn't deserve.
Too long for someone like Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Ronaldo, Messi, Sneijder, Fabregas, Schweinsteiger, Ribbery, Ozil, Alonso, Pique, Puyol, Villa, Drogba, Iniesta.
Not fecking Flaminis & Hlebs of this world.
One season of good form doesn't guarantee them that luxury.
The truth is we wanted to get rid of him in his pen-ultimate season, but couldn't find a club for him & hence didn't offer a contract extension; because he was average.
He turned out to be good in his final season.
He left, i can understand if he is pissed or something or AC Milan was his dream club; but to say he left for medals, is bollox.
That player doesn't deserve the '3 years without trophy is not acceptable for me' excuse.
After all, he was part of that 3 years, he is the culprit.
You kind of agree with me, don't you?
Infact, more i think about it.
Any proud footballer will never think like this. If he does, he is just weak & inferior.
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"I don't like people talking to me about the Champions League. It wasn't me, but my team that won," he said.
"When [Salomon] Kalou put the cup on my lap in the bus I asked him to take it away immediately. I didn't want to touch it because just as with the Champions League I had no part in it at all," he told De Standaard newspaper.
- Lukaku.
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After all how exciting is it to tell your kids, about how amazing was it to watch Aguero win the league, from that comfortable expensive Bench, while having a sip of Gatorade.
Why ? After all aren't they all players ? Don't they have high ambition ? Not being as good as some of the best in the world doesn't mean one shouldn't still have a high ambition.
The way you perceive Flamini and how his aspirations aren't the same with how he wanted to conduct his career.It's not an issue of whether this or that player would deserve to win a title, "deserving to win a title" is such a fake concept because there are plenty of average players who get to win great trophies throughout their careers.Why would Flamini be any different to them ?
We're all speculating anyway.
A player would prefer to win titles than nothing as long as he's involved in getting those titles in some way.Flamini played a part in Milan winning the Serie A.It's much better than to have stayed at Arsenal , play more and win nothing
First of all, the argument that Flamini left for medals is bollox, because he didn't.
Secondly, if he did, the primary ambition of a player is to become a better player.
If you are telling me, it is to win trophies & be a part-player who doesn't get to improve his abilities, then that's just plain fecked up.
Once you are a better player, you deserve to throw tanturms like Rooney did when he feared there will be trophyless seasons ahead.
Once you are a better player, you can flirt with all the clubs to have an option.
It's not me, who perceives a players ambition wrongly kouroux, it is you who is doing that by saying a player doesn't wish to play & become a better player; it's all good, if he ends up with a trophy.
Many of those average players don't have the option to be regular for Arsenal.
Humans like recognition, Kouroux.
Footballers are no different.
Take Gerrard, He may win loads with Barcelona, but he is a Legend with Liverpool.
Recognition come with added benefit....More Money.
What have Flamini endorsed so far?
Walcott is a brand endorser despite winning nothing.
Yann M'vila is Nike sponsored, despite winning nothing.
I am sure Owen loved his time at Liverpool, despite winning more with United.
Recognition is a huge motivator.
It is a motivator but if it's deprived of winning trophies then I'm sure the player will know something is missing in his career.After winning a trophy is also a sign of recognition and if you play a part in it it's even better.
Winning a trophy is the ultimate form of recognition, if you're a winner then you're only making your image, your endorsements better for you.
Not winning a trophy for a while as an Arsenal fan is tough, I get it but players would prefer to get their recognition by winning trophies rather than having a stagnating career
Winning a trophy is the ultimate form of recognition, if you're a winner then you're only making your image, your endorsements better for you.
Not winning a trophy for a while as an Arsenal fan is tough, I get it but players would prefer to get their recognition by winning trophies rather than having a stagnating career
I'm speculating unlike you who seem so sure of Flamini's intention at the time.Who are you to know for sure why Flamini left Arsenal ? Here is a reality check, not every footballer live in this Arsenal fantasy world of yours.They all have their reasons, right and wrong ones.
Saying Flamini should have stayed at Arsenal only to win feck all is one thing but the player himself might have another opinion the subject.
I'm just surprised you seem so sure of his reasons
winning trophies by being a part-not really required-player, my friend.
You keep forgetting that.
No, they don't get endorsements. They are just average, who cares about them kinda players.
You keep forgetting that.
No, they don't get endorsements. They are just average, who cares about them kinda players.
never said that.
I am quite sure.
He left as free agent, when he was at Marseille as well.
That's just how he goes about his career.