Fergie: I need to sell in order to buy

Originally posted by the reporter:
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Are there any players in the reserves at the minute as good as them?...
Thought not...</strong><hr></blockquote>

More to the point - The likes of Becks, Butt and co got a lot of experience immidiately because they played a lot. The couple of players we need now are probably/possibly reserve players, not regular starters.
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If a player had to go, it would have to be Scholes. Why? Because we have Keane, Butt, Veron, Becks, Stewart etc....who can play in CM.

Fergie bent over backwards to try and accomodate Scholes last season to the detriment of the team, by playing him in the hole. That failed, Scholes said he can't play there, so IMHO, the choice is obvious.
 
We could get Crespo on the cheap.A player like him for under £20 million is a bargain.
 
Originally posted by Richter:
<strong>We could get Crespo on the cheap.A player like him for under £20 million is a bargain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

to pay in the region of £20M for a player from serie a at the moment is frankly insane. a cheeky £12M bid would be more worthwhile, or even a loan bid. . .just see how desperate for cash they really are. . .
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Originally posted by Marcus:
<strong>If a player had to go, it would have to be Scholes. Why? Because we have Keane, Butt, Veron, Becks, Stewart etc....who can play in CM.

Fergie bent over backwards to try and accomodate Scholes last season to the detriment of the team, by playing him in the hole. That failed, Scholes said he can't play there, so IMHO, the choice is obvious.</strong><hr></blockquote>

come on marcus....ridiculous to say Stewart stands a better chance than scholesy....ginger head(ooii, you know which one for christ's sake!!) is a bleedin genius getting into the penalty box.....nobody in bloody england does it better....and what's to say trying him in behind RVN will not succeed second time around.....there'll be much better cohesion between the midfield and attack now and of course between scholesy and rvn after a season together......no way grand master is going to offload scholesy or any of the first squad midfielders in the current transfer market....just because PK says we can't afford to buy without selling, doesn't mean Fergie's reached a stalemate....there's talk about a spread out payment deal for crespo which would seem bloody mouth-watering to the suits at OT...also PDC's available for probably less than 2mil quid, ;) .....batistuta's practically begging to play for Utd and as much as jedi master hates this, a loan can quite certainly be worked for ronaldo :rolleyes: ...so it's not all doom and gloom and sell, sell, sell mate.......expected better from you marcus especially re scholes instead of a typical post like that dingbat shao.....ooopppps then again, you're from glory-hunters central singapore no :p
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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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come on marcus....ridiculous to say Stewart stands a better chance than scholesy....ginger head(ooii, you know which one for christ's sake!!) is a bleedin genius getting into the penalty box.....nobody in bloody england does it better....and what's to say trying him in behind RVN will not succeed second time around.....there'll be much better cohesion between the midfield and attack now and of course between scholesy and rvn after a season together......no way grand master is going to offload scholesy or any of the first squad midfielders in the current transfer market....just because PK says we can't afford to buy without selling, doesn't mean Fergie's reached a stalemate....there's talk about a spread out payment deal for crespo which would seem bloody mouth-watering to the suits at OT...also PDC's available for probably less than 2mil quid, ;) .....batistuta's practically begging to play for Utd and as much as jedi master hates this, a loan can quite certainly be worked for ronaldo :rolleyes: ...so it's not all doom and gloom and sell, sell, sell mate.......expected better from you marcus especially re scholes instead of a typical post like that dingbat shao.....ooopppps then again, you're from glory-hunters central singapore no :p </strong><hr></blockquote>
Jedi, if you've been paying attention you'll know that all the players you mentioned we could get, have been ruled out. The fact that its been said we need to sell before we buy is a pretty good reason to think we might do just that. Its only gloomy if you forget that it would be done to get a stronger and more balanced squad afterwards.
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Originally posted by the reporter:
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Only peoblem is that when he sold Kanchelskis, Beckham came in. When he sold Ince, Scholes and Butt came in. When he sold Hughes, he already had Cantona and Cole as the main strikers, then Solskjaer came in, then Yorke came in.
Are there any players in the reserves at the minute as good as them?...
Thought not...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yorke was a record transfer when we got him, not a youth product, and he came ages afterwards, so what relevance is he? :confused: If Giggs was sold then the youth candidates would be Djordic, Chadwick, Pugh and Richardson. None of them are Giggzy quality yet, but all good cover. If Scholes went, then Veron would already be his replacement, and Stewart would be the cover. Same for Butt too, though I don't think he's at any risk. More likely it will be Veron (we didn't have him before so why replace him?), or Barthez, or Silvestre, or the Nevilles. Any of those players would bring in a fair amount of money, though I suppose today's transfer market doesn't help that, as well as their bad reputations.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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More likely it will be Veron (we didn't have him before so why replace him?), or Barthez, or Silvestre, or the Nevilles. Any of those players would bring in a fair amount of money, though I suppose today's transfer market doesn't help that, as well as their bad reputations.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Niether would the fact that if any of them goes, we'll also need to replace them along with adding the players we already need to! Gary is safe, and from what Phil said today, so is he. There aren't available class goalkeeper so Barthez is staying, while if any movement was to happen with Silvestre it would already surely be done.

As for Seba, one this hasn't changed - our need for something different from midfield. He failed to make the difference last year, but we still need 'A Veron'.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Niether would the fact that if any of them goes, we'll also need to replace them along with adding the players we already need to! Gary is safe, and from what Phil said today, so is he. There aren't available class goalkeeper so Barthez is staying, while if any movement was to happen with Silvestre it would already surely be done.

As for Seba, one this hasn't changed - our need for something different from midfield. He failed to make the difference last year, but we still need 'A Veron'.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Silvestre's contract is running out, and our attempts to get a left back have stalled, but I doubt they are over. If we landed Escude and sold Silvestre, then we'd make money on that deal. We're now linked with Marcos since Rustu fell through, we might make a couple of million on those transfers too. Regarding Veron, Scholes used to be that 'Veron', and Scholes has won us a lot of trophies.
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What happened to the 40m - 50m the Plc was supposed to have available for transfers ? Money fron the Nike deal? They've only outlaid 15m for Rio this financial year so fergie should be given what he wants to land a striker at least. I think we need two given Diego's propensity to hit the middle of the stand instead of the back of the net. It's the same old story. Last season it was Veron and this time its Rio. Spend all the money on one player and nothing left for the others who are needed. Veron was brought in and nothing was done about the defence. This season its Rio and with Yorke and Cole gone, nothing done about the attack. Where is the sense in all this. If Kenyon can't come up with the money then Fergie probably has no choice but to sell a big name and maybe Scholes, as much as I hate to say it, looks like the leading candidate.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Silvestre's contract is running out, and our attempts to get a left back have stalled, but I doubt they are over. If we landed Escude and sold Silvestre, then we'd make money on that deal. We're now linked with Marcos since Rustu fell through, we might make a couple of million on those transfers too. Regarding Veron, Scholes used to be that 'Veron', and Scholes has won us a lot of trophies.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Scholes has won us the Champions League once, and since then we've looked anything but true contenders for this trophy. He's a tremendous midfield scorer, but he just doesn't have the ability to break tight defences. Veron does, and if he settles in well I'm sure we'll see this. Our 1999 midfield has gone stale and predictable.

As for the rest, Escude is believed to be worth 6m, how much is a Silvestre with 10 months remaining on his contract worth? Not sure we'll make money on that one! Anyhow, we need ANOTHER left back, not a replacement left back.

As for the goalkeepers, there's no way in hell we're buying Marcos and I don't believe Rustu got an offer from United and said no. Silvestre and Barthez will continue to be at United next season and it's not because Sir Alex wanted desperately rid of them but couldn't find a buyer or someone else to sign.
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>What happened to the 40m - 50m the Plc was supposed to have available for transfers ? Money fron the Nike deal? They've only outlaid 15m for Rio this financial year so fergie should be given what he wants to land a striker at least.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't remember anyone at United announcing we had 40-50m to spend. I don't expect we'll ever see such a sum spent in one year (last summer was obviously balanced by Stam's sale and the fact Ruud's money was the previous year's).

Anyhow, talk is cheap and actions are not. We will just have to wait and see what happens. I still believe we'll add to the squad (although not expensive players) and I don't believe we'll sell any of our top players. It would not serve any purpose as we need to add 2 names to what we have now as it as.

As for Rio, it was too good a chance to turn down.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Scholes has won us the Champions League once, and since then we've looked anything but true contenders for this trophy. He's a tremendous midfield scorer, but he just doesn't have the ability to break tight defences. Veron does, and if he settles in well I'm sure we'll see this. Our 1999 midfield has gone stale and predictable.

As for the rest, Escude is believed to be worth 6m, how much is a Silvestre with 10 months remaining on his contract worth? Not sure we'll make money on that one! Anyhow, we need ANOTHER left back, not a replacement left back.

As for the goalkeepers, there's no way in hell we're buying Marcos and I don't believe Rustu got an offer from United and said no. Silvestre and Barthez will continue to be at United next season and it's not because Sir Alex wanted desperately rid of them but couldn't find a buyer or someone else to sign.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I shall have to agree to disagree with you then. ;)
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I shall have to agree to disagree with you then. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Aye, but if you're on the 'trust the wizard' thing, one guess who chose to bought Veron and who's gonna keep him :D
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Aye, but if you're on the 'trust the wizard' thing, one guess who chose to bought Veron and who's gonna keep him :D </strong><hr></blockquote>
The same guy who sold Taibi? :p
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Originally posted by Amir:
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I don't remember anyone at United announcing we had 40-50m to spend. I don't expect we'll ever see such a sum spent in one year (last summer was obviously balanced by Stam's sale and the fact Ruud's money was the previous year's).

Anyhow, talk is cheap and actions are not. We will just have to wait and see what happens. I still believe we'll add to the squad (although not expensive players) and I don't believe we'll sell any of our top players. It would not serve any purpose as we need to add 2 names to what we have now as it as.

As for Rio, it was too good a chance to turn down.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There was a lot of talk on this forum about that sort of money although I was somewhat sceptical. Then Kenyon was quoted as saying that the Club was cash flush so all that together with the Nike deal led one to believe there was a fairly substantial amount available. Everyone new Rio would cost 30m and yet most people believed we would have more available for possibly two others. As for buying inexpensive players, who would those be exactly and how much is inexpensive ? Doesn't sound very feasible. I still think Kenyon is being ultra conservative and more money could be made available. If he thinks the squad should be reduced to accommodate new faces then it would be better to get rid of some fringe players like Fortune and Chadwick and maybe one or two others who Fergie thinks is not going to make it. But if we are to go for a Duff or a Gudjohnsen then Fergie needs the Plc to provide the necessary funds. Talking of squad size, we've lost Yorke, Wallwork, Irwin, Van Der Gouw and presumably Johnsen, with only the addition of Rio - so actually Kenyon's contention about too many players doesn't make sense does it ?
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It's a bit of a problem - The squad is smaller, yet Rio's wages are probably worth what Denis, Johnsen and Wallwork used to get in a week all together! It's not just about squad size, it's also about wages.

But I do agree - there is still money for United to spend. Kenyon was foolish enough to say we're cash rish and I guess he learned that it's not very wise saying such things.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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The same guy who sold Taibi? :p </strong><hr></blockquote>


Taibi wasn't Ferguson's choice. Taibi has said that he has discovered after reading Ferguson's book that he wasn't really his choice , and for him that's the reason why he wasn't really given a chance.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>Taibi wasn't Ferguson's choice. Taibi has said that he has discovered after reading Ferguson's book that he wasn't really his choice , and for him that's the reason why he wasn't really given a chance.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Err, who's choice was he exactly?

Some people also believe Mark Bosnich wasn't Fergie's choice. So maybe our gaffer doesn't sign goalkeepers. Would explain all the recent disasters <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Err, who's choice was he exactly?

Some people also believe Mark Bosnich wasn't Fergie's choice. So maybe our gaffer doesn't sign goalkeepers. Would explain all the recent disasters <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I've kept this interview of Taibi, because he was talking about Fab ("Treat Bart better than me")

He said :


"I only discovered the truth after I read Ferguson autobiography. He said I was bought on the recommendation of his brother - but he'd had reservations about me"

On the contrary, Barthez was Ferguson's choice, this is why he has stood by him last year - although his patience has surely some limits.

Knowing Barthez, he couldn't work with a manager who don't trust him.
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His loyalty to his family does take the piss a bit sometimes, however natural a feeling it is, there's no room in this business for sentiment.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>His loyalty to his family does take the piss a bit sometimes, however natural a feeling it is, there's no room in this business for sentiment.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he's only human, neil..


i reckon he's still a top notch keeper.. iam sure he'll deliver the goods... and even a dodgey Fab gives me more confidence than Carrol.. dunno why but iam not sold on Roy.. sadly. he's not got what it takes to be a number one. IMO
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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he's only human, neil..


i reckon he's still a top notch keeper.. iam sure he'll deliver the goods... and even a dodgey Fab gives me more confidence than Carrol.. dunno why but iam not sold on Roy.. sadly. he's not got what it takes to be a number one. IMO</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, but I think Neil was talking about the brother's choice...so Taibi. Sentiment etc...
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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he's only human, neil..


i reckon he's still a top notch keeper.. iam sure he'll deliver the goods... and even a dodgey Fab gives me more confidence than Carrol.. dunno why but iam not sold on Roy.. sadly. he's not got what it takes to be a number one. IMO</strong><hr></blockquote>
You've got to admit though that perception of yours is not based on the results, but more on his personality and style. He's not as flamboyant as Barthez, and doesn't exude that confidence and arrogance - its partly for his personality that Alex had got him, since filling Pete's shoes had proven too difficult for lesser characters.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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You've got to admit though that perception of yours is not based on the results, but more on his personality and style. He's not as flamboyant as Barthez, and doesn't exude that confidence and arrogance - its partly for his personality that Alex had got him, since filling Pete's shoes had proven too difficult for lesser characters.</strong><hr></blockquote>


true...
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Thing is Barthez doesn't communicate with and command the defense well, and thats even with 2 of them being french! Roy is a vocal player, not as fecking angry and intimidating as Peter, but still organising the defense all the same. I think he was an absolute bargain.
 
A phone in tonight on MUTV why dont they sell scholes for 20-30 million and buy a striker and another defender
Clayton Blackmores reply you dont sell your best players to strengthen your team.
two words Leeds Rio <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Thing is Barthez doesn't communicate with and command the defense well, and thats even with 2 of them being french! Roy is a vocal player, not as fecking angry and intimidating as Peter, but still organising the defense all the same. I think he was an absolute bargain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It would be interesting to ask the defenders ! No need to speak all the time, he knows what he has to do and say. It's too easy to always blame the keeper when the defense doesn't play well.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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It would be interesting to ask the defenders ! No need to speak all the time, he knows what he has to do and say. It's too easy to always blame the keeper when the defense doesn't play well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

TBH elfie BOTH were at fault last year...


hopefully this year, the communications better.
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it was only last season that Inter were prepared to pay 20-30mill to get scholes on board their squad. Theyll not pay that now obviously but the possibility of a swap deal exists..
Then when scholesy doesnt settle in Italy..we buy him back cheaper ;)
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>it was only last season that Inter were prepared to pay 20-30mill to get scholes on board their squad. Theyll not pay that now obviously but the possibility of a swap deal exists..
Then when scholesy doesnt settle in Italy..we buy him back cheaper ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

and if veron plays shite this season, then we swap him for scholes and then re-swap scholes for Joe cole. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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Originally posted by gulli_G:
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and if veron plays shite this season, then we swap him for scholes and then re-swap scholes for Joe cole. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> thats one for the theoryists
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It's a simple theory: we need defender(s) and striker, so if we need to sell someone then that person must be a midfielder. There is someone which is surplus to our need (we already have players who can perform similar functions to him), played shite for 96% of time last season and can generate a lot of money (so that we can buy several players by just selling one). If only Fergie can put down his pride the problem will be solved.
 
i don't think we will sell any top players(Veron,Scholes)...maybe Fortune, Chadwick....

btw...where is Fortune? is he injured or something?
 
Originally posted by Wan:
<strong>i don't think we will sell any top players(Veron,Scholes)...maybe Fortune, Chadwick....

btw...where is Fortune? is he injured or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Those players won't generate much money. Especially Chadwick, who will pay more than 3 million for him? Even if we sell BOTH chadwick and fortune we can only gain 7-8m at most, and then we will be short of cover at the wings.
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chadwick is good.. but needs to improve his shooting.

i think Fergie should get rid of Fortune quick, and maybe even Forlan. Since he said he won't be thinking twice to drop someone if he doesn't perform.

Well, Fergie actually doesn't need to buy.. he can play Giggsy upfront with RVN or Ole. With Djordic on standby. i must say Forlan was one of the most disappoiting purchase which went on just because Fergie wanted to knack it away frm Boro.

kinda wasted 6million,.. i feel it's time to stop being Real number 2 and concentrate on producing own local talents. Ajax can do it, and so can Man Utd. Why is it so hard for a new generation of Scholesy, Becks, Butt to come out of the crop?

So far, we've only seen Wesley and Luke. Perhaps Fergie should start using more of them to prepare for the future.
 
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