Fergie: I need to sell in order to buy

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Alex Ferguson still wants to add to his United squad and would be willing to sell to generate the funds "if the right player became available".
The Old Trafford chief smashed the British transfer record for the second summer running after swooping for Leeds star Rio Ferdinand but he is still looking to strengthen at the back and up front.
The close-season exits of Denis Irwin, Ronny Johnsen, Ronnie Wallwork and Dwight Yorke have left Ferguson short of options with just three senior strikers at his disposal.
"It would be nice to have a fourth striker and we're also a couple of defenders short.
"Peter Kenyon knows there's weaknesses and it's a buyers market at the moment - you can get very good players far cheaper than last year.
"If I want to buy another one or two players to strengthen the squad then I'll have to sell someone.
"But if the right player became available I'd be prepared to do that."
Meanwhile, former Argentina international Gabriel Batistuta has issued a 'come and get me' plea to Ferguson.
The 33-year-old is quoted as saying: "I'm aware Manchester United have shown interest in me and the prospect of moving to such a big English club is extremely appealing.
"Given the current financial position of Italian clubs, if Roma want to let me go because of the wage situation then I would love to play for United.
"I don't know how much money Roma would want for me but my wages wouldn't be a problem."
West Ham's Paolo di Canio and Damien Duff of Blackburn have also been linked with United.

Not sure what that tells us <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

In all honestly, I can't see us selling any of the first team players.
 
"If I want to buy another one or two players to strengthen the squad then I'll have to sell someone.
"But if the right player became available I'd be prepared to do that." <hr></blockquote>Absolute classic Fergie mind games that.

The man's a genius.

10 days 'til the CL qualifier and he's lit a fire under the arse's of all the team...

You gotta love him!

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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>You gotta love him!

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I do, yet he is right... We are a couple of players short.
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tribalshitforall say tat we have offered silvestre for crespo aswell <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

we need 1 left back, 1 rightback and then gaz, brown and rio and oshea, will be the cb quartet next year.

i say puyol, escude and a striker, i still think we may go big for tha last time this season.

maybe scholes may have to go, as its all been veron and butt from fergies comments so far.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>I do, yet he is right... We are a couple of players short.</strong><hr></blockquote>No doubt. A left/right back and a striker are needed obviously.

IF he is serious about selling before buying, who do you think he'd let go of?

Fortune, May or Djordic?

I doubt any of the first team would go other than Quinten. I think it'd have to be a pretty special player coming in for Fergie to sell any of the first team lads to get him.
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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>I doubt any of the first team would go other than Quinten. I think it'd have to be a pretty special player coming in for Fergie to sell any of the first team lads to get him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There really isn't anyone to sell that will bring serious cash in. Veron is always the first name on 'be sold in order to buy' list, but it's not going to happen, realistically.

Mostly because Sir Alex believes in him, which is the most important thing. Partly because we're unlikely to get a worthwhile fee for him as well I suppose.

Thing is, we don't actually need huge money because we don't need a huge signing, especially at the back. Upfront is a bit different ofcourse, as we need someone proven.
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Well he can sell someone like Quinton or May and raise 2-3 million quid and get Escude for 5-6 mil, that wouldn't be bad business IMO.

Anyone reckons there's a chance Chadders might leave? He might bring in 2-3 million as well..
 
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Well he can sell someone like Quinton or May and raise 2-3 million quid and get Escude for 5-6 mil, that wouldn't be bad business IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No it wouldn't. It could explain why we've been seeing 2-3 left wingers this season except Giggs and none of them was Fortune.

But Manchester United should not wait for someone to offer them a couple of millions for a player before signing a 5-6 million player. We shouldn't but ofcource thats what we do. Shame.
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Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Well he can sell someone like Quinton or May and raise 2-3 million quid and get Escude for 5-6 mil, that wouldn't be bad business IMO.

Anyone reckons there's a chance Chadders might leave? He might bring in 2-3 million as well..</strong><hr></blockquote>My only problem with getting rid of QF in order to raise cash for another player is that it leaves us a bit sparse on the left. Of course, if he was sold to raise money for Duff, that'd be a no brainer, not that it's gonna happen though.

Chadders could well be another one to scoot, but, I think we really need a wide option in reserve due to our style of play gravitating toward the central channel. Once a defence stifles us, we need someone with fresh legs, coming off the bench, who can change things up a bit.
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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>My only problem with getting rid of QF in order to raise cash for another player is that it leaves us a bit sparse on the left. Of course, if he was sold to raise money for Duff, that'd be a no brainer, not that it's gonna happen though.

Chadders could well be another one to scoot, but, I think we really need a wide option in reserve due to our style of play gravitating toward the central channel. Once a defence stifles us, we need someone with fresh legs, coming off the bench, who can change things up a bit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well maybe it's time to let the likes of Bojan and perhaps Kieran have a go at left-wing?

Bojan was probably the best player for the reserves last season and I think should be given a go. I feel he is a big-stage player, the kind of players that reserve football isn't really their playground, but would improve when given a chance at PL/CL level..
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As for right-wing..as I've mentioned in the other thread, this should be Jimmy Davis' year..he should be given a chance IMO
 
Fergies limited who he's going to sell IMO..even if he wanted to sell Scholes for example, who can afford to buy him at 15-20 mill?
 
If taken at face value it means Veron is leaving imo, possibly back to Lazio in exchange for a player or two. But, I think it's more a case of saying no new arrivals this summer, unless it's a free / very cheap transfer (Batistuta ?).
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Fergies limited who he's going to sell IMO..even if he wanted to sell Scholes for example, who can afford to buy him at 15-20 mill?</strong><hr></blockquote>It could be a salary related issue too. The board might want to drop a £20,000+ per week wage packet before offering someone else one that is bound to be bigger than that.

In all honesty, I doubt any of our 'better' players will be going anywhere because nobody has any money atm. The only way I see one of them leaving, which I don't think any of them will, but if they had to, it would be as part of a swap type deal...

Anyway, it's 8:30am and I'm off out for breakfast, no doubt we'll have been linked with about 10 other players by the time I get back!

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If it is a warning to the players under-performing, I'd still expect SAF to give Seba a chance until Christmas. He considers Veron as his own little project and he'd pull all the stops to see Veron succeed. If Veron is still thought of as a disaster by December, he may cut his losses and try to bring in a Striker before the Winter CL deadline like he did with Forlan and Cole last year.
 
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Well he can sell someone like Quinton or May and raise 2-3 million quid and get Escude for 5-6 mil, that wouldn't be bad business IMO.

Anyone reckons there's a chance Chadders might leave? He might bring in 2-3 million as well..</strong><hr></blockquote>

No I don't think chadwick will leave, he's supposedly very well regarded by the coaching staff
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Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Well he can sell someone like Quinton or May and raise 2-3 million quid and get Escude for 5-6 mil, that wouldn't be bad business IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>Would certainly be worth it. But what I could also see is the 2m from the Dwight sale and the 3m mentioned above going towards a Striker like Christie, I've heard he's available for about 5m. United fan as well. ;)
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Left wing, how about landon donovan? any comments from the True Treble Red? i think he did quite well for the US. Any opinion?
 
Donovan has just been called back by Bayer after spending a bit of time at San Jose (I think) so I doubt they'd be letting him go so soon. Whatever you do, do NOT say DaMarcus Beasely. ;)
 
Apart from Nicky, keano or even Beckham, the rest of the midfield players are susceptible to Fergie's ironhand.
Cant see him selling defenders or strikers cos that's where we are short anyway. Maybe Micky might go....
 
Chadder's can't go anyway! Because that'll put the spotlight on Forlan as the best looking batchelor at the Club! :eek:
When Forlan first joined Man Utd and he sat in the crowd watching the match... I remember this comment from Martin Tyler....
"Well, the ladies of Manchester will be pleased about this signing" :rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Americans To Watch For:
1. Landon Donovan - The real deal, he could help any team anywhere. Pace, Power, Poise on the ball. Give him a team of equals and he will shine.
2. DaMarcus Beasley - Pace to burn, great creativity and skill. One large problem - he weighs about 15 kilos. Unless he spends some serious time in the gym he's going to be staying Stateside.
3. Josh Wolff - Great foward with lots of speed and natural finishing. But he is injury prone and doesn't have the skill to beat defenders on his own.
4. Bobby Convey - True future star. Only seventeen years old, and he is starting. Was a Nike Project 40 player (no college ball, went into pro's). An interesting player, but would never move to go simply into the youth ranks.
5. Santino Quaranta - Even younger than Convey, but with the overall game to lead the United States in the future. Same problems as well.
6. Pablo Mastroeni - A real talent. Plays extremely well defensivly and in the midfield. Great vision and passing. I saw him a couple weeks ago and he was miles above the rest of the competition. Someone worth thinking about.

Those six players are (in my humble opinion) the six young player to watch for currently playing in the United States. Please feel free to add or amend anything I wrote, I did this from memory and I probably made mistakes or missed people. -Ben <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
If you had to make a list of players most at risk of being sold then I think these names would be on the list.

Barthez
Silvestre
Veron
Fortune
Phil
Giggs
Scholes

and maybe even in that order. It would be a simple case of one out one in, unless the player was a Veron, Giggs or Scholes in which the funds could stretch to two players.
 
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> at this thread. Fergie is selling no one
 
FERGIE TOLD: SELL BEFORE YOU BUY



Ronaldo: Madrid bound?


Fergie blasts FA over Becks
Ronaldo linked with United move

Manchester United will not try to buy Brazil star Ronaldo or Aston Villa striker Darius Vassell and Sir Alex Ferguson must sell before he can buy, chief executive Peter Kenyon said.

Kenyon dismissed reports that Ronaldo - who scored eight goals in the World Cup - and England forward Vassell are on Ferguson's shortlist.

But he has warned the United manager that, despite Dwight Yorke's move to Blackburn, he must sell more players if he wants to make any more big-name additions to his squad.

Having already splashed out almost £30million on Rio Ferdinand to shore up the fallen champions' defence, Ferguson had intimated that he wants to buy another striker before the Champions League and Premiership deadline later this month.

However, Kenyon claimed he believed Ronaldo was going to Real Madrid, and that reality had to be injected into United's future spending.

He said: "You can never say no about what you might have to pay in the future, but the reality is that whether you pay £10million or £30million it has to be in line with what the business can afford.

"The reality of the situation to date is that you can't just keep spending and adding players to the squad."

He added: "The rumour we hear is that Ronaldo will be going to Real Madrid, we have neither approached or been approached about Ronaldo. Neither him or Darius Vassell feature in our ideas."

And Kenyon explained how the Ferdinand deal is structured for delayed payments over the next five years, and why United felt they had to sign the England star.

He said: "You don't spend £30million on a player lightly, but it was a real target. We decided at the end of last season that the area that needed strengthening was the defence.

"What we were looking for was a player who could make the difference.

"We have a payment structure that covers the next 12 months and a performance-related element for the next five years, that gives everybody some protection.

"Ultimately it depends on how successful we are. We will be delighted if over the five-year period we have to pay that, because that means we will have been as successful over the next five years as we have in the last five," he told the BBC.
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>"Ultimately it depends on how successful we are. We will be delighted if over the five-year period we have to pay that, because that means we will have been as successful over the next five years as we have in the last five," he told the BBC.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's better than I thought. I didn't know the performance related issue is for five years. So Leeds would now be smart to lose to us over the next half decade.

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Originally posted by Amir:
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It's better than I thought. I didn't know the performance related issue is for five years. So Leeds would now be smart to lose to us over the next half decade.

Brilliant. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
They would anyway ;)

This sell before you buy position seems to be true, pity about Ronaldo - with him I think a unique case can be made, cos if Real got him then they'll definitely, instead of just most likely, win the CL this season. But no-one is worth £68m, thats just stupid.
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If SAF has to sell, it would be 1-2 of our fringe yongsters. It would seems SAF may have to sell, not because we have no money for new purchases, but more to do with the number of players in the first team and the salary issue (we have something like 28-29 players listed in the first team). A while ago SAF let go of Higgin.... whatever his name, eventhough he was a very decent prospect. I think we may see something like that done again. Other than Fortune, we may see players like Djordic, Stewart, Webber, Davis or even Chadwick leave. Also, it may be time that May get moved along. I used to like him alot, I really did, but his injuries....
 
Kenyon has confirmed.

Said something to the effect you just cant continue to add players to the squad.

Now as I recall we have had 5 out and 2 in.

Reinforces everything said about accountants. :mad:
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
[QB]If you had to make a list of players most at risk of being sold then I think these names would be on the list.

Barthez
Silvestre
Veron
Fortune
Phil
Giggs
Scholes

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Can't see any major sales tofinance a striker. To do that would be to weaken the squad. Any transfers would be financed by the money owed by Lazio, with the rest coming out of next year's budget. Remember, if we wrote off the Lazio debt, that would in effect spend £10 million we have never had, and would give Lazio 10million they haven't got, and let them reduce their wage bill. The rest could then be spread over the length of the contract, with no skin off anyones nose. Part of the wages could then be funded by Yorkie's fee.
Smart business IF we can pull it off, costing £0 this year!
:D :D :D
 
I think we should mentally prepare ourselves for the exit of one or some players
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2173362.stm" target="_blank">BBC</a>.
 
Its daft to say something like "Fergie will never sell Giggs/Scholes" etc.

I reckon Scholes is quite vulnerable right now. He has to show character and rise his game, last year he was lacklustre. Unlike Beckham, Keane and even Veron, he doesnt have the ability to grab a game and make it his and dominate it. At a time when Veron, Butt and Keane look to be ahead of him, he has shown few signs of rising up to displace any of them.

If he continues to not play well then I think Fergie will be willing to sell. He sold our best CB in recent years, why would he shirk at selling one of our many CMs?

That goes for alot of the players. Not saying he will or wont, but he CAN.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Its daft to say something like "Fergie will never sell Giggs/Scholes" etc.

I reckon Scholes is quite vulnerable right now. He has to show character and rise his game, last year he was lacklustre. Unlike Beckham, Keane and even Veron, he doesnt have the ability to grab a game and make it his and dominate it. At a time when Veron, Butt and Keane look to be ahead of him, he has shown few signs of rising up to displace any of them.

If he continues to not play well then I think Fergie will be willing to sell. He sold our best CB in recent years, why would he shirk at selling one of our many CMs?

That goes for alot of the players. Not saying he will or wont, but he CAN.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right then Shao, using your logic....Fergie's going to SELL one of either Beckham, RVN or Keane coz quite simply they are the most marketable no?!
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I think we should mentally prepare ourselves for the exit of one or some players
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2173362.stm" target="_blank">BBC</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed, but I still don't expect it to be any of the 'major' players. A Fortune, a Chadwick... Not more. We're already short on defenders and strikers, so we won't sell those.

Looking in midfield, who to sell there? Scholes name's naturally pops, but I honestly, honestly, can't see it happening. Plus, it would leave us with just one attacking minded midfielder in Seba.
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This is the real point here, can it be one of the home grown midfielders? We all know of the likes of Fortune, Chadwick and co. but you'd have to sell a handfull of them to get any real money for top players like Crespo, Puyol, Sorin, Escude, Marcos and the like. Then our squad strength would end up weakened, and smaller. Makes more commercial sense to sell someone who you'll get a lot of money for, but you're not getting value for money for. On that list some would put Veron, Scholes and Giggs. We coped without Veron very well before, and what that suggests to me is not so much that Veron himself is not needed, but that a 6th world class midfielder is not needed, 5 is enough if you have youth coming through like we have. Remember when we axed Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes? Who thought he'd do that? Who thought that would work? He's the Wizard, he knows best.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Remember when we axed Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes? Who thought he'd do that? Who thought that would work? He's the Wizard, he knows best.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ofcource I trust Fergie. Whatever he decides is probably right, whatever he does.

I don't buy the BBC's 'we want two defenders and a striker'. It's August already and I can't see us signing three players now.

Anyhow, I do not expect whoever we sign to be expensive. We unlikely to go into eight figures transfer fees.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>This is the real point here, can it be one of the home grown midfielders? We all know of the likes of Fortune, Chadwick and co. but you'd have to sell a handfull of them to get any real money for top players like Crespo, Puyol, Sorin, Escude, Marcos and the like. Then our squad strength would end up weakened, and smaller. Makes more commercial sense to sell someone who you'll get a lot of money for, but you're not getting value for money for. On that list some would put Veron, Scholes and Giggs. We coped without Veron very well before, and what that suggests to me is not so much that Veron himself is not needed, but that a 6th world class midfielder is not needed, 5 is enough if you have youth coming through like we have. Remember when we axed Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes? Who thought he'd do that? Who thought that would work? He's the Wizard, he knows best.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only peoblem is that when he sold Kanchelskis, Beckham came in. When he sold Ince, Scholes and Butt came in. When he sold Hughes, he already had Cantona and Cole as the main strikers, then Solskjaer came in, then Yorke came in.
Are there any players in the reserves at the minute as good as them?...
Thought not...
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