Have you gone 3-5-2/3-4-3 at any point at all this season?
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.....I know Spurs’ defending is bad, but don’t go overboard
You're asking for troubles here mate, it's an United forum
but I agree with you.People keep comparing the current United players with the current Spurs players, which imo is not accurate and not fair. They've already forgot how shitty our players were under Jose.
If you want to compare the two sides, you must think about the United players under Jose, and how much that guy could make those Spurs players look worse than they actually are.
I mean I wouldn’t go that far. Lloris and Aurier are not good enough.
The rest for sure is debatable especially the midfield. Hogberg and Ndombele are good players.
Spurs biggest problem is their defence, which individually is way below a top 4 standard. Think you’ve been very kind to Lloris and Aurier. I wouldn’t take them as back up.
Lloris has consistently ranked among the best shot-stoppers in europe for several years now, and still does this season. Admittedly so does Henderson over these two seasons, but he's played little in the league this season and it's ultimately one season and 8 games vs several seasons
I rate Aurier. Yes he has some ludicrously dumb mistakes in him, but overall i think the good outpaces the bad. And he really offers a lot going forward. Or maybe i just don't rate Wan-Bissaka highly enough, i dunno. I think as it stands he'd be better off in a back 3 to be honest, as the RCB
Because it was, in fairness
it was a slow morning and i was bored 
They caught on too quickYou're asking for troubles here mate, it's an United forum
Aside from the silly player by player comparisons, i do think there is very little between united and spurs in terms of individual quality. Mostly United have a better bench, but the starting XI are pretty even i'd say
Coaching is the difference
I agree with giorno
Only difference between Spurs and current RM team is coaching.
With Zidane as coach, they would be in the CL finals again.
Only difference between Spurs and current RM team is coaching.
With Zidane as coach, they would be in the CL finals again.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on Dean, as is usually the case with keepers; all down to opinion. I just think he’s a better goalkeeper.
With AWB though, as I said, it’s not like a Pogba vs Ndombele or Shaw vs Reguilon decision where both are top class players. I don’t even rate him that highly as he really needs to improve on the ball. Whether he can play RCB or not, I just simply think that Aurier is honestly one of the worst RBs in the league. On good days, he makes one assist and a few mistakes, and on bad days, he makes the game 12v10 in the favour of whoever plays against Spurs.
The Spurs squad is not bad in terms of talent.
The problem is Mourinho and his approach to games - score a goal and then sit deep, cede possession and try to see the game out (except they can never see the game out and so they always drop points).
A better, more positive manager, would get improved performances (and results) from their squad.
The problem is Mourinho and his approach to games - score a goal and then sit deep, cede possession and try to see the game out (except they can never see the game out and so they always drop points).
A better, more positive manager, would get improved performances (and results) from their squad.
Like Poch used to for example?
True. Its not as good as it was 3-5 years ago when they had the likes of Eriksen and Verthongen, but they are comfortably better than Everton, Arsenal and West Ham
As @Bobcat says above, Mourinho doesn't have a prime Eriksen to call upon, but yes, Pochettino's Spurs were a lot better than Mourinho's version.
The thing is, Spurs are still capable of performing well, as evidenced by the way they have generally started games this season. The problem is that Mourinho appears to have given them instructions that as soon as they get the lead they must sit deep and try to see out the game (either that or they simply aren't fit enough to sustain their early-game performance level). Either way, they aren't good enough defensively to withstand long periods of pressure. These stats from Sky Sports make for stark reading:
Essentially, Spurs' first half performances are among the best in the league, while their second half performances are among the worst.
That's very surprising coming from Mourinho. He'd play the games themselves without the ball if he could.
Yeah it's definitely a top 4 capable squad based purely off of the fact they have Kane and Son. They have the second best pure 9 in world football and one of the top attacking mids/2nd striker in the league. Both of those walk into every team in the league. Then they have the likes of Bale, Ali, Moura, regulion, Ndombele etc. Their defense isn't as strong as it was but if they played a more attacking brand of football they have enough fire power to be a force.
A lot easier on the eye as well. Must frustrate the life out of Spurs fans that they have a team that is much better than this considering the quality they have. (Or certainly what they are allowed to be).
I'd say Lloris is on a comparable level to De Gea and Henderson, with not much to separate either way. Shaw beats Reguilon, Maguire beats any Spurs CB, last CB spot is pretty much a toss-up between Lindelof and whoever you see as Spurs best CB. Wan-Bissaka is on balance I think better than Aurier or Doherty. Hojbjerg is better than any DM United has, but Pogba is better than Ndombele, and Bruno is way better than any AMC Spurs have. Son beats Rashford, Kane beats any striker we have and on the right there's rather a shortage of first-rate alternatives, on both teams. I suppose you could argue Rashford, since Son gets the left spot.
Do you have a link or two?
If you combined Aurier and Doherty into one player, Wan Bissaka would still be better.
Lloris has consistently ranked among the best shot-stoppers in europe for several years now, and still does this season. Admittedly so does Henderson over these two seasons, but he's played little in the league this season and it's ultimately one season and 8 games vs several seasons
I rate Aurier. Yes he has some ludicrously dumb mistakes in him, but overall i think the good outpaces the bad. And he really offers a lot going forward. Or maybe i just don't rate Wan-Bissaka highly enough, i dunno. I think as it stands he'd be better off in a back 3 to be honest, as the RCB
Because it was, in fairness
They caught on too quick
Aside from the silly player by player comparisons, i do think there is very little between united and spurs in terms of individual quality. Mostly United have a better bench, but the starting XI are pretty even i'd say
Coaching is the difference
This is a hilarious last line as every time United don't win with a good performance the whole forum is awash with talk of how poor our coaching supposedly is.
Since mid December they've won 7 out of 20 league games.
Leeds are only team in top half they've beaten. Lost to all of Liverpool (twice), Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Leicester and two Manchester clubs since December 16th.
Dumped out of two cup competitions in that period.
Interestingly Kane and Son have both started 18 of those 20 games aswell. Indeed think both have only actually missed two league games all season.
Leeds are only team in top half they've beaten. Lost to all of Liverpool (twice), Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Leicester and two Manchester clubs since December 16th.
Dumped out of two cup competitions in that period.
Interestingly Kane and Son have both started 18 of those 20 games aswell. Indeed think both have only actually missed two league games all season.
His big game record has been pretty awful dating back to his last months at United.
Since THAT 2-3 vs City i think he's barely won any.
Wasn't just his last months.
His entire reign here his big game record was pretty crap.
They've lost 9 of those 20. By comparison, we've lost 1 of the last 20.
That's horrific. Jose's got to go, surely? Presumably there are end-of-season targets which he'll miss and he'll be sacked then.
He dined out on a couple of 0-0s at Anfield (and also beating them at OT when Rashford had a great game) and also that Chelsea home win he was getting plenty of plaudits in the press even though it meant little in the context of that league season.
In fairness to him given the situation the europa league final was very big for Man. United and he got it right.
Think the Sevilla home defeat is big turning point in later part of his career, lost the FA cup final two months later so think that's when the cloak of invincibility in the big finals and knock out ties started to crumble.
Guess there's a disconnect between the Hilarious Online Bantz and Sponsorship departments over at Dulux. I'm kinda happy with that - in addition to how it's funny how it hits Spurs, I really don't like these companies (and many clubs) desperately trying to funny on social media.
I bet Levy is absolutely fecking furious.
new sponsor just takes the absolute piss! It’s hilarious, and incredibly embarrassing for Spurs. Even their sponsors don’t take them seriously.
lads it’s spurs…
new sponsor just takes the absolute piss! It’s hilarious, and incredibly embarrassing for Spurs. Even their sponsors don’t take them seriously.
lads it’s spurs…
That's what the person who posted those tweets said when they were called into the boss' office.
Went to check FC reaction on Pogba's interview, found this from March..
Ooh, found it, see ya soon
this week
Ooh, found it, see ya soon
Is there a Utd forum where Utd fans give out loads of nicknames? We don't do it on here, there must be a land of misfit toys for Utd fans who get thrown off here and then spend time coming up with weird names for oppositions teams.
"another _ years trophyless for them"
Hold on? Is he aware of which club he supports?
Hold on? Is he aware of which club he supports?
They're going in on that "aspiring to be 12 points above Tottenham" as if they weren't the ones who brought it up as if we care how far ahead of them we are, we're more concerned with City.
as if we care how far ahead of them we are, we're more concerned with City.From the same Mourinho thread on Fighting Cock:
I had to post this article, just because of the headline, which isn't fecking about.
Where next for the soul-sapping sociopath Mourinho when Spurs finally see sense?
Is Jose Mourinho's time running out at Tottenham Hotspur? The manager's methods are forming a cycle all too familiar with Premier League fans.
thefootballfaithful.com
Note: I haven't read it, it's probably just the same old shit, but the title made me laugh.
I had to post this article, just because of the headline, which isn't fecking about.
Where next for the soul-sapping sociopath Mourinho when Spurs finally see sense?
Is Jose Mourinho's time running out at Tottenham Hotspur? The manager's methods are forming a cycle all too familiar with Premier League fans.
thefootballfaithful.com
Note: I haven't read it, it's probably just the same old shit, but the title made me laugh.
Probably just one of those absolute weirdos who supports Jose and just follows him from club to club.