Fat Joe: '50 Cent is a has-been rapper'

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Music - News - Fat Joe: '50 Cent is a has-been rapper' - Digital Spy
Fat Joe has claimed that 50 Cent is no longer relevant in hip-hop.

In an interview with MTV, Joe also insisted that the rapper-turned-actor always tries to feud with fellow New York emcees.

He said: "When he did that first interview dissing Fat Joe with you [Sway], with the candle lights and all that, he lied. When he said no one knows Fat Joe in Africa, I saw that interview from Africa and I had 70,000 people out there. There isn't a country I ain't touch in Africa.

"You talk about album sales - he went from selling 10 million albums to not even going gold this last album. So, he lost nine-and-a-half-million fans in four years. I don't really trip off him... The latest one he's going at, Puff Daddy. He has beef with Jadakiss, he has beef with Cam'ron."

He added: "Anybody we consider dope in New York, he has went at them. There ain't nobody he ain't touch. Fat Joe ain't out here trying to battle-rap everybody in the world."
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Whether hes right or wrong, surely Fat joe shouldnt talk about has-beens? The saying, takes one to know one comes to mind. Oh, and anyone who speaks like he does doesnt deserve an opinion :wenger:
 
I can remember one line by Fat Joe:

'I walk in the club with my hat down, Michael Jack style'

Thats only because I'm a big fan of MJ
 
50 hasn't done anything decent in years.
 
Fat Joe: "50 Cent is a has-been rapper."
50 Cent: "Fat Joe is a has-been rapper."

Both statements true.
 
What does Rick Ross say about this?
 
50 is damn near a billionaire though, Fat Joe is fat
 
Uncle Junior said:
"Rappers" like Fat Joe are a dime a dozen. At least 50 Cent has more than one good song.
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Could never care about rappers, hip-hoppers. All of them acts like undereducated childish spoilt kids.
 
Fat Joe's right though. Sure, Joe himself has not been on fire off late but then again he never ever sold anywhere close to even 5 million an album. 50 on the other hand needs to sell big to be considered someone in rap so he fell off hard. I mean really, to lose close to 10 million fans, and that's in the States only!
 
Youngsters... Fat Joe's been at it since the early 90s, long in the game...

He might not be selling units like 50 did, but this is a time when everyone listens to rap and it's mainstream. When Fat Joe was out (hip-hop was not mainstream) it was all Kool G Rap, Mobb Deep, Pharcyde, etc... now it's all noise/pop that sells in large numbers.

Whats his new album like anyway?
 
Count Duckula said:
Hang on, this seems to suggest that 50 Cent was ever a decent rapper in the first place.
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He was okay, did like that first album. It was not a classic though and he wont be remembered as one of the GOATs.

It's funny, he came in... finished Ja rules career... and then somehow turned into Ja Rule...
 
Fat Joe should have stuck to the hardcore shit, when he was running with DITC and Big Pun was still alive. Some of his earlier work, especially with Primo were gems
 
afrocentricity said:
Youngsters... Fat Joe's been at it since the early 90s, long in the game...

He might not be selling units like 50 did, but this is a time when everyone listens to rap and it's mainstream. When Fat Joe was out (hip-hop was not mainstream) it was all Kool G Rap, Mobb Deep, Pharcyde, etc... now it's all noise/pop that sells in large numbers.

Whats his new album like anyway?
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That's right!

Many people are too quick to judge these days. Fat Joe might have made a lot of controversial and commercial music in his more recent history, but there is a damn good reason he is one of the most respected rappers in the industry. The mother fecker came up with artists like Big L, Cam'ron when he was one of the best, Diamond D, Lord Finesse, The Beatnuts etc. Of course...D.I.T.C speaks for itself.

He may have changed now, but he still supports the movement, and his label do sign many no-names and turn them into monsters, and he still moves in the underground circles, promoting other rappers and trying to engineer their careers. He's finally made a step back in towards Hip-Hop with The Darkside, but it's still hit and miss. I loved his new single with Premier from said album, 'I'm Gone', it's beautiful.

Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem etc and the rest are has beens if we go down that route, since none of them make music anywhere near the level of quality they debuted with, and those artists aim and produce music directed at the mainstream, so what difference is there? Except Fat Joe is still making mixtapes, his Darkside will lose him money eventually, yet he acknowledges a segment of fans who supported him prior to his commercial bullshit, and the least he could do, and has done, is make an album for them.

When was the last time Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem, Mobb Deep etc honoured us, the ones who helped launch their careers? Fat Joe can and is able to talk shit because he's done more for Hip-Hop then many others. These guys are making music so different and even hypocritical of their early careers, you can't even recognize them. At least Fat Joe still understands his come-up. 50 Cent doesn't have half the career Fat Joe has, and his music can never match some of the stuff Fat Joe came out with, or helped produce himself. You look at the artists 50 Cent introduced, then you look at the artists Fat Joe signed, then you can make the comparisons.

Let's break it down. One artist helped pioneer D.I.T.C....The other brought about G-Unit.
 
adexkola said:
Fat Joe should have stuck to the hardcore shit, when he was running with DITC and Big Pun was still alive. Some of his earlier work, especially with Primo were gems
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You ever heard this shit?

Some of the lyrics are downright Vicious!


"I am a professional
I will cut your testicles
shove them in your mouth where them lil shits belong!"


Gaaaaaaadamn!!
 
Hectic said:
That's right!

Many people are too quick to judge these days. Fat Joe might have made a lot of controversial and commercial music in his more recent history, but there is a damn good reason he is one of the most respected rappers in the industry. The mother fecker came up with artists like Big L, Cam'ron when he was one of the best, Diamond D, Lord Finesse, The Beatnuts etc. Of course...D.I.T.C speaks for itself.

He may have changed now, but he still supports the movement, and his label do sign many no-names and turn them into monsters, and he still moves in the underground circles, promoting other rappers and trying to engineer their careers. He's finally made a step back in towards Hip-Hop with The Darkside, but it's still hit and miss. I loved his new single with Premier from said album, 'I'm Gone', it's beautiful.

Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem etc and the rest are has beens if we go down that route, since none of them make music anywhere near the level of quality they debuted with, and those artists aim and produce music directed at the mainstream, so what difference is there? Except Fat Joe is still making mixtapes, his Darkside will lose him money eventually, yet he acknowledges a segment of fans who supported him prior to his commercial bullshit, and the least he could do, and has done, is make an album for them.

When was the last time Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem, Mobb Deep etc honoured us, the ones who helped launch their careers? Fat Joe can and is able to talk shit because he's done more for Hip-Hop then many others. These guys are making music so different and even hypocritical of their early careers, you can't even recognize them. At least Fat Joe still understands his come-up. 50 Cent doesn't have half the career Fat Joe has, and his music can never match some of the stuff Fat Joe came out with, or helped produce himself. You look at the artists 50 Cent introduced, then you look at the artists Fat Joe signed, then you can make the comparisons.

Let's break it down. One artist helped pioneer D.I.T.C....The other brought about G-Unit.
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Meh, leave Nas out of this one mmmk? I totally disagree with you and I'm willing to bet so do millions of heads out there. Yeah there was a time when he fell of a bit but what is the last truly commercial single you've heard Nas drop?
 
Stretch said:
Meh, leave Nas out of this one mmmk? I totally disagree with you and I'm willing to bet so do millions of heads out there. Yeah there was a time when he fell of a bit but what is the last truly commercial single you've heard Nas drop?
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When was the last time Nas dropped anything near the quality of his first album?

No point in answering your question, I could quote track after track of his last three album releases.
 
Hectic said:
When was the last time Nas dropped anything near the quality of his first album?

No point in answering your question, I could quote track after track of his last three album releases.
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That is just plain stupidity for me anyways. He's never and would never touch anything close to Illmatic ever, ever, ever. It was a landscape album and one of every head's top 5 albums all time, those types of albums you don't just churn out mate. There are dozens and dozens of commercial and underground emcees that have made mega classics but can't match them. In no way does that mean anything else they make is watered down or wack. In fact, if Nas never made Illmatic then most of his catologue would be considered very good for a rapper that is considered 'mainstream' but that's also far from it. If Illmatic was a 11/10 album then Stillmatic is a 9/10, God's Son and Hip Hop is dead is at least 8/10. 7/10 for the likes of Untitled, Street's Disciple, I Am and It was written. The only really watered down period he had was his Nastradamus exploits which was a load of shit. You can now add Distant Relatives to that list and that is a certified classic. feck, name one other rapper that is 'mainstream' and has as an impressive discography?

Remove Illmatic from that list and that's a damn impressive discography. And don't fall for the hype, Nas was always going to 'sell out' since he made that very clear on his first album. Forever talking about 'let's get this money' and 'I'm getting paid' shit...

Rant over.
 
Stretch said:
That is just plain stupidity for me anyways. He's never and would never touch anything close to Illmatic ever, ever, ever. It was a landscape album and one of every head's top 5 albums all time, those types of albums you don't just churn out mate. There are dozens and dozens of commercial and underground emcees that have made mega classics but can't match them. In no way does that mean anything else they make is watered down or wack. In fact, if Nas never made Illmatic then most of his catologue would be considered very good for a rapper that is considered 'mainstream' but that's also far from it. If Illmatic was a 11/10 album then Stillmatic is a 9/10, God's Son and Hip Hop is dead is at least 8/10. 7/10 for the likes of Untitled, Street's Disciple, I Am and It was written. The only really watered down period he had was his Nastradamus exploits which was a load of shit. You can now add Distant Relatives to that list and that is a certified classic. feck, name one other rapper that is 'mainstream' and has as an impressive discography?

Remove Illmatic from that list and that's a damn impressive discography. And don't fall for the hype, Nas was always going to 'sell out' since he made that very clear on his first album. Forever talking about 'let's get this money' and 'I'm getting paid' shit...

Rant over.
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I liked Stillmatic better than Illmatic:nervous:
 
Stretch said:
That is just plain stupidity for me anyways. He's never and would never touch anything close to Illmatic ever, ever, ever. It was a landscape album and one of every head's top 5 albums all time, those types of albums you don't just churn out mate. There are dozens and dozens of commercial and underground emcees that have made mega classics but can't match them. In no way does that mean anything else they make is watered down or wack. In fact, if Nas never made Illmatic then most of his catologue would be considered very good for a rapper that is considered 'mainstream' but that's also far from it. If Illmatic was a 11/10 album then Stillmatic is a 9/10, God's Son and Hip Hop is dead is at least 8/10. 7/10 for the likes of Untitled, Street's Disciple, I Am and It was written. The only really watered down period he had was his Nastradamus exploits which was a load of shit. You can now add Distant Relatives to that list and that is a certified classic. feck, name one other rapper that is 'mainstream' and has as an impressive discography?



Remove Illmatic from that list and that's a damn impressive discography. And don't fall for the hype, Nas was always going to 'sell out' since he made that very clear on his first album. Forever talking about 'let's get this money' and 'I'm getting paid' shit...

Rant over.
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There's a difference. He chose to move away from Illmatic. He changed his sound, his style and the platform of production in all other albums. You certainly can't reproduce Illmatic, but you can still produce music near or at that level, perhaps not consistently, but it's not impossible. Mobb Deep made albums and albums of material that matched their debut. So did Cormega, hell even K-Murdock produces to the level he first did from years ago. You don't just make money and decide enough is enough of that, you move that decision to redefine your music and career and reach bigger audiences. To do this Nas had to embrace the commercial appeal, which was at the expense of his music. Sure the lyrics might have to have changed, but then why move from productions? Compare the production choice of his last few albums and his first few.

Nas moved away from everything that Illmatic was. Untitled is a joke. Hip-Hop is dead wasn't comparable and Street Disciple was awful. Stillmatic showed that he still had the ability, just not the desire to produce music aimed at a smaller crowd.

Nas still has the ability to produce a classic. And he said himself last month that he regrets not moving closer to the Illmatic sound in his following albums, and promises to produce another album reminiscent of that class. Now that's from the man himself. He has more then enough ability to sacrifice an albums sales to make something for the real fans, and the genre he pledges his love too, which incidentally is what he's doing now.

The music Nas makes nowadays is a joke compared to his first 2-3 albums worth. I don't like Distant Relatives, but can understand it's appeal so I'll leave that one out, but past 2000, Nas slowed down big time. Stillmatic is still very good, but then that was 9 years ago.
 
Hectic said:
There's a difference. He chose to move away from Illmatic. He changed his sound, his style and the platform of production in all other albums. You certainly can't reproduce Illmatic, but you can still produce music near or at that level, perhaps not consistently, but it's not impossible. Mobb Deep made albums and albums of material that matched their debut. So did Cormega, hell even K-Murdock produces to the level he first did from years ago. You don't just make money and decide enough is enough of that, you move that decision to redefine your music and career and reach bigger audiences. To do this Nas had to embrace the commercial appeal, which was at the expense of his music. Sure the lyrics might have to have changed, but then why move from productions? Compare the production choice of his last few albums and his first few.

Nas moved away from everything that Illmatic was. Untitled is a joke. Hip-Hop is dead wasn't comparable and Street Disciple was awful. Stillmatic showed that he still had the ability, just not the desire to produce music aimed at a smaller crowd.

Nas still has the ability to produce a classic. And he said himself last month that he regrets not moving closer to the Illmatic sound in his following albums, and promises to produce another album reminiscent of that class. Now that's from the man himself. He has more then enough ability to sacrifice an albums sales to make something for the real fans, and the genre he pledges his love too, which incidentally is what he's doing now.

The music Nas makes nowadays is a joke compared to his first 2-3 albums worth. I don't like Distant Relatives, but can understand it's appeal so I'll leave that one out, but past 2000, Nas slowed down big time. Stillmatic is still very good, but then that was 9 years ago.
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What makes me dislike him (I used to listen to him as well) was that he was exactly what he rapped against in his songs (especially in Hip Hop is dead). He moved to the more commercial side of Hip Hop to sell more and get more money and on the other hand he sang about that Hip Hop nowadays was only about getting money, cars, hoes blah blah.
That was pretty cringeworthy if you ask me.

BTT: Fat Joe himself is pretty much exactly what you would define as a has-been rapper. He is still right though, 50 Cent has become so whack it's unreal.
 
Anyway, I stand by what I said.

Hectic said:
Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem etc and the rest are has beens if we go down that route, since none of them make music anywhere near the level of quality they debuted with, and those artists aim and produce music directed at the mainstream, so what difference is there?
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And you have pretty much enforced that. We've established he doesn't make music near the level of quality he started with, and his focus is now on the mainstream and commercial success. In what way is that different to Fat Joe? I'm not saying FJ is better, of course he isn't, but in what way are they that different? Nor am I saying he's a has been. I'm not talking about the nitty gritty of their songs and comparisons between their music and message, but in terms of identifying the genre, audience and reasons behind the music for each artist, they are virtually the same.
 
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