Fergie’s the problem!

[KingCavani]

Educate me mate, who's that?

Conte. Obviously.

Has overachieved to an absurd extent everywhere he’s been. Hasn’t just walked into the best situations like the picky Pep.

Has taken over clubs that have struggled for one reason or another and has left them as perennial contenders. Look at how he left Inter/Juve. Transformed.

 

[yipthatman]

Conte. Obviously.

Has overachieved to an absurd extent everywhere he’s been. Hasn’t just walked into the best situations like the picky Pep.

I did think that but you didn't say and I wasn't sure. If it was that obvious then I wouldn't have asked. Thanks for the response though. I would love to see Conte at United until the end of the season from now.

 

[Foxbatt]

I think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick. From my understanding the article is not blaming SAF.
It's saying that the club trying to do it as SAF would have done it or think how SAF would have done it is the problem.
SAF was no bloody fool. He adapted to the situation. I remember us going to Anfield and defending for our lives for the 90 mins and then scoring a goal in time added on. It was daylight robbery.
Then he put Park on Pirlo. As good as a man to man marking you would ever see. According to the instructions given to Park, his job was not to play football. His job was to stop Pirlo.
I agree with the article and this class of 92 is becoming a virus for United. SAF is the past and we should forget his style and look at the current style of football.

 

[tomaldinho1]

He was hounded out and sacked by Woodward and not the class of 92.
And he was rightly sacked after a season which saw us getting knocked out in the group stages of an easy CL group PLUS not getting top 4.

He got attacked at every turn by the ex players. My point was in response to another rooster pointing out LVG did try something completely different (not sure why you’re justifying his sacking, I never disagreed there). Point is he is the only one who has tried something different where you can warrant time, the others have just played basic counter attack and direct football, and he was the one most critiqued and attacked by Neville & Co.

 

[united_99]

He got attacked at every turn by the ex players. My point was in response to another rooster pointing out LVG did try something completely different (not sure why you’re justifying his sacking, I never disagreed there). Point is he is the only one who has tried something different where you can warrant time, the others have just played basic counter attack and direct football, and he was the one most critiqued and attacked by Neville & Co.

Of course he was going to be attacked as whatever he was trying wasn’t working at all. If he had us winning games more regularly than people would have stopped attacking his philosophy or whatever it was.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Conte. Obviously.

Has overachieved to an absurd extent everywhere he’s been. Hasn’t just walked into the best situations like the picky Pep.

Has taken over clubs that have struggled for one reason or another and has left them as perennial contenders. Look at how he left Inter/Juve. Transformed.

I don't doubt Conte at all, but with the good there is the bad. Left Chelsea, Left Juve because he felt he wasn't given what he wanted, while I feel he would be a perfect signing I feel he would be gone in 2 seasons. He is just as childish as Jose when he doesn't get what he wants.

 

[KingCavani]

I don't doubt Conte at all, but with the good there is the bad. Left Chelsea, Left Juve because he felt he wasn't given what he wanted, while I feel he would be a perfect signing I feel he would be gone in 2 seasons. He is just as childish as Jose when he doesn't get what he wants.

Left them in great situations.

I have no doubt he’ll publicly fall out with our board and call out their falling standards. Exactly what’s needed. Better than the puppet we have currently.

 

[Jibbs]

More than anything, it is his presence both on and off the field which lingers on like an anchor which is the biggest hindrance in keeping the ship moving.
It is his blue eyed boys like Ole and Fletcher who get the most important roles with zero competency and record, simply based on nepotism.
He did the same with his own son too. Got him into management just on the basis of nepotism. Shoved Moyes down our throats just because he was a Scot too. He has this network within media which doesn't openly criticize his yes men within United.
We do not want to admit it. But untill he is there influencing things from behind the scenes. We will continue with this mediocrity.

 

[Andrew7582]

Nobody got more points in the league than us in his final four seasons. He lost nothing

He was still picking Gary Neville at a point when the guy was clearly done, and would have continued doing so if Gary hadn't taken it upon himself to retire. There is plenty of evidence that Fergie became sentimental towards the end.

 

[RedRonaldo]

To be fair, we shouldn’t look to find someone to copy Fergie formula of success here. It’s rarity in football and only works for Fergie. Things have changed a lot since then.

 

[simonhch]

It’s also bollocks.

Fergie was super pragmatic as a coach. His key attribute was adaptability. There is this fanciful notion that he can be summed up as a great leader, someone who inspired the hearts and minds of players, rather than a great tactician. He played fast, gung ho football in a 4-42. A real throwback.

But the reality is vastly different. Ferguson was able to exploit the weaknesses of opposition and adapt his approach to every era. He was capable of playing it incredibly tight, or throwing caution to the wind, playing three in the middle or going with a 4-4-1-1. We had rousing high scoring encounters when required, but also controlled pragmatic displays such as the CL semi against Barca which finished 1-0 on aggregate. He was just as likely to drop a star for a Ji Sung Park to do a tactical number on Pirlo, as was he was to play four forwards.

The only United way under Ferguson was to win at all costs.

just because he had teams that featured flying wingers doesn’t mean Fergism is synonymous with it. Probably his best team had three cms in Scholes, Carrick and Hargreaves and three fluid interchanging forwards, in Rooney, Ronaldo and Tévez. Two of whom were inverted inside forwards. Now most teams play that way.

The idea that Solskjaer is attempting to recreate a Fergie way is nonsense. He’s played the same formation with the same personnel for the last 12 months. Not something Fergie ever did. He picked the best team to win a particular game and rotated as much as any manager I’ve ever seen. Changing his approach to games almost as much as he did his starting line up. Even though he is most famous for fast, attacking football; he was just as notable for grinding out results in tight, controlled displays.

Ferguson was a superb in game tactician and could completely change the balance of a game with a sub or an unexpected line up. He was never afraid to leave out a star name for the overall pragmatic vision of winning a game.

The definition of the Ferguson way is so far off the mark as to make the discussion nonsensical.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

He was still picking Gary Neville at a point when the guy was clearly done, and would have continued doing so if Gary hadn't taken it upon himself to retire. There is plenty of evidence that Fergie became sentimental towards the end.

This might be an even weirder response to his post than the other user that asked "okay, so nobody won more points than you in the last 4 seasons, well, what about the 4 seasons before that [three consecutive titles and a runner-up finish]!"

Neville didn't get near the pitch or even the matchday squad for the vast, vast majority of the season he retired in. He appeared in 3 out of 21 league games - hardly evidence that Ferguson was just going to keep on picking him.

These things are extremely easy to go back and look up before trying to make a point.

 

[meamth]

Eh, I thought Ronaldo, Rooney and Nani is why the traditional wingers died.

When they first hit the ground running, they became the new standard of wingers, hence wide forwads were created in the modern game.

Fergie is progressive, that's for sure.

 

[rotherham_red]

Says Jonathan Liew, not me.

Main gist of it is this:



You know, it kind of makes sense…

Nonsense. We literally had 5 years of moving away from the Fergie era during Moyes, LvG and Jose, and the only time we actually stabilised ourselves was under the Fergie tribute act, Ole.

I can accept that criticism is due of Ole, but the revisionism is stupid and it's so surprising where it's coming from on this forum, from people who I genuinely thought knew better...

 

[Bondi77]

Is this thread a quote from Prince Andrew?

 

[Jibbs]

I think he’s absolutely right, in a broader sense. It’s the continuous nostalgia, harking back to the past, seeking answers from a time which is long gone instead of adapting to, seeking and fashioning new solutions for the present.

The reason why it resonates is I’ve seen an exact facsimile of this situation play out at my own club as a matchgoing fan at Anfield since the mid 80s to our detriment, the famous ‘boom-bust‘ decades you used to laugh about where we continuously harked back to the past instead of adapting to and progressing with the times.

I was too young for shankly and paisley but I starting being taken to games as a child during the fagan years in the mid 80s and have since seen at first hand dalglish, souness, evans, houllier, Benitez, hodgson, rodgers and dalglish again come and go before we arrived at klopp.

Throughout this period it was one continuous history lesson about the glorious past whilst the club stagnated, watched others overtake us on and off the pitch, became a laughing stock and a salutary lesson on how great dynasties decline, etc etc.

Then klopp arrived, and the first thing he did was take down the ‘this is Anfield‘ sign, signalled definitively that the past was glorious but no longer relevant, that we had to change everything and start building as he put it ‘our own history’ instead of harking back to the past. I think it’s fair to say he achieved his targets and has made us relevant again on an ongoing basis.

I see all of this reflected at United. For Ferguson substitute shankly and paisley, for ‘the United way’ sub in the boot room, for solskjaer I give you souness and evans and the second coming of dalglish. The class of 92 pundits continuously discussing what fergie would’ve done is reflected in Hansen and lawrenson and others continuously harking back to their own times from a decade or more earlier. Bringing back Ronaldo, all of it is just futile nostalgia. In the meantime the club stagnates and with that, slowly but surely, will come a loss of relevance. Until the direction of travel changes.

Best post of this thread. Thanks.

 

[frostbite]

The problem is not Fergie, the problem is the people who say they follow Fergie.

Most of them just try to cover their own inadequacies behind the authority of a 80 years old authority figure. It happens in other fields too, and it is always a big problem. If you attack the acolytes for their ineptitude they just say that you are attacking the authority figure himself!

For example, in this thread many posters discuss what Fergie was and what he wasn't. However, this is completely irrelevant for our situation today. Our manager is not Fergie, he is not a copy of Fergie, he is nothing like Fergie. He may be a great manager or he may be a bad manager, but this has nothing to do with Fergie! Yes, he was his player long time ago. As was Bruce, the Nevilles, Hughes, Robson, Keane, etc. This doesn't mean that all these managers are mini-Fergies, most of them are not good managers.

 

[yipthatman]

We really need to stop being Nostalgia FC and move on. Even the scousers don't seem to talk about history much any more. Everyone else is looking forwards and we are living in the past it seems.

As for Fergie. He was a complete bully, but he was our bully. He used to bully the players, the ref, the oppo managers, man he would even have a go at the ball boy. Everyone was shit scared of him and he had the tactical skills to go with it. This is not what Ole is about. They couldn't be more different in this regard.

 

[RoyKeaneInTurin]

Fergie literally walked Busby out of the house taking away his office. He took the statue down for him to finally leave the club.

Unfortunately the same needs to be done with Fergie. He should be a fan and a grand father, not the one taking decisions at the club.

Hope our next manager does what Fergie did to Busby. It has to be done and there are no two ways about it.

 

[JebelSherif]

Fergie literally walked Busby out of the house taking away his office. He took the statue down for him to finally leave the club.

Unfortunately the same needs to be done with Fergie. He should be a fan and a grand father, not the one taking decisions at the club.

Hope our next manager does what Fergie did to Busby. It has to be done and there are no two ways about it.

This is so true.

It was a super performance at Spurs yesterday - note at Spurs. I assume Sir Alex was back in Manchester, watching it down the pub.

Would Ole have been strong enough to sub Ronaldo with the great man watching over him live, I am not so sure.

 

[Sandikan]

People read the papers saying Fergie went to the training ground to "!beg" for Ole to have one more chance.

Posters go mad, taking that as truth.

 

[Max_United]

Nonsense. We literally had 5 years of moving away from the Fergie era during Moyes, LvG and Jose, and the only time we actually stabilised ourselves was under the Fergie tribute act, Ole.

I can accept that criticism is due of Ole, but the revisionism is stupid and it's so surprising where it's coming from on this forum, from people who I genuinely thought knew better...

Appointing Moyes was heavily influenced by Fergie in a futile attempt to recreate the Fergie era. I mean, he literally talked about scottish national character traits which he has himself and sees in Moyes etc. Fergie tribute act was precisely apponting Moyes on his advice, not Ole's appointment.

Fergie is by no means the main culprit - it is up to owners to hire a competent CEO who in turn hires competent DoF, Manager etc. He made a mistake by recommending Moyes, but everything after that is not on him.

 

[JebelSherif]

He made a mistake by recommending Moyes, but everything after that is not on him.

It is, if he facilitated the Glazer take-over.

 

[RetroStu]

Imagine blaming Fergie for the state we are in.
We would certainly be showing more heart and passion on the pitch if SAF really was 'influencing' us.

 

[sp_107]

Appointing Moyes was heavily influenced by Fergie in a futile attempt to recreate the Fergie era. I mean, he literally talked about scottish national character traits which he has himself and sees in Moyes etc. Fergie tribute act was precisely apponting Moyes on his advice, not Ole's appointment.

Fergie is by no means the main culprit - it is up to owners to hire a competent CEO who in turn hires competent DoF, Manager etc. He made a mistake by recommending Moyes, but everything after that is not on him.

Fergie recommended him after he was unable to convince Klopp,Pep and Ancelotti and then he stayed away from first tram for many years in Edwoodward era.

He was not the reason any time. close this thread please

 

[rotherham_red]

Appointing Moyes was heavily influenced by Fergie in a futile attempt to recreate the Fergie era. I mean, he literally talked about scottish national character traits which he has himself and sees in Moyes etc. Fergie tribute act was precisely apponting Moyes on his advice, not Ole's appointment.

Fergie is by no means the main culprit - it is up to owners to hire a competent CEO who in turn hires competent DoF, Manager etc. He made a mistake by recommending Moyes, but everything after that is not on him.

While I agree that might have been the initial logic behind the Moyes move, the fact he binned off all of Fergie's backroom staff despite SAF's express recommendation not to, suggest that the theory did not match the practice. Moyes and SAF were very different managers with very different outlooks. Fergie chose Moyes because he felt Moyes' pragmatism would mesh well with the system he cultivated at Utd and that ultimately Moyes would develop into a Utd manager.

What Moyes did instead was implement the Preston/Everton dynamic at Utd and set us back decades in terms of lost institutional knowledge. And that's before we get to Jose's luddite moves against sports science, data, and technology which exacerbated the issues.

Ole has been working to bring that back over the last couple of years (even if the public referencing of it has been cringe at times) and actually tried to bring us back in to the modern day as well. Like I said, he's stabilised us and has done it by harking back to Fergie rather than stubbornly going his own way like Moyes, LvG and Jose did.

 

[Max_United]

It is, if he facilitated the Glazer take-over.

Where does this notion come from? I have only seen the theory that because he had a conflict with shareholders because of the horse ownership dispute they were willing to sell to Glazers. But the guys with whom he had a dispute were not even majority shareholders (28%) and they owned United via an offshore investment company, building their stake over a couple of years before. They were hardly an "owners for life" and would sell anyway if a good offer came. Plus we were publicly traded at the time, and Glazers were able to also pick the remaining 70% (and squeezed out the leftover 2%) by offering a clearly good price - which was accepted by the majority of investment funds, management and fans who owned the stock alike.

Once you are (a) publicly traded (b) your stock price does not do well (c) the large minority shareholders are not family or company founder but rather driven by financial motive - you are vulnerable to takeovers. Murdoch was also interested in 1999 I think and his offer accepted but was blocked on competition grounds. The takeover was a matter of time, leveraged of not, Glazers or not. You cannot blame Fergie for "facilitating" it one bit.

Full disclosure: I am not pro-Glazers, I just work in finance. For me doing leverage buyout (and financial investment in general) in a football club is a dubious idea from both club and investor point of view, unless perhaps you have an extremely successful "selling club" like Ajax or Dortumd -and even in this case you need considerable investment in stadium/training & youth facilities, not sure profit on player sales covers it plus expenditures plus required return on investment long-term. We went initially on London stock exchange in 1991 and looks like perfect foresight and timing to make shareholders wealthy but despite our on-pitch success the stock and shareholders did not do well until (ironically) when they got bought out by Glazers at a good price

 

[ExoduS]

Is this why we won on Saturday?
It has probably be posted elsewhere or even here, so my apologies in advance. It is so freaking good, it should be posted twice every day on every thread.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Is this why we won on Saturday?
It has probably be posted elsewhere or even here, so my apologies in advance. It is so freaking good, it should be posted twice every day on every thread.

More brilliance from Conor Moore.

 

[meamth]

He got attacked at every turn by the ex players. My point was in response to another rooster pointing out LVG did try something completely different (not sure why you’re justifying his sacking, I never disagreed there). Point is he is the only one who has tried something different where you can warrant time, the others have just played basic counter attack and direct football, and he was the one most critiqued and attacked by Neville & Co.

And buy more dutch players, mercenaries who doesn't want to be at United.

The only reason I believe why he has to be sacked, is his signings are woeful.

 

[reelworld]

And buy more dutch players, mercenaries who doesn't want to be at United.

The only reason I believe why he has to be sacked, is his signings are woeful.

Daley Blind would be perfect for this United side. Managers post LvG has been trying to replace his ball playing ability from the back with little success

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Great Post, the man was a master at the game because he was a great student of the game.
Never allowed himself to go stale, always looked to the next challenge.

Great point about Lingard, fergie ALWAYS rewarded good form, even if the selection seemed a bit off.
With Ole the players don't fear being dropped, and the squad players don't feel motivated to get a chance in the team.

The things about SAF is you can be a nobody and if u earned the starts, no matter who you are, you will start for Manutd. It rubs off all through the club. People keep pushing for starts, the level of competition was high and the notion that anyone may start the games if you work hard enough kept the club going on and on. It was the single most factor why we click into a few gears higher during second half of the season. The man was master man manager and reward them accordingly. The more i see vdb, telles, sancho on the bench while watching shaw fred mctom pogba get guaranteed starts is simply criminal.
In management term Ole isn't optimizing the clubs assets. The squad is simply not efficiently utilized.

 

[Tincanalley]

That is hyperbole, but the key issue is the Glazers came in during Sir Alex's time and he personally did very well out of it (and he still does). The horse issue was not the whole story, but it was a significant part of it*.

The problem at United is that within the club (and many fans on the outside looking in) just cannot bare to criticise Sir Alex Ferguson. How many fans who stormed the ground in May to get the Utd. vs Liverpool match postponed - disgracefully so - actually knew about how the Glazers first came to their club? Not many, I bet. They need to know about it and if the protests against the Glazers are to continue, SAF himself should not be bulletproof, just because of his achievements. If you build something wonderful, but then put a few booby-traps in place so it all comes tumbling down, should you be held in quite such high regard? That is my point.

*see Roy Kean's autobiography.

All true, sadly. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a top manager. Doesn’t mean he is not a decent man. But not a god. You make a telling point.

 

[Tincanalley]

To be fair, we shouldn’t look to find someone to copy Fergie formula of success here. It’s rarity in football and only works for Fergie. Things have changed a lot since then.

Some of the fanbase don’t seem to have clocked this, it seems.

 

[wise_old_man]

It was a super performance at Spurs yesterday - note at Spurs. I assume Sir Alex was back in Manchester, watching it down the pub.

Would Ole have been strong enough to sub Ronaldo with the great man watching over him live, I am not so sure.

You know Ole left Ronaldo on the bench against Everton just 1 month ago, right?

 

[jem]

I think the real problem is owners who couldn't give a flying one about the so-called United Way or the glorious, Fergie-led past, but are more than willing to superficially attach themselves to such things if it smoothes the path to doing the one thing they really care about: milking as much profit from this club as possible, at the minimum expense/hassle possible.

 

[Gavinb33]

The thing about Fergie was that he was a master of adaptation. For one, had no set style of play. We didn’t play every game like we did against the likes of Wigan and Bolton who we’d routinely stick 4 past, by dominating the ball and only leaving the centre backs at the back. The Arsenal masterclass of 2009, people forget, was done by us sitting back and giving Arsenal the ball, before springing on them at uncontrollable pace. At the moment, I genuinely do not know what our style of play is.

Then, you look at the way he changed his coaching staff as he started to build new teams. McClaren came in to replace Kidd in 1999, Queiroz came in as he was building the team spearheaded by Rooney and Ronaldo etc. He knew that if he didn’t change his assistants as his teams went through cycles, the club would go stale as the same voices and team talks would be heard time after time. Ole has an absolutely incompetent and inexperienced coaching staff with him now, and he isn’t good tactically himself. He’s on a hiding to nothing, and yet he refuses to change it.

Fergie was also a master of rotation. I genuinely think he’d still win the league now at 80 years old with this squad. He would constantly fine tune the tactics, change one or two players every week to keep everyone fresh, and we’d steamroll the league. Someone like Cavani would become his supersub and backup to Ronaldo, like Ole and Chicharito were. Ole’s ability to trust his squad and rotate is awful. Telles plays a good game against Villarreal and hasn’t played a minute since. Lingard scores 2 goals and makes an assist off the bench, and still doesn’t get rewarded with starts. CL semi finalist and Ballon D’or nominee Donny’s situation is simply baffling. Is it any wonder it looks as if he’s started to lose the dressing room? Under Ole, the likes of Phil Neville and coincidentally, Ole Gunnar Solskjær would have never gotten a game.

So no, Fergie’s regime and the current one share absolutely no similarities, as the media like to make out.

Good parts about the coaching and Ferguson.

I take umbrage at Telles had a good game against Villareal the man was given an absolute chastening experience by Danjuma and was lucky we didn't concede more specially in the 1st half.

That article and many of them since we lost to Liverpool fail to take into account the 5 years prior to Ole coming in we did try and move away from Ferguson with Jose and LvG neither were welded to any sort of romantic notion of the United DNA or whatever buzz word you feel like attributing to this phenom and neither worked, now it could be and rightly be argued that neither man should have been employed by the club, but then that leaves very much the same question we are in now who should it be and why?. I don't believe just saying manager x is a winner is reason enough to give them job without some over arching football philosophy in the back ground, these pundits have said for so long United need this and implementing this does take time unless you have bottomless cash and now its a very much rip it up half way through and give the keys to manager x and let him do something very different to what the over arching plan might be.

 

[Ralph1386]

More than anything, it is his presence both on and off the field which lingers on like an anchor which is the biggest hindrance in keeping the ship moving.
It is his blue eyed boys like Ole and Fletcher who get the most important roles with zero competency and record, simply based on nepotism.
He did the same with his own son too. Got him into management just on the basis of nepotism. Shoved Moyes down our throats just because he was a Scot too. He has this network within media which doesn't openly criticize his yes men within United.
We do not want to admit it. But untill he is there influencing things from behind the scenes. We will continue with this mediocrity.

I agree with you to some extent. If it wasn’t for him, there’s a good chance Ole would have been sacked last week. He never offered this kind of (unfair) protection to Moyes, LVG and Mourinho.

 

[JebelSherif]

You know Ole left Ronaldo on the bench against Everton just 1 month ago, right?

And afterwards was criticised for doing so by...... Sir Alex Ferguson (which was the point I was trying to make).

 

[Grande]

Says Jonathan Liew, not me.

Main gist of it is this:



You know, it kind of makes sense…

It makes a kind of sense but isn’t much true, as with most of what Liew writes. A pink panther makes sense but does not exist outside of fiction. Liew’s normal act is to make something out of nothing in order to pose as ‘critical journalist rooted in common sense with an eye for the surprising connection missed by others’. So much for the

This is particularily bad, even for Liew’s standards. You can go sentence by sentence to see how everything that appears like an argument is based on nothing or on contradiction.

Evra talks to Ferguson in a crisis: Evidence that Evra thinks it’s ‘nothing untoward with going’ behind the back of Moyes? It’s a crisis, for chrissakes. Had he though it was nothing untoward about it, he’d come sooner. Evidence that Ferguson holds a great unofficial power at Utd, ten years later? Because the impulsive maverick Patrice Evra thought so, ten years ago? Evidence that Ferguson influenced the manager situation at Old Trafford? When the ‘evidence’ consists of Ferguson declining Evra, explicitly saying he will not interfere in any way, that’s a tall order.

this is just the first paragraph, and it goes like this, sentence by sentence. Particularily strained hypothesies: United having four completely different managers (not counting Giggs) in eight years is evidence they are blinkered by trying to get ‘a new Ferguson’ argument? That Ferguson had something in common with each of them! I’d love to see Liew dig up the perfect candidate: A blinkered idealist who hates winning, has no working ethos or experience, is tactically disinterested, can’t handle people and knows nothing about the club culture or history. If s/he ticks all those boxes, s/he will finally be clean of the destructive ‘Fergusonism’.

Evidences of toxic Fergusonism: He is respected at the club. He has an unofficial parking space. He has once said in a private converstion with a Russion fighter that Ronaldo should start vs Everton. He looked dejected when Utd where 0-5 down to Liverpool at OT. He fitted his club suit at OT.

Examples of Fergusonism that must be done away with in a cultural cleansing(!): No more official match day dresses. Players must not have a quiz as part of team building. No more play with two wingers (How many games have we played with two wingers these last eight years?!).

Contradiction par excellence: the club chops and changes managers looking for the new Ferguson, and holds onto managers for too long because it worked with Ferguson.

Liews solution: A cultural reboot giving a young manager time to rebuild the club from academy up. Oh and sack the young manager rebooting the club building from the academy up if he doesn’t win the league in two seasons. Or if the club culture have any likenesses with any previous winning culture at the club. Because that would be Fergusonism.