How long has Fergie been a top manager, you are right, he is not going to allow any player to dictate to him, whether we buy or not, he will listen to the players, and make his mind up after that, he will do what he can to keep a player he wants to keep, but push him into team decisions and transfer policy, that he doesn't want, never !!
Fergie: ''We won't be buying in January, definitely not''
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How long has Fergie been a top manager, you are right, he is not going to allow any player to dictate to him, whether we buy or not, he will listen to the players, and make his mind up after that, he will do what he can to keep a player he wants to keep, but push him into team decisions and transfer policy, that he doesn't want, never !!
Awwww Poor roo will be upset again by the lack of ambition.
He's fat,
He's round,
Moans when we save a pound
He's fat boy scouser.
He's fat,
He's round,
Moans when we save a pound
He's fat boy scouser.
Anyone who thinks Rooney was told by SAF that we were going to spunk money in January is a genuine idiot.
We will sign someone like Defour or Henderson but won't get them till the Summer.
Great post.
I stand by all those posts, nothing wrong with any of them. Obviously we won't buy all those players but we could possibly see a few of those players playing for United in the future. Carrick has got progressively worse over the last few seasons and is unlikely to be there next season. In regards to Rio he isn't the player he was a couple of years ago but still decent. The VDS post was obviously made in haste just after that howler lol as was the Fergie post, i'm sure you could quote thousands of posts from people in that forum which seem out of line.
20%? You might be talking far more than that... Some players are twice as expensive in January...
Our main problem, is that the positions we need, are short on supply. We must not fall into the Rafa Benitez feck up of replacing our players, with players whom are marginally better. We need significant improvements or nothing at all... And those are extremley expensive in January.
Valencia was a very bad man to get long term injury, simply because the wingers is where we have our shortest cover, Nani and Valencia are the only great wingers we have. In central we have tons of talent, and it would be pointless to get someone in January... When we do sign a winger, we need the likes of Mata or Bale... Those are players whom quickly costs anything between £25m-£50m in the summer, and simply are ungettable this window, on top of that they are cup tied in Europe. If we were to sign for example N'Zongbia we probably would have a better chance of winning the league, however Obertan would get little playingtime meaning this would slow his development - and to be fair even though N'Zongbia probalby can call himself a better player than Obertan right now, I think Obertan is more talented - he just need more Premier League experience. All those matces Nani has played poorley in past seasons are worth it now, because he has to have turned into one of the very best wingers in the world.
I could have sworn this would be the year we'd find the next Evra/Vidic in mid season... Ah well, on to July
Hey everybody, he's out on parole.
How many times have we signed players in recent years shortly after similar pronouncements from Fergie? There's no point in paying any attention to it - if we were looking to sign players in January he'd hardly advertise the fact anyway, would he?
I can easily see us going for someone in January if he's identified a player he wants and is scared he'll miss him in the summer, or lose out to City or Chelsea.
I also think it's worth bearing in mind that if we go for players in January or in the summer that we'll still be able to offer them the attraction of 2 years of being managed by SAF - that's a massive selling point to potential players and a card we still hold over Chelsea or City. If SAF leaves buying players to 18-24 months time that selling point will have gone...
I can easily see us going for someone in January if he's identified a player he wants and is scared he'll miss him in the summer, or lose out to City or Chelsea.
I also think it's worth bearing in mind that if we go for players in January or in the summer that we'll still be able to offer them the attraction of 2 years of being managed by SAF - that's a massive selling point to potential players and a card we still hold over Chelsea or City. If SAF leaves buying players to 18-24 months time that selling point will have gone...
True
That must be the most comprehensive demo job ever done. Shame it wasn't someone I'd ever noticed.
Since Evra and Vidic in 2006, our January buys have been restricted to player's with future rather than present in mind. Therefore I think SAF has been true to his word every time in the sense that we've not bought player's to supplement the 1st team squad, we've signed young player's and either put them in the reserves or farmed them out again on loan.
I doubt we'll be in the market for player's that would improve the 1st team immediately, we'll either sign nobody or another youngster with no expectation to make an immediate impact.
I don't think the attraction of SAF is as powerful as the attraction of money for many player's these days, sad but true. If we offer them a Rooneyesque contract, then they'll sign regardless of SAF being here or not. By the same token, most player's would chase the dollar elsewhere if we weren't able/willing to match or better those terms even if that means passing up a chance to work with Fergie.
It's not a nice thing to see but money seems to be the ace up the sleeve these days rather than chance of success, history, club set-up, legendary manager's, and all other criteria.
Why does it matter how much we spend? Surely the most important thing is the quality of the players we bring in not how much they cost.
I think waiting to the summer is the only policy we have available.
It gives SAF a full season to decide on the whether some of the fringe players can really kick on a become first team regulars. Plus we don't have a great chest of money to splurge on a top player and who isn't Euro cup tied.
Fergie is only saying what most of us already realise.
It gives SAF a full season to decide on the whether some of the fringe players can really kick on a become first team regulars. Plus we don't have a great chest of money to splurge on a top player and who isn't Euro cup tied.
Fergie is only saying what most of us already realise.
The better the player the more they tend to cost.
Not necessarily though
Fabio and Rafael don't need to be registered next season so it's just Smalling, Obertan and Cleverley. That makes it 28 players who would need to be registered in the 25 man squad next season but it's not really an issue considering that half a dozen of those players will have left the club next summer irrespective of the new squad regulations.
I thought both the twins would be 21 by the time next season started.
sdb4884 has been utterly owned in this thread.
But more often than not, for example if we wanted Wesley Sneijder a ready made world class midfielder wed have to fork out in all probability 35 million plus, where as if we wanted say a run of the mill solid player to do a decent job say Lassana Diarra he'd probably cost around 15-20 million.
You get what you pay for more often than not, and thats in all walks of life, why do you think a full on shag costs more than a quickie blow job?
Buying in January is stupid anyway, but we´ve to buy 5-6 players in the summer.
Yup. Vidic, Evra and VDS cost us less than £15m combined and they've been great players for us.
I would imagine the blueprint for next summer's signings will be the same one that saw us sign the likes of Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick and Valencia. Players between the age of 23-25, from second/third tier clubs who will want to move, who have reasonable wage demands and who can realistically be expected to come in and perform consistently well soon after joining us. Those are the types of signings that Fergie will consider ''signature'' purchases.
People expecting or hoping for the likes of Schweinsteiger, Sneijder and Benzema to join us are just setting themselves up for disappointment. They aren't realistic signings.
The regulation is based on calendar year. So any player who hasn't turned 21 by 1 January 2011 won't need to be registered in next season's 25 man squad.
That's true but the market is a vastly different animal now than it was 5-6 years ago, look at the prices the likes of James Milner and Lescott are going for, ludicrous figures, getting Evra and Vidic for a combined 12 million was probably the deals of the century, but they are the exception not the rule, if we're expecting to get players of that quality for similar numbers in todays market were dreaming unfortunately.
I agree with the last bit, i don't think we'll be going for the Sneijders of this world either, i think players like Alexis Sanchez, Ever Banega, Steven Defour, Jordan Henderson, Jack Rodwell, David De Gea etc are the types we'll be looking at.
Ah I see, that's good then, leaves us some breathing room.
3-4 new signings is more realistic and that might well include two keepers.
3, 4, 5, 6? We won't buy more than two players guys, and even that is a high figure. Five or six is bounding on ridiculous, we couldn't even accommodate that many players in the squad and we don't need more than a goalkeeper and a midfielder.
Just add Sahin to that list please.
We may well need two keepers if TK wishes to leave as well, I could see two keepers, 1 midfielder and 1 youngster who doesn't effect the 25 man squad come in.
Just add Sahin to that list please.
We may well need two keepers if TK wishes to leave as well, I could see two keepers, 1 midfielder and 1 youngster who doesn't effect the 25 man squad come in.
I can't imagine us losing two keepers simultaneously. If VDS retires then PIG will fancy himself to secure a spot in the starting XI. And if VDS does stay another season then maybe PIG will look to leave. It's all up in the air at the moment. Couldn't predict if we are going to replace VDS or PIG, but not both. Decision is all up to Edwin thoygh
All depends on whether or not Fergie fancies PIG as a number one or not. By all accounts he's off in the summer if he's not getting first-team football next season. I doubt Amos is ready to be our second keeper so we could well sign two keepers in the summer.
I basically heard it the same way as Pogue, so if VDS retires in the summer and TK is not made #1 then we'll be requiring two keepers.
De gea and linegaard have been mentioned as possible replacements.
One will probably be De Gea, IMO. There's no way Fergie missed that Scunthorpe match just to watch Valencia. Particularly when Eric Steele went with him.
Yet we've been in for Benzema within the last 18 months and would have bought David Villa 2-3 months ago if he hadn't been adamant about staying in Spain.
That's what Fergie has said anyway, so seems like United still have an open mind about getting in players of that nature, unless you know better?
We won't be buying Lindegaard as a replacement for VdS, maybe for PIG though.
lots of speculation that it will be Manuel Neuer because of the current state of the club Schalke (mini-crisis) and De Gea is too expensive.
How old is Jaaskalainen? I wouldn't be disappointed if we bought him, I think.
I think he's 34 ^^^