What an obnoxious post.
Finishing 3rd, 33 points off PL winners, and no Trophy (yet) is utter rubbish and shouldn't be celebrated...
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I get the sentiment about not settling for third and striving for better but I'm not sure who from the club has. Ole certainly didn't say that and the interview with Bruno and Maguire made it clear the players realise they need to do more. I've not seen wild celebrations on the pitch and I've not seen them off it. In view of that I'm not really sure where @Rhyme Animal is coming from with the emotive "utter rubbish" aspect of OP. It's clearly underpinning some other views he has in my opinion.
If Moyes was our manager this season, he would have gotten us into the champions league.
We have been poor and the champions league accomplishments hides that. We must win the Europa league to make up for such a poor showing covered up by the brilliance of MMM, var and Bruno fernandes. With perhaps some recognition to our defense who didn’t do such a bad job either.
We have been poor and the champions league accomplishments hides that. We must win the Europa league to make up for such a poor showing covered up by the brilliance of MMM, var and Bruno fernandes. With perhaps some recognition to our defense who didn’t do such a bad job either.
1st bolded - That doesn't make your guess any less incorrect. What if you were told Pogba would be injured?
2nd bolded - That's an irrelevant analogy regardless. You are talking about an event that has a binary outcome.
If you expected to not even medal in a race, and you ended up on the podium, you would "celebrate" despite not winning.
if you expected to get a C on an exam, and you ended up getting a B, you would "celebrate" despite not getting an A.
It's really simple.
No he wouldn't.
Comparing points totals across seasons, especially one from 6 years ago is so stupid.
No mate - he would not.
The fact that being 9th in December behind a series of clubs (two had their managers sacked) is actually a warning sign for us. The good thing is, Ole has the board's full support (proved as the right decision) and is privileged to spend an additional 60m in January, and of course he has managed to turn it around; but on the other side of the story we've got to wonder how he put our team in that situation after investing 150m in the summer.
Call me pessimistic but behind the recent good run of form, there are problems that need to be addressed. de Gea is still on a ridiculous contract and he is obviously on the decline. Maguire's weaknesses are becoming more and more exposed. Our squad depth isn't good enough and we have to stick to our lineup because we can't afford to rotate. Everything looks so positive right now but I can assure you these problems aren't easy to fix.
Speaking of context, many seem to forget we need others to drop points to climb up the table, besides from getting points ourselves. Leicester and Sheffield have been suffering from different crises since the restart (probably due to the tight schedule) and this does us a lot of favor. Maddison and Chilwell have been out for some time while Soyuncu has been suspended for the last few games, and these are certainly big blows for them.
I'm not sure why you're saying we lack focus on the academy though. Rashford and Greenwood both came through in the post-Fergie era and they are the best homegrown talent we've had since the Class of 92. Only Fletcher came close to them in the meantime.Thank you! That was nice of you to say
Is Moyes codename for Poch in this context
Come on mate, again? Are you not tired?
1st half of the season: we have 28 pts only, and are 8th. Liverpool is at 55 pts = 27 pts from the top.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/pre...le/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2019&min=1&max=19
2nd half of the season: we have 38 pts, and are 3rd. Liverpool is at 44 pts = 6 pts from the top.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/pre...e/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2019&min=20&max=38
And we can show various trends that would put us 1st after lockdown return for example.
The point is, the team has evolved and it's not just a matter of Bruno because Bruno without a system ready to have him doesn't work.
We are making good progress, the consistency will be to reproduce the latest 14 games form into a whole season.
But we are in an upward trend with a momentum.
Chelsea stayed the same all year around. If things continues this way next season, you know where United will be, and it's much higher than Chelsea, potentially higher than City.
Of course, if we want to play it safe, we could give ourselves one more year, but I think we can be surprised if the recruitment is right.
I'm sure no one said that, or at least the majority didn't, in the context of the club's ambitions looking forward. Also, who did not say "must do better next time" as the post says? Almost everyone here either says directly or implies that we hopefully we compete for the title next season. If you want statistical evidence, please do a poll. It is not mutually exclusive to say that and feel happy at what we are seeing now. Your post as a whole is pretty tone deaf actually.
The recent bouts of celebration and excitement is clearly an expression of optimism after finally seeing some semblance of team cohesiveness, positive attitude, attacking play and transfer success in the second half of the season. For me, I've never seen that since Fergie's retirement in a Utd team for a sustained period.
Mourinho's second place finish and Europa league win was definitely a stronger achievement, but the cause for optimism at that time was merely hoping for some Mourinho magic the season after. The on pitch game play and the squad chemistry, at least for me, never gave much enthusiasm.
I don't worry about Ole's plight overcoming the ambitions of the club. Rightfully, we saw Ole's job in danger when results were not up to the mark. And it will be next season too, if the success on pitch is not sustained.
For now, I am just enjoying the football on the pitch after a very looonngg time and hope Ole's able to push the team to the next level. Else the manager merry go-round continues and the mediocrity continues for longer.
Ok, lets just be miserable and pretend nothing happened then?
No one is celebrating the fact we got 3rd. Everyone is celebrating the fact it is a huge step towards the destination we want to be heading. It is a step towards progressing back to our glory days. The outcome of the season had a huge bearing on where our club would be heading for the next 4/5 years. It was quite possibly a crossroad of better times or more crap going forward like we've had the last 6 years.
So, yes absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating "progress". If we are only ever going to celebrate lifting a premier league or champions league trophy, then we might as well sack football off because there isn't much to get excited about.
Lets not forget Klopps first season where he got the whole team to celebrate drawing at home to West Ham 2-2. Because Klopp knew it was a step towards a better place. He took the whole team to the Kop End to celebrate the comeback with the fans. Everyone thought it was strange at the time. The rest is history...
No one is celebrating the fact we got 3rd. Everyone is celebrating the fact it is a huge step towards the destination we want to be heading. It is a step towards progressing back to our glory days. The outcome of the season had a huge bearing on where our club would be heading for the next 4/5 years. It was quite possibly a crossroad of better times or more crap going forward like we've had the last 6 years.
So, yes absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating "progress". If we are only ever going to celebrate lifting a premier league or champions league trophy, then we might as well sack football off because there isn't much to get excited about.
Lets not forget Klopps first season where he got the whole team to celebrate drawing at home to West Ham 2-2. Because Klopp knew it was a step towards a better place. He took the whole team to the Kop End to celebrate the comeback with the fans. Everyone thought it was strange at the time. The rest is history...
We got more points, scored more goals, and conceded less than that season anyway.
I could explain why this is a great finish for us in context of what's happened this season, but I'll just say that this is such a weird and unnecessary post. Who gives a feck that other supporters are happy about something? Why does that bother you so much? What the feck is the point of sports if not for moments of enjoyment?
I get the point of discourse on a forum and all but this is just weirdo behavior. Smile a little.
I get the point of discourse on a forum and all but this is just weirdo behavior. Smile a little.
Primarily recruitment to the academy that has been lacking. The club shifted quite a few gears the last year and half and recruited solid talent from all over, latest out is Marc Jurado from Barcelona. Academy players being given gametime has been more noticeable this season as well.
On that note:
To underscore the difference between a club like Manchester United and say, Manchester City:
Mancester United's senior team has over 40% of its players defined as "home grown". - We rank #1 in Europe, and that defines why the academy is such an integral part of this club. It's simply not Manchester United without an enormous focus on the continued development of the academy.
In comparison Manchester City has 12.5% home grown players. They are the very definition of a buying club in Europe. Even PSG have more home grown players than City.
Makes his post even more fecking idiotic then.
he couldnt even get them into europa league mate
Moyes couldn't even get the reigning PL champions into the champions league spots
. But he needed time and all that jazzYep.
This season we have finished with more points than Moyes' season...
2 more points.
Just sound like an angry human having a rant for the sake of having a rant
And yet, I've received more anger than I've expressed myself...
I stand by my points. I love Utd and want what's best for the club. But different people have different opinions on things. No big deal.
Oh for feck sake.
So what's your point?
We won the League in 1997 with 75 points, were you sat there going hmmm well in 1986 75 points would have only got us 5th place so celebrating this title is utter rubbish.
You trying to say Moyes did as good a job as Ole has?
You're an embarrassment.
Apart from ABUs and Non-United , how is it not obvious to fans that we celebrate the progress we have seen from the team and not the 3rd position? Progress in the playing style, players attitudes, effectiveness of signings, bounce back ability etc. are there to be seen, compared to what we were served the previous seasons post-Fergie.
Yes, a remarkable and mighty 2 point more in terms of league standings and goal scored. That is barely impressive
. We did much better in defending though, but Moyes did not have £130m to spend on defenders. Instead, he had an aging defense with no support from the board.Moyes with the team would have gotten us in the champions league because the path was easier this season than it was back then. People underestimate how good our current team is and most decent managers would have gotten them to top four.
Not sure what to make of OP.
In some ways he/she has a point. Being Man Utd and 33 points behind you can certainly argue valid point. Probably more a case of relief to most of us fans. Not that we need CL football to attract the best players but it certainly doesn't do our great club any harm.
Taking into account what we save with our shirt suppliers and revenue coming in with CL football you'd think we might just be able to spend a little bit more in the summer transfer market, hers hoping anyway.
Let's not forget we still have the Europa Cup to play so might not be that bad of a season if we can lift this. It's never been a favourite competition of mine as simply far to many games and can effect winning ( IMO) the holy grail of football the Premier League.
Not that it's needed now but having a CL place up for grabs in the last couple of years has given the competition more stature.
COME ON YOU REDS.
In some ways he/she has a point. Being Man Utd and 33 points behind you can certainly argue valid point. Probably more a case of relief to most of us fans. Not that we need CL football to attract the best players but it certainly doesn't do our great club any harm.
Taking into account what we save with our shirt suppliers and revenue coming in with CL football you'd think we might just be able to spend a little bit more in the summer transfer market, hers hoping anyway.
Let's not forget we still have the Europa Cup to play so might not be that bad of a season if we can lift this. It's never been a favourite competition of mine as simply far to many games and can effect winning ( IMO) the holy grail of football the Premier League.
Not that it's needed now but having a CL place up for grabs in the last couple of years has given the competition more stature.
COME ON YOU REDS.
Yes, a remarkable and mighty 2 point more in terms of league standings and goal scored. That is barely impressive
Moyes with the team would have gotten us in the champions league because the path was easier this season than it was back then.
Dearie dearie me
Some of you have taken us making top 4 really badly.
Even though I agree the team has evolved in second half of season and we have higher potential than Chelsea imo, Liverpool have dropped in performance after they secured the league title and lost 8 points in the last 7 matches, beside I can't see anyway we'll be higher than City comes next season. They'll never be this inconsistent again, and I'm fully confident they'll win the league next season.
So being a close 3rd should be good enough for us next season. If we can push closer to Liverpool and City in top 2 it'll be a good enough season in the league.
It's not a party like celebration, more like mild celebration...rejoice that we're back on good merit.
cheer up. No need to force people to join your negative camp...
cheer up. No need to force people to join your negative camp...
Point is that this season is 2 points better than Moyes', don't get angry because you don't like that fact.
And learn some manners and a bit of class while you're at it.
Is that you Roy?
You're being spoken to the way you deserve for the shite you're posting.
Mate are you high.
As are you.
Since the January window closed our form has been brilliant. It has been a season of two halves, and the second half of it is definitely worth celebrating, considering how dead in the water we looked at that time. If we'd kept up our post-January form throughout the season we would have finished on 87 points. That's on par with what we used to manage under Fergie.
But some people on here seem to be deathly allergic to optimism and positivity.
But some people on here seem to be deathly allergic to optimism and positivity.
sounds like you’d argue black is white
If we win the Europa League then it hasn't been too bad. We're still rebuilding.
Well most seem to agree your posts are terrible so that's fine with me.
It's been a long tough season with some massive low points and to end up 3rd place and still in with a chance of of a trophy is better than anyone could have hoped for at various points this season. People are upbeat and optimistic about the future.
I think you've made a fool of yourself by doubling down on your initial stupid post and that's why you're getting so much stick.
Read back through the thread again when you've calmed down. Plenty in here agree with me.
Have a good day, mate. And take it easy.
Once you start to bring in David Moyes to bash Ole and this season you sort of out yourself as being daft.
I will take it easy my friend, and you try and cheer the feck up a bit eh