Fergie In A £25m Bid For Rooney

Davo said:
Nothing gets past you does it?

Bollox talker
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Sorry Davo but I dont share your opinion that we should spent outrageous sums of money just because Rooney is English and is promising. There are several other options in the world. Forwards who would give their heart and soul to our cause just like what Cantona did for us in the past and same thing that RVN does for us week in week out.

The sum mentioned for Rooney is ridiculous. 25m is 6m more than the sum that consented us to sign RVN (and if I am not mistaken) 10m more than constented AC Milan to sign Sheva. Is Rooney thaat good? NO HE ISNT.
 
devilish said:
Sorry Davo but I dont share your opinion that we should spent outrageous sums of money just because Rooney is English and is promising. There are several other options in the world. Forwards who would give their heart and soul to our cause just like what Cantona did for us in the past and same thing that RVN does for us week in week out.

The sum mentioned for Rooney is ridiculous. 25m is 6m more than the sum that consented us to sign RVN (and if I am not mistaken) 10m more than constented AC Milan to sign Sheva. Is Rooney thaat good? NO HE ISNT.
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I'm not saying you should sign him...

But to imply that he wouldn't do the business for you because he's a scouser, is ignorant and simply stupid.

Or that 10m is a realistic fee, which is quite clearly isn't
 
Davo said:
I'm not saying you should sign him...

But to imply that he wouldn't do the business for you because he's a scouser, is ignorant and simply stupid.

Or that 10m is a realistic fee, which is quite clearly isn't
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who said so?
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
If Devilish had it his way, we wouldn't have bought:

Ruud
Saha
Yorke
Ferdinand
Stam
Keano
Ronaldo
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Where have I said that I didn’t want Stam, Ruud, Keano and Ronnie?

Ruud – 19m for a striker who had been scoring for fun both in the Dutch league and in the CL league was a bargain

Saha – 12m for him was a bit of a risk in my opinion same thing thought about Yorke.

Ferdinand – Considered him as an excellent defender although spending 30m for a defender who had been plying his trade at a club close to bankruptcy was a bit of a rip off.

Stam – I liked his style, and his class. Was well worth even at 10m

Keano – same thing for Keano

Ronaldo – at 12m it was a bit of a gamble, but he is a good player and would prove to be a bargain
 
devilish said:
Where have I said that I didn’t want Stam, Ruud, Keano and Ronnie?

Ruud – 19m for a striker who had been scoring for fun both in the Dutch league and in the CL league was a bargain

Saha – 12m for him was a bit of a risk in my opinion same thing thought about Yorke.

Ferdinand – Considered him as an excellent defender although spending 30m for a defender who had been plying his trade at a club close to bankruptcy was a bit of a rip off.

Stam – I liked his style, and his class. Was well worth even at 10m

Keano – same thing for Keano

Ronaldo – at 12m it was a bit of a gamble, but he is a good player and would prove to be a bargain
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We over-paid for all of them

Hindsight is a beautiful thing
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
We over-paid for all of them

Hindsight is a beautiful thing
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were have i said that?
 
I gave my opinion about Rooney and as stated before I dont see him worth 25m, or half that sum. We shouldnt allow to get ripped of by Everton, there are much better talent around.
 
devilish said:
I gave my opinion about Rooney and as stated before I dont see him worth 25m, or half that sum. We shouldnt allow to get ripped of by Everton, there are much better talent around.
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If reyas is worth 17-20 million Id say rooney is certainly worth a similar ammount... possibly a bit more considering he's proven in the premiership...

I wouldnt be happy with paying 25million up front but like the arsenal deal for reyas which was 7-10 up front depending who you believe with 10 million based upon titles and apperences etc...

12.5 up front for rooney + 12.5 more based on CL and PL titles... I could live with that...

Rooney has alot of skill and if he was around players like giggs and scholes and Nistelrooy he could develop into one of if not the best players in the world... he's about 10 years away from his peak!!!
 
devilish said:
I gave my opinion about Rooney and as stated before I dont see him worth 25m, or half that sum. We shouldnt allow to get ripped of by Everton, there are much better talent around.
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Who are these talents that are much better than him?
 
devilish said:
I gave my opinion about Rooney and as stated before I dont see him worth 25m, or half that sum. We shouldnt allow to get ripped of by Everton, there are much better talent around.
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You also claimed that it wouldn't work because he's a scouser...

and that 10m was a realistic price - an absurd suggestion

Name this much better talent
 
Davo said:
You also claimed that it wouldn't work because he's a scouser...

and that 10m was a realistic price - an absurd suggestion

Name this much better talent
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10 million :lol:

yeah right hes only 18... and is spoken about as a huge talent and has performed on the inretnational stage as well as showing he can cope with the demands of premier leauge football

VDV is 20, and people say he will cost about 20 million
Torres 19... people say around 20 million... athletico chairman says 60
Tevez 20... boca turned down 17 million
Robinho 20... santos say they want 15-20million
Diego is only 18 but unproven in europe... I doubt you could get him from santos and have any change out of 10 million
Cassano cost way more than 10 million (18 I think) and hes 21 years old
Schneider is 19 and byern have apparently been rumored to be prepared to pay 15 million
Adriano is 21 and half of his contract cost way more than 10 million
Kompany is a defender... hes 17 and hes rated at 10 million

Rooney has talent comparable to all of the above...

why would 10 million be enough to get him???? especially considering his age and his 3 international goals in i think 6 games and proven ability in the premiership... out of the other players mentioned only 3 are proven in one of the so called big 3 leagues (Spain England Italy)
 
devilish said:
I apologize if I am hurting your patriotism but in this buyers market that is the price for an excellent (not outstanding) yet still raw Rooney.

Mind you Rooney have showed that he is a genuine talent. He has a good technique, he is fast enough and has a special eye to goal. But you really need to be a fenomeno for a club to offer a 25m fee for an 18 year old, and Rooney falls short when compared to an 18 year old Owen, Ronaldo or Henry, the only three strikers which I would have spent 25m for (at that age)

10m - 12m is a much more realistic bid
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hats off to you dev...

you would have spent 25million on an 18 year old henry...

he made his debut at 17/18 for monaco... (on the wing) by the time he was 19 he had played 26 games and scored 6 goals http://www.soccernetwork.org.uk/premiership/arsenal/henry/henry.htm

it took untill he was 21 for Juventus to sign him (10.7 million)...

Even wenger only paid 10.5 million for him when he turned 22...

yet you would have spent 25 million quid on an 18 year old henry!!!!!!

me thinks you are bullshitting!
 
I can remember watching Henry at the age of 18. He was good, but no way did he show the potential of being a great player.. He was all pace and nowt else.(Infact Saha was rated higher)

At Bordeaux, it's said that Dugarry showed more signs of greatness than Zidane.

All players develop at different ages, so it's virtually impossible to pick a future world star...at such a young age.

Having said that Ronaldo was amazing at 17.
 
Reyes should be considered as a much more finished article than Rooney proving himself to be a regular scorer in the Liga, something Rooney has yet to achieve. If Reyes is considered as a 17m – 20m player than Rooney should be considered much “cheaper”

PPL here think that I having something against Rooney, no I have nothing against him. What I have pointed out is that it would be ridiculous to sign a player who has yet to win a regular place at Everton, and prove himself to be a CONSISTANT striker at the EPL. I mean it is still premature to label him as a world class player and put a 25m (because that is the price of a world class talent) tag around his neck. There are safer options around, players like Adriano for example.


As stated before you really really need to be special for me to sign an 18 year old for 25m. And special means to be at Owen's and Ronaldo's bracket. Do you reckon Rooney as good as an 18 year old Owen or Ronaldo? No he isnt.

10 - 12m is flattering enough for a player who has yet to demostrate that he is a regular scorer WITH an average team.
 
devilish said:
Reyes should be considered as a much more finished article than Rooney proving himself to be a regular scorer in the Liga, something Rooney has yet to achieve. If Reyes is considered as a 17m – 20m player than Rooney should be considered much “cheaper”

PPL here think that I having something against Rooney, no I have nothing against him. What I have pointed out is that it would be ridiculous to sign a player who has yet to win a regular place at Everton, and prove himself to be a CONSISTANT striker at the EPL. I mean it is still premature to label him as a world class player and put a 25m (because that is the price of a world class talent) tag around his neck. There are safer options around, players like Adriano for example.


As stated before you really really need to be special for me to sign an 18 year old for 25m. And special means to be at Owen's and Ronaldo's bracket. Do you reckon Rooney as good as an 18 year old Owen or Ronaldo? No he isnt.

10 - 12m is flattering enough for a player who has yet to demostrate that he is a regular scorer WITH an average team.
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You really are obsessed with putting price tags on players....

Rooney is as much of a regular goalscorer for Everton as Reyes was for Sevilla.

It is premature to label him a World Class player. But he has the talent to become one.

And, yes, I do reckon Rooney is as good an 18 year old as Owen was.

And why is Adriano a safer option? He's never played in England, whereas Rooney as proved that he can thrive in this league.
 
Personally I don’t like to gamble so many millions over a youngster. Why? For the simple fact that a youngster’s talent is so unpredictable and its so easy for a young talent not to develop any further.

You want examples here there are.

Patrick Kluivert: At 18 Patrick managed to score against one of the strongest defenses in the world earning Ajax the CL final. At that time he was considered as the most promising striker in Europe and everyone would have done anything to sign him up.
Now Kluivert is a good striker but have he fulfilled the expectations set on him? Would you have signed him then for 25m

Emile Heskey: Feck I remember England U21 vs Italy U21 and Arrigo Sacchi (in my opinion one of the best managers in football’s history) labeled Heskey as the new Alan Shearer. Same opinion was shared by Cesare Maldini who tried to convince AC Milan to sign the then Leicester striker for 18m. Have he reached those expectations?
You know the answer.

And the list go on with Montella, Anelka and Schillaci, players who failed to justify their price tag

And I am trying hard to avoid the flops, like Spanish answer to Del Piero, Jose Mari.
Spanish answer to Zidane Ivan De La Pena and the new Dino Zoff, Massimo Taibi.

Mind you I have faith in Rooney, but at 25m its too much of a gamble
 
devilish said:
PPL here think that I having something against Rooney, no I have nothing against him. What I have pointed out is that it would be ridiculous to sign a player who has yet to win a regular place at Everton, .

10 - 12m is flattering enough for a player who has yet to demostrate that he is a regular scorer WITH an average team.
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He's 18 - thats why he's not playing for Everton week in week out. In terms of ability he's head and shoulders ahead of every other Everton player...how can you not understand this?

Again, you talk nonsense....as has been pointed out Henry was nowhere near showing true signs of class when he was 18..

You keep mentioning 10-12m..what for? You must realise that you couldn't buy him for such a price, so therefore its nothing more than mentioning random numbers

7, 49, 36million
 
He is an exciting prospect but who knows he would either turn out to be a great player or a spent force (like Owen ;) before he reaches 25.As of now its not wise to shell out 25 million quids on him as there are more promising and established young players available in the 20 million bracket.Anything above 15 million for Rooney is a big gamble
 
devilish said:
Reyes should be considered as a much more finished article than Rooney proving himself to be a regular scorer in the Liga, something Rooney has yet to achieve. If Reyes is considered as a 17m – 20m player than Rooney should be considered much “cheaper”

PPL here think that I having something against Rooney, no I have nothing against him. What I have pointed out is that it would be ridiculous to sign a player who has yet to win a regular place at Everton, and prove himself to be a CONSISTANT striker at the EPL. I mean it is still premature to label him as a world class player and put a 25m (because that is the price of a world class talent) tag around his neck. There are safer options around, players like Adriano for example.


As stated before you really really need to be special for me to sign an 18 year old for 25m. And special means to be at Owen's and Ronaldo's bracket. Do you reckon Rooney as good as an 18 year old Owen or Ronaldo? No he isnt.

10 - 12m is flattering enough for a player who has yet to demostrate that he is a regular scorer WITH an average team.
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reyes 20 years old... 73 games 26 goals
rooney 18 years old... 47games 15 goals

comparable? at 19 reyas had 48 games and 17 goals... rooney already has 3 international goals a similar record and is a year younger... there is nobody of the same age who is more proven!

I notice now that you take out the henry comparison for 25 million... I wonder why?... could it be that my previous post shows you were spouting bollocks...?????

Rooney is a different player to Owen... he plays much deeper and gets involded in the build up more... and yes I do think at 18 they are comparable in terms of potential... I doubt rooney will rarely if ever score 20+ goals a season... but he will create as well as score and could play behind the striker or alongside.

but honestly dev you would have paid 25million for an 18 year old henry... stop talking bollocks... and name us these better young talents than rooney and tell us whet they were doing at 18...

especially the comparable tallent we could get for 10-12 million...

or alternativley you could not bother as you will probably post a load of bullshit again like your 25million for henry at 18... your 10-12 for rooney...

in fact ill do it for you

Dev "bullshit lies bollocks"... there saved you time
 
devilish said:
Personally I don’t like to gamble so many millions over a youngster. Why? For the simple fact that a youngster’s talent is so unpredictable and its so easy for a young talent not to develop any further.

You want examples here there are.

Patrick Kluivert: At 18 Patrick managed to score against one of the strongest defenses in the world earning Ajax the CL final. At that time he was considered as the most promising striker in Europe and everyone would have done anything to sign him up.
Now Kluivert is a good striker but have he fulfilled the expectations set on him? Would you have signed him then for 25m

Emile Heskey: Feck I remember England U21 vs Italy U21 and Arrigo Sacchi (in my opinion one of the best managers in football’s history) labeled Heskey as the new Alan Shearer. Same opinion was shared by Cesare Maldini who tried to convince AC Milan to sign the then Leicester striker for 18m. Have he reached those expectations?
You know the answer.

And the list go on with Montella, Anelka and Schillaci, players who failed to justify their price tag

And I am trying hard to avoid the flops, like Spanish answer to Del Piero, Jose Mari.
Spanish answer to Zidane Ivan De La Pena and the new Dino Zoff, Massimo Taibi.

Mind you I have faith in Rooney, but at 25m its too much of a gamble
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:rolleyes:

Every transer is a gamble - be it a young or a older player.
 
EZee said:
reyes 20 years old... 73 games 26 goals
rooney 18 years old... 47games 15 goals

comparable? at 19 reyas had 48 games and 17 goals... rooney already has 3 international goals a similar record and is a year younger... there is nobody of the same age who is more proven!

I notice now that you take out the henry comparison for 25 million... I wonder why?... could it be that my previous post shows you were spouting bollocks...?????

Rooney is a different player to Owen... he plays much deeper and gets involded in the build up more... and yes I do think at 18 they are comparable in terms of potential... I doubt rooney will rarely if ever score 20+ goals a season... but he will create as well as score and could play behind the striker or alongside.

but honestly dev you would have paid 25million for an 18 year old henry... stop talking bollocks... and name us these better young talents than rooney and tell us whet they were doing at 18...

especially the comparable tallent we could get for 10-12 million...

or alternativley you could not bother as you will probably post a load of bullshit again like your 25million for henry at 18... your 10-12 for rooney...

in fact ill do it for you

Dev "bullshit lies bollocks"... there saved you time
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:lol:

He's made you look an utter fool Dev
 
I do think the 25m is inflated for two reasons- one is the United "tax" and two is he's British and British talent is always over-priced when sold.

Rooney might become a world class player, but I've read some posts on here where people think he's too lazy and does not have the desire to achieve. Dunno if is this is correct or not, but should he come to OT, I think he'd turn out a fine player.
 
MrMarcello said:
I do think the 25m is inflated for two reasons- one is the United "tax" and two is he's British and British talent is always over-priced when sold.
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And third, there will be a host of clubs wanting his signature
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
You really are obsessed with putting price tags on players....

Rooney is as much of a regular goalscorer for Everton as Reyes was for Sevilla.

It is premature to label him a World Class player. But he has the talent to become one.

And, yes, I do reckon Rooney is as good an 18 year old as Owen was.

And why is Adriano a safer option? He's never played in England, whereas Rooney as proved that he can thrive in this league.
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A) I don’t think that there is anything wrong in the fact that you don’t want your club to be ripped off, expecailly when we have 2 powerful idiots like M & M preying around every transaction done by our club. I mean there is nothing wrong with the fact that I would like to see things done in a professional way and that no extra pressure would be added on SAF due to the fact that our negotiators s*cks.



b) He has the potentiality to become a world class player, but the list of players who had the talent but failed to exploit is endless, and there is more probability that a youngster fails to reach the expectations set on him rather than vice versa. Now would you spend 25m on a gamble?

c) At his age Mickey Owen took the EPL and the world cup by surprise scoring a wonder goal against Argentina. Rooney is good but he doesn’t possess Owen’s magnificent pace and technique. And no an 18 year old Rooney is NOT as good as an 18 year old Owen.

d) Adriano is a regular top scorer both in the Serie A and with Brazil. At such a tender age he had also shown great character and maturity in playing against great sides, scoring a wonder goal against Real Madrid. Rooney
Has yet to start playing regularly in the EPL (let alone scoring regularly) therefore basing on this thought is my reasoning why I reckon Adriano as a safer bet.
 
devilish said:
I reckon Adriano as a safer bet.
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Using your reasoning you would have signed Kluivert over Henry. You would have signed Kluivert over Ruud.
 
EZee said:
reyes 20 years old... 73 games 26 goals
rooney 18 years old... 47games 15 goals

comparable? at 19 reyas had 48 games and 17 goals... rooney already has 3 international goals a similar record and is a year younger... there is nobody of the same age who is more proven!

I notice now that you take out the henry comparison for 25 million... I wonder why?... could it be that my previous post shows you were spouting bollocks...?????

Rooney is a different player to Owen... he plays much deeper and gets involded in the build up more... and yes I do think at 18 they are comparable in terms of potential... I doubt rooney will rarely if ever score 20+ goals a season... but he will create as well as score and could play behind the striker or alongside.

but honestly dev you would have paid 25million for an 18 year old henry... stop talking bollocks... and name us these better young talents than rooney and tell us whet they were doing at 18...

especially the comparable tallent we could get for 10-12 million...

or alternativley you could not bother as you will probably post a load of bullshit again like your 25million for henry at 18... your 10-12 for rooney...

in fact ill do it for you

Dev "bullshit lies bollocks"... there saved you time
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First of all your stats are laughable. According to Optasoccer Rooney had played in 56 matches with Everton scoring 10 goals. Now that would maybe have made Heskey proud but it wouldn’t have made proud this Jesus Christ clone (because its in this way that many posters here are portraying Rooney).

http://www.evertonfc.tv/players/firstteam/index.php?profile_id=83&view_type=player_stats

Why I would have preferred Henry over Rooney? For many reasons. First of all from day 1 Henry showed the right attitude. I mean Henry at 19 had already
The mentality of a pro, and would have never played aggressively or put on access weight. Secondly Henry had the right characteristics to become a world class player, and these characteristics were pace and technique which Henry had in bucket loads. Same thing cannot be said about Rooney. In few words at 19 years Henry showed more promise than Rooney.

This season Rooney had scored 4 goals in 15 matches. Now does that justify a 25m tag?
 
WeasteDevil said:
Using your reasoning you would have signed Kluivert over Henry. You would have signed Kluivert over Ruud.
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No according to me I would ask for value for money. Therefore I would spend good money for a striker who offers me certain guarantees, and lesser money for promising players.

Before signing with us RVN had scored for fun and with consistency both in the Dutch league and in the CL. Its understandable that Manchester United would have to cough good money for him. Now Ill ask you one thing

Would you sign an 18 year old lad, who is yet considered as a reserve and have only scored 4 goals in 15 games at a price which is 6m higher than the price which lured RVN to OT?
 
Dans said:
Funny isn't it? Two schools of thought. One, that Rooney is a great player at the age of 18 and will only get better and better. Another, that he's not worth 25m, probably because he is a scouser. What a load of misguided rubbish the latter is. Rooney is rightly considered one of the greatest talents in England since Paul Gascoigne by many, especially by those who can offer an objective view on the game. Rooney would be a brilliant sigining for us and as one poster already said, who cares about the price? This isn't CM. This isn't your club to manage and you are not controlling the finances. If we've got the money and we want the player, let's try and get him.
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I agree. So many people squirm over 3 or 4 million quid extra, when to United, its not all that much if it means securing the deal of a player they desperately want.

It would be strange having Rooney though, given how much abuse our fans give him and the abuse he's given back. But if he wants to come, he would be extremely welcome, as he would with most clubs in the world, certainly in England.
 
devilish said:
First of all your stats are laughable. According to Optasoccer Rooney had played in 56 matches with Everton scoring 10 goals. Now that would maybe have made Heskey proud but it wouldn’t have made proud this Jesus Christ clone (because its in this way that many posters here are portraying Rooney).

http://www.evertonfc.tv/players/firstteam/index.php?profile_id=83&view_type=player_stats

Why I would have preferred Henry over Rooney? For many reasons. First of all from day 1 Henry showed the right attitude. I mean Henry at 19 had already
The mentality of a pro, and would have never played aggressively or put on access weight. Secondly Henry had the right characteristics to become a world class player, and these characteristics were pace and technique which Henry had in bucket loads. Same thing cannot be said about Rooney. In few words at 19 years Henry showed more promise than Rooney.

This season Rooney had scored 4 goals in 15 matches. Now does that justify a 25m tag?
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http://skysports.planetfootball.com/player.asp?plid=13017&clid=&s=0203

started 47 games... 15 goals

you said the only 3 strikers you would have spent 25 million on at 18 included henry... thats bollocks he had not even started a game up front for monaco then... SO YOU ARE A LIAR or you have better football knowledge than wenger + furguson etc (I seriousley doubt that)

rooney has been played on the right hand side of midfield this season or withdrawn from the attack if you actually watched the games...

as for adraiano... didnt inter just pay 27million euros for half of his contract http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/s7665.html ... not being funny but if you think rooney is worth £10 million how does adriano become worth £36.5 million when you consider he is 3 years older... rooney still has more international goals than him (adriano got 2 in the confeds cup and thats all so far isnt it)... Adriano is a fine player but where was he when he was 18?... flamengo right... 60 games & 20 goals... not entirley different to rooneys record is it? only rooney has done it in the PL... oh and rooney is more of a link player than an out and out striker... yet £10 million is a gamble for rooney but you would get adriano who just cost £36.5 million:wenger:


you say good players dont put on weight... you obviousley never saw maradona and havent seen ronaldo in a real shirt... does that make them bad players???

As for never playing agresivley??? Hughes, Cantona, Keane, Robson spring to mind as Mau U players who were agressive and I think it actually added to their game.

Rooney is not a quick player... he never will be but his brain is very sharp and his technique is great... combined with his strength gives him the chance to become a fantastic player if you cant see that your blind.

who are these better young players we could get?

as you think we could get rooney for 10 million what better 18 year olds can we get with proven track records for that price...
 
devilish said:
Would you sign an 18 year old lad, who is yet considered as a reserve and have only scored 4 goals in 15 games at a price which is 6m higher than the price which lured RVN to OT?
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would you pay 18 million more to get a dutch bloke with a knee injury than it cost to get cantona from leeds?
 
devilish said:
who is yet considered as a reserve
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Thats nonsence!

Would you consider Cristiano Ronaldo a reserve?, he certainly hasnt played that many games, infact id wager that he wouldnt have played half the games he has if Ole wasnt injured.

Its called protecting young players, Ferguson does it and so does Moyes. Of course you can throw them in at the deep end but some prefer not to - doesnt make the player a reserve.
 
Can't for the life of me understand why some are getting so bent out of shape about someone else's money. We would be getting an English, Premiership-ready international who is still about 10 years away from his peak ffs. Will never happen imo.
 
And don't even doubt his potential. That goal against Arsenal, single-handedly frightening the life out of Turkey, coming on at half time and making our players shit their pants? At 18? He will be a class act, just not for us - I just can't see it happening.
 
Gazza said:
And don't even doubt his potential. That goal against Arsenal, single-handedly frightening the life out of Turkey, coming on at half time and making our players shit their pants? At 18? He will be a class act, just not for us - I just can't see it happening.
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Well put Gazza. Rooney's ability is in no doubt. His attitude yes. If Fergie got a hold of him I'm sure he will fix that. But as you say I dont think we will get him.
 
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