Likewise, since before Fergie, we'll agree to disagree...
Though out of interest, how many goals have you scored for Utd?
Finishing 3rd, 33 points off PL winners, and no Trophy (yet) is utter rubbish and shouldn't be celebrated...
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Likewise, since before Fergie, we'll agree to disagree...
Though out of interest, how many goals have you scored for Utd?
We saw progression within the squad and alot of players. We are happy and celebrating because the progression can be also seen by our finishing spot which has been one of the best post SAF. Furthermore we finishing in CL allows us to buy players we may not be able to convince to join us.
No team wins the premiership on their first year unless they are given bucket loads of money. SAF'S period is long gone - if people think SAF's results are coming back with that consistency and that's what makes you support this club then its probably time you start looking for another club to support.
Just pure rubbish trying to act like you are the best fans in the world for acknowledging that united are not up to their standards.
Yet people will ride Sancho's d**k all season whilst not celebrating when we can attract such players?
No team wins the premiership on their first year unless they are given bucket loads of money. SAF'S period is long gone - if people think SAF's results are coming back with that consistency and that's what makes you support this club then its probably time you start looking for another club to support.
Just pure rubbish trying to act like you are the best fans in the world for acknowledging that united are not up to their standards.
Yet people will ride Sancho's d**k all season whilst not celebrating when we can attract such players?
What are these celebrations @Rhyme Animal ?
Pathetic thread.
I've seen elated relief that we've secured UCL and genuine optimism for the future.
These celebrations you talk of are all in your head, born from a sense of entitlement, bitterness and a superiority complex.
I've seen elated relief that we've secured UCL and genuine optimism for the future.
These celebrations you talk of are all in your head, born from a sense of entitlement, bitterness and a superiority complex.
What’s the point in this thread.
No one is celebrating.
However, this season has been encouraging. We have a very young squad, our transfers have been very good, we have got rid of crap like Valencia, Fellaini, Lukuku and Young. Shipped out pointless players like Rojo and Sanchez, and hopefully finally get rid of them this summer - and we are getting our identity back.
Under previous managers we have shifted from one philosophy to another, and just bought vanity purchase players with no idea of how they will fit into the team.
This season is a man excellent platform to build off of, that’s why I’m encouraged and for the first time able to look into next season with lots of enthusiasm.
Alternatively let’s just sack the manager and bring in some overplayed players with stinking attitudes - that’s worked well over the past 5 years.
Likely imo.
Or probably a time traveller here. He or she must has come right away from May 2013.
Some posters on here seem so disappointed that they can't scream OLE OUT today like they were planning.
I can certainly deny that. The last few games we've looked out on our feet, ponderous and liable to make a shite defensive error at any time.
The point for me is that even with those problems we've come through, closed some pretty huge points gaps and got away with the best finish we could have hoped for when the season started. And to all those who say 'standards have dropped unacceptably at this club if third is the best we could have achieved' you must be gutted to the point of deep soul-sucking depression with how we've gone on post-Fergie if you haven't adjusted your expectations at all from being one of the greatest teams in the world. The cold fact is that we aren't and haven't been for some time, but though legitimate questions about the manager and a fair few players still hang in the air and will need to be addressed soon we're in a better place now that we've been at any time post-Fergie. That for me is what is being cautiously welcomed, and maybe in the heat of sorting out our best possible league finish this season (sorry to say that again but it's obviously true, City and the Scousers are better than us) some may have looked as if they were celebrating third like it was a great achievement in of itself. However I'm pretty sure everybody has seen who has won the title, is not too happy about it and keen for us to do better so that in the near future it's us lifting titles again.
Havent seen anyone personally celebrating. Think the height of it is fans happy with the turnaround and claw back in the league.
Mostly fans enjoying the mostly good football and the team looking potentially decent for once with a lot of potential for the future with some players coming in.
Take a chill pill
I think most fans are celebrating what comes with finishing in the top four rather than the position itself. We are now able to offer CL football to potential transfers and have a financial boost that allows us to be more aggressive in the market.
Normally I would agree with you but given the position we were in and the final outcome we should feel satisfied. Nothing over the top but happy non the less. The two teams we are behind are miles away from the rest of the league.
Because people can see genuine progression? We've successfully off-loaded or cast out the majority of the underperforming players that have dogged this team for many years. Those few that have remained have been rejuvenated. We've seen top class players arrive at the club, we've seen our academy players make real strides, and we now have an actual springboard to develop a team capable of competing. This is the youngest squad in the league let's not forget. We've also seen some incredibly entertaining football for the first time in nearly a decade. Our young forward line have been breaking records, our defense has been keeping clean sheet after clean sheet. The toxicity and rot that has plagued this club for so long now seems to have passed.
Let's also not ignore @Rhyme Animal, that you predicted we would finish outside the top 4 this season.
Let's also not ignore @Rhyme Animal, that you predicted we would finish outside the top 4 this season.
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What a wanker of a thread.
He must be gutted that we finished 3rd. Probably had a draft saved for an "Ole out" thread and was ready to "burst Rashford's bubble".
Well not really, you are always a goal or a mistake away from loosing a cup final, finishing 3rd or 4th doesn't have to be one. You need a bit of context is my point, we were never even close to the top 2 and got 3rd on goal difference finishing closer to 18th placed Bournemouth than to the champions.
I kinda agree. It's not been a great season; it's more a pleasant surprise that we fended off our own demons in order to battle our way to 3rd. It's seriously difficult to believe that this was a better season than the one where we finished 2nd under Mou. Objectively, it isn't and cannot be.
That said, there's promise with the form of Maguire, Bruno, Martial and Mason. We're a few signings from doing something really good and that's reason enough to be cheerful. If we've done nothing by this time next year then yeah, we can indeed get the pitchforks out for Ole.
Next season will be his first real test
That said, there's promise with the form of Maguire, Bruno, Martial and Mason. We're a few signings from doing something really good and that's reason enough to be cheerful. If we've done nothing by this time next year then yeah, we can indeed get the pitchforks out for Ole.
Next season will be his first real test
Pathetic reply, as standard.
Bitterness? Yeah, I'm bitter about where this club has fallen to under Woodward, absolutely. I truly am.
Superiority Complex? United do have superior means to every club in the PL bar one. United fans should expect more than this.
200m was spent in the Summer and the club has finished 2 points more than Moyes season FFS. There's your context.
Attack the post, not the poster. I'm sure it makes you feel good, but it's a no no
Bet you're fun at parties.
I agree, we achieved the minimum requirement.
It was have been a massive failure not to qualify to the CL considering the money we spent.
The only reason people are celebrating is because we were shit for half a season and managed somehow to make up the difference between us and Leicester by going on a crazy run.
We have a decent base to build on but we have to be smart during the transfer window.
It was have been a massive failure not to qualify to the CL considering the money we spent.
The only reason people are celebrating is because we were shit for half a season and managed somehow to make up the difference between us and Leicester by going on a crazy run.
We have a decent base to build on but we have to be smart during the transfer window.
I get your points, I still think we were steady and consistent compared to Leicester and Chelsea. They blew their leads over us. I'm not concerned that we were a bit shaky in our last couple of games, because all teams are when they're near their objective.
Well aren't you a ray of sunshine.....
However it does need pointing out that we have finished on 66pts for 2 seasons running now. Only this year 66pts was enough for 3rd (thankfully) where last season it wasn't. Nearly £200m invested and we didn't earn a single more point. That's got to change next season. 75-80pts should be the minimum we will accept.
However it does need pointing out that we have finished on 66pts for 2 seasons running now. Only this year 66pts was enough for 3rd (thankfully) where last season it wasn't. Nearly £200m invested and we didn't earn a single more point. That's got to change next season. 75-80pts should be the minimum we will accept.
It's about a prepared thread for after we lose to Leicester. It needed few adjustments.
Pathetic reply, as standard.
Bitterness? Yeah, I'm bitter about where this club has fallen to under Woodward, absolutely. I truly am.
Superiority Complex? United do have superior means to every club in the PL bar one. United fans should expect more than this.
200m was spent in the Summer and the club has finished 2 points more than Moyes season FFS. There's your context.
Attack the post, not the poster. I'm sure it makes you feel good, but it's a no no
This is called doubling down
Nail meets the head, some posters have this innate need to be right rather than acknowledging we may finally be on path to recovery and I didn't see much celebration here or by team at all .
This is called doubling down
Read again, it's just my opinion about the club.
200m spent and not a single point gained from previous season...
More financial means than any other PL club barring City and after 7 years under Woodward this is where we are.
It's not good enough, and about that, I'm right.
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We are celebrating progression. They celebrated standing still.
And we still have a major trophy to play for.
The result is nothing to celebrate, agreed, though it would have been harmful to the club to miss CL again.
What is worth celebrating is a team undergoing re-construction, more resilient and able to come back after going one down, able to grind out wins (like Leicester yesterday), able to avoid losing when having a bad game (like West Ham), going unbeaten for 14 games in the PL, leaking 18 fewer goals than last season, keeping going to achieve top four under pressure, achieving a GD of +30 v +11 last season, finishing three places higher than last time etc.........
None of this represents winning the Premier League, FA Cup or any other trophy, but it signals a recovery from the downward trajectory that started with David Moyse, continued with LVG and Mourinho - and I'm talking about the fragmentation of what we stood for, awful football, dispirited players, rumours of dressing room rifts etc.
There's a lot more to do in the next two seasons, but let's celebrate that we appear to be on the right track and have the foundations to think seriously about building a squad to challenge for the league - that's not a right it's earned by hard work.
Your analysis in your post fails to take any of the above into account - on balance it has been a season that ended far better than it started and was not a 'crap' season IMO.
I dont understand posters who compare points across the season. By your metrics 2007-08 United is inferior to this year Liverpool and 100pts City but I know who I am going to bet on if they played each other
At the start of the year most people were saying we'd be lucky to finish in the top 6.
Now that we have people still whinge. Yes, it's not good enough for United but it's just the fact of the matter right now, simple as that. So why not celebrate doing slightly better than expected?
It's not allowing mediocrity it's being real about our situation. 2 or 3 more signings and we'll be able to at least keep up next year.
Now that we have people still whinge. Yes, it's not good enough for United but it's just the fact of the matter right now, simple as that. So why not celebrate doing slightly better than expected?
It's not allowing mediocrity it's being real about our situation. 2 or 3 more signings and we'll be able to at least keep up next year.
Comparing point in different seasons isn't very fair as each season plays out differently with different styles. If that's the case, this Liverpool team are what, the 2nd best PL team ever? I don't think they are. I think they're about as good as Uniteds' 2008 side, and they got 87 points, some 12 less than this Liverpool team.
The fairest way is to see the league position rather than number of points, and we've definitely improved by jumping up 3 places.
2019/2020 was the beginning of a new era. Our team is young and our coaching staff inexperienced at that level. Finishing third is very encouraging, it wasn't perfect, it was even painful to watch at certain points of the season but for the first time since maybe 2010 we have the backbone of a solid team. If we add depth and a couple of starters like Sancho and a dynamic DM then we will be in even better shape. See it like a road trip, many fans are just enjoying the journey and our first stop at an exciting venue.
What are these celebrations @Rhyme Animal ?
These aren't celebrations. These are feelings of contentment that we are heading in the right direction, we are not penalised financially for not qualifying for Europe, hence we can spend a little bit more and have an added advantage of competing for those players for whom.champs league is a big factor. Coupled with, the youth players showing signs of promise which is a success story for our academy. One of if not the youngest average age in the Premier league. We can't fix everything in one fell swoop. we have displayed signs that we are now addressing the areas that need addressing and for once the clubs targeted positions/players and the fans choice of positions/players seem to be aligned. There are lots of reasons to be optimistic. For a decade we have been mismanaged. We are in the process of getting a DOF which again will improve us as Ed shouldn't have to play that role. So no, these are not celebrations but are reasons to have some optimism in our hearts going forward. I havent felt this optimism for a long time. Next season has to be top 2 in premiership, a domestic trophy and quarter/semi finals in champs league with a few more youngsters introduced to the first team. That would make a good season and should be achievable with the right signings over the next few weeks. Lots of reasons to be positive.
By OP's logic this year Liverpool is better than our Treble winning team cause hey they have more points.
It's relative to the season and teams around you.
That Mourinho points total would have finished where this year? Yeah, third, and still 18 points off winning the title.
I don't see much point in comparing other season's points totals and different things spur you on.
The only thing about points I'd bother discussing now is that you need 90 if you're gonna be anywhere near winning the title these days. It's clear that we aren't going to get that without 3-4 signings who are going to be the main ones starting games / being the most-used subs (even then it might not be enough IMO, as we need to improve significantly and still probably need Liverpool & City to drop off a bit at the same time).
Spot on. Could not have said it better
Yeah, we had CL qualification on the line on the last game, but you're not allowed to celebrate if we win? Fecking fun sponge.
I doubt if people are celebrating as if we won the league. It is more of a satisfaction to see a dramatic turn around and promise of we are moving forward.
You have to look at transitional seasons in terms of the hope they offer going forward. We've continuously improved as the season has wore on. We have a very young group of player but a very promising group of players. Its been by far the most exciting style of football since Sir Alex left, and we have some real world class potential among our attackers as well as a hugely improved defence. Issues over the season were easily explainable (lack of depth to cover for key injuries), so the fact that once we got that key player and depth in in January with Bruno and Ighalo, our form was title challenging form is something you just can't ignore. And even further, you'd expect us to push on and strengthen more to get more quality starting and more depth over the summer to help with that issue.
Its Ole's first full season at the club and at the end of the day, he finished 3rd after an excellent 2nd half to the season, reached the semi final of the carabao cup and the semi final of the FA Cup, while being the favorites to win the Europa League (and at least quarter finals so far). That with a squad with very little depth that had key injuries for large parts of the season. Nobody gives a feck about points totals at the end of the day. Do you knock our 1999 side because of points total? You shouldn't, because points totals are always relative and aren't really that much of a marker of comparison for year after year performance.
Its Ole's first full season at the club and at the end of the day, he finished 3rd after an excellent 2nd half to the season, reached the semi final of the carabao cup and the semi final of the FA Cup, while being the favorites to win the Europa League (and at least quarter finals so far). That with a squad with very little depth that had key injuries for large parts of the season. Nobody gives a feck about points totals at the end of the day. Do you knock our 1999 side because of points total? You shouldn't, because points totals are always relative and aren't really that much of a marker of comparison for year after year performance.
Mostly on defence. We conceded 18 fewer goals this season, scored 1 more and that is with:
- Pogba missing 22 league games through injury (39 in all competitions)
- Rashford missing 7 league games through injury (14 in all competitions)
- Martial missing 6 league games through injury (10+ in all competitions)
De Gea
Dalot Tuanzebe Maguire Young
McTominay Fred Pereira
Mata
James Rashford
Dalot Tuanzebe Maguire Young
McTominay Fred Pereira
Mata
James Rashford
What has been highlighted this season is our lack of squad depth, and we did well to finish where we are with three of our most important players missing a significant chunk of the season.