FAO The Moderators

T'would be feckin' quiet around here without the loons. The more thoughtful posters on here are not prone to the knee jerk reactions of our muppet brethren and hence don't feel the need to rack up 30 posts a day speculating about end of era, incoming transfers, sack Fergie sell Giggs bullshit. On average we get around 40 new United threads per day and 10 or so in the transfer forum, is there ever that much to discuss? (I can encompass a whole week of United on the phone to my old man in 10 minutes), lose the shit threads, the cut & pastes and the repeats and you'd all be whinging that the place was too quiet.

We've done the best goals, best matches, favourite players, worst buys, best shirts type threads a thousand times and tend to only get drawn into debate on issues that we feel cover new ground rather than rehash the same old shit again and again.

For the newcomers who have not seen the original threads, I can see how they start but it does become irritating to the rest of us. The Newbie forum serves to let them get some of this out of their systems, and as one of the poor feckers tasked with reading the fifteenth "Which team do you hate the most" thread in there, believe me when I say it could be far worse in here.

The Championship Manager shit pisses me off as much as anyone here, I've never touched the game and have no desire to but the way it produces football experts who seem to think they are above criticism because they won the league with United on a computer game is pisspotical, it would be like Davo claiming he had a life because he plays the Sims. :p

You can't go censoring it though, for a start we'd be here all day. Besides, you are denying the newbies the chance to grow up on here and make a more valid contribution when they realise that the computer game bollocks have nought to do with the real team and start watching the games with a more informed, critical eye. There's a half dozen or so regular posters on here now who make good positive contributions to this place who were irritating little know nowts who's every post got my back up when I first registered here 3 years back.
 
I hate to say this... but KopTalk's system of needing 500 posts before you get nominated for promotion into the first team forum seems quite a logical move...

As Bury Red said above, we need a grace period where newbies get certain things out of their system and grow up a bit. We don't need to hear them yap (sorry yaps! :p ) about same old boring stuff over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again... it does get tiresome for many of us...

I also agree with paying for the forum, I think Niall's hardwork has gone unnoticed by a lot of these loons and they seem to take full advantage of it by spilling their garbage on here regularly.
 
RUnited said:
Not that we are complaining about the MODs here .
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Now if you read the original post in this thread he is blaming the mods.

Thats why i said if he doesn't like it he can go somewhere else.


If we started locking deleting every post we dont like there would be loads of "Why was my topic locked" threads appearing all over the place.

Now what is a serious United fan?
 
stoned.rose said:
Now if you read the original post in this thread he is blaming the mods.
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I don't see you guys as being the ones to blame because of the workload it will become, so I won't defend him there.

But then, who else can any of us vent our feelings to if not you? Who else are in a better position to improve things? These are genuine and valid complaints coming from more sensible posters and it seems they are going to be overlooked.

If we started locking deleting every post we dont like there would be loads of "Why was my topic locked" threads appearing all over the place.
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Maybe the 500 posts system for newbies to get promoted could work. It's usually the newbies who post the same things or the crazy stuff over and over and over again anyway...

Now what is a serious United fan?
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my fault, I meant sensible ones...

Don't get me wrong here though.. I do see the point of the Caf becoming a boring place so there must be a right balance of things... but certain things are just too irritating to bear and it will drive more sensible posters away...
 
I just don't see the 500 posts things working as it would just encourage people to post more drivel to get on quicker while the less monosylabbic posters would take an eternity to get through and may just piss off. It would also create an us & them mentality which isn't good for the forum.

There are Newbies who have come through with as many if not more valid points as some of the older heads, just because someone has newly discovered the caf they are not necessarily less worthy of a hearing.

We have been through the whole routine of having a quiet little room off the caf where the posters are hand picked but things get quiet after a while for all the reasons I outlined earlier. It's a football club at the end of the day and although it approaches a religion for many of us, there is still not enough goes on day to day to keep a stream of conversation going. Most of the old heads are still around and check in on an almost daily basis, post something that interests them and they will respond however much of it has been done before so coming up with a topic to grab the attention ain't that easy.
 
RUnited said:
I hate to say this... but KopTalk's system of needing 500 posts before you get nominated for promotion into the first team forum seems quite a logical move...
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What do you think the Newbie forum is for?

The reason they're being let in is because members of the admin team are just letting them in when they've posted a few times (or that was the case when I was there).

But you have to look at it from both sides, I wouldn't want to sift through the shite in the newbie forum either.
 
Bury Red, in the 500 posts system, you are not neccessarily guaranteed promotion once you reach 500. It simply allows longer grace period for lunatics to feck off or grow up. Newbies can still read the first team forums, but cannot post in them. This way they will know what to expect once promoted.

Obviously sensible posters will be spotted and given early entry into the main forum.

The system would need more MODs operating however, since as Blythy has pointed out there just aren't enough among the MODs who are willing to do the dirty work.

My suggestions:

1. We have spies working in the Newbie so the newbies don't know who they're talking to. This way it won't be difficult to spot the sensible posters. I'm sure a few posters would love to do this job. Melvin for example, he's here all the time anyway and he's not half bad at judging potential prospects.

2. Get more MODs. There are more sensible posters who deserve this job and it seems the current number of MODs is not enough.

3. Make this a paying forum. Let's have a vote to see who will be willing to pay for this site. This way Niall may be able to hire someone to seriously moderate the forum.
 
RUnited said:
I'm sure a few posters would love to do this job. Melvin for example, he's here all the time anyway and he's not half bad at judging potential prospects.

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Thank you

;)

But wouldn't it be comical that I judge them while having the status of junior member?

;)
 
Did I read that right? Did he really put forward his "proposals"? Did he really propose Melvin? Is he fecking mad? Or is he actually just one of the breed of poster being discussed in this thread?
 
Is Dans a cnut?

Is he the only one is this thread?

Yes
 
Dans said:
Did I read that right? Did he really put forward his "proposals"? Did he really propose Melvin? Is he fecking mad? Or is he actually just one of the breed of poster being discussed in this thread?
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What's wrong with a proposal anyway? It seems we are all complaining about the same thing and the MODs have mentioned they will look over this complaint. It is true that more sensible posters will leave the Caf and it has already been mentioned that many are refrained from getting in because of the reputation we have here.

Melvin is actually here all the time so he's definitely a candidate... in any case we should definitely keep him busy so he won't post 100posts a day like he is doing at the moment... ;)
 
I can see both sides of this,its sad when a serious discussion gets broken up by a post of **** is shite sack him,esp if its a top player going through a bad spell.
I do act the twat in the general forum but adhere to only posting of a serious nature in the football forum as the posters in here tend to be of the more sensible breed.
Speaking as a newly made mod(and Im sure Bury and Wib will agree here)its not as easy it looks.We can only ban/delete things which are of offence to a big majority.Opinions are like arseholes,we all have one and we do have to respect others voice-however stupid it maybe at times.There are posters on here whom I think are wums,twats etc but I know others enjoy reading their posts and debating with them,so I have to put up with them.We have to ignore our own opinions and go with what you lot want.I accept that we cant please everybody all the time but we are trying to keep as many of you happy at any one time as we can.
 
Is the new secret forum set up yet?

Give me as a shout when you want a finalished member list...it won't take me long to complete
 
Davo said:
Is the new secret forum set up yet?

Give me as a shout when you want a finalished member list...it won't take me long to complete
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instead of creating a secret forum why not simply relegate the disillusions fans back into the newbies.. wouldn't that be easier to do?
 
RUnited said:
instead of creating a secret forum why not simply relegate the disillusions fans back into the newbies.. wouldn't that be easier to do?
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Do you want to be relegated to the newbie forum?

Exactly
 
As I originated tis discussion, I think my opinion counts now.

I like the idea of an forum for recognised good posters. A newbie forum is what we need. Cut out the wheaf from the chaf.

Lets face it, most of us can tell the difference between the good and bad posters.

I would also have no objection to pay a small fee to join any forum.

I also think that in the long run we would gain for more quality members than we would lose. If a quality forum is available, people will want to be involved.
 
MPTutd said:
As I originated tis discussion, I think my opinion counts now.

I like the idea of an forum for recognised good posters. A newbie forum is what we need. Cut out the wheaf from the chaf.
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There is a newbie forum already - we don't get access to it as established members, unless of course you sign up under a new user name.

As for paying, I don't honestly think that would ever work. People would just find somewhere else to post.
 
Just a suggestion. Maybe to solve this problem we could also add in another sub-board which will be more strictly moderated for more serious discussions.
 
The main problem on here is the age differences as well we've now got a load of kids and posters who are in their 40's and they have a totally different outlook on United or even football in general.

I blame sky for glamourising football to the masses. They should have left us hooligans just get on with it. ;)
 
MPTutd said:
What are you actually trying to achieve with this site?.

When I first came on the site around 3 years ago, it was full of knowledgeable United fans who cared and knew about the club. Their opinions were always worthwhile reading and although you did not always agree with their opinions, you knew that they knew what they were talking about.

However, in the past year or so, so many of them have left and been replaced by a new breed of poster that knows very little about the club, its traditions and the team.

My question to you is:

Are you going to take a tougher stance on this to take the forum back to the days when it was a well informed site, or are you going to let this site decend into a forum of unknowledgable United 'fans' that represent everything that is bad about the club and who fans of other team believe we all are?.
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I can relate to some of your points, unfortunately its difficult to extensively moderate what people say because a different contingent of board members feel that their posts are too childish or they don't have enough knowledge of United in order to be Red Cafe members. Its a very subjective proposition that while satisfying one side, is also sure to alienate another.

The best model is to allow a free exchange of ideas that allows each member to decide whether or not they want to participate in a thread. My philosphy is that if you post something that articulate and well thought out, then you're likely to get similar responses. If a member makes a childish or uninformed post, then they're likely to get similar responses. The best way to eliminate some of the issues in your original post is for you to actively participate in the fourm and start and support the type of threads you feel that the forum lacks. The last sentence really applies to every long time poster who feels that the board isn't what it was 3-4 years ago.
 
RUnited said:
Melvin for example, he's here all the time anyway and he's not half bad at judging potential prospects.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

He would command respect like a true dictator... ;)
 
blythy said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

He would command respect like a true dictator... ;)
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my suggestion stemmed from 2 reasons:

1. He's posting 100 posts per day. True he's keeping the forum active, but surely there must be better ways to put his time here to better use. He's only 15, his addiction, if not moderated, will only get worse. After all, we do care about our fellow posters, don't we? ;)

2. You can easily spot the loons when they're talking to Melvin. It seems they speak the same language. This way we can weed out the crazy posters using Melvin as bait. :smirk: :p

No offence Melvin. :angel:
 
Raoul said:
The best model is to allow a free exchange of ideas that allows each member to decide whether or not they want to participate in a thread. My philosphy is that if you post something that articulate and well thought out, then you're likely to get similar responses. If a member makes a childish or uninformed post, then they're likely to get similar responses. The best way to eliminate some of the issues in your original post is for you to actively participate in the fourm and start and support the type of threads you feel that the forum lacks. The last sentence really applies to every long time poster who feels that the board isn't what it was 3-4 years ago.
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Spot on Raoul, though it'll take a flood of sensible posters to outweigh the nutters ;)

Seriously, there is not enough going on about United at any time to warrant 100+ posts a day yet there are people here who seem to think that is a guage to what makes a serious poster.
 
Gazza said:
Just ignore and don't respond to the posts or posters you dislike.
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Nah, then we won't have these debates:

Davo/AEBM/Murt vs Devislish
Marching vs DJS
 
blythy said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

He would command respect like a true dictator... ;)
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But a dictator will only speak, but doesn't have the skills i.e wise decision making, flexibility and careful planning

:smirk:
 
RUnited said:
my suggestion stemmed from 2 reasons:

1. He's posting 100 posts per day. True he's keeping the forum active, but surely there must be better ways to put his time here to better use. He's only 15, his addiction, if not moderated, will only get worse. After all, we do care about our fellow posters, don't we? ;)

2. You can easily spot the loons when they're talking to Melvin. It seems they speak the same language. This way we can weed out the crazy posters using Melvin as bait. :smirk: :p

No offence Melvin. :angel:
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Oi!

;)

But having something other than junior member as a custom name by moderating the newbies or whatever is one job taht I'll take up

;)
 
Bury Red said:
T'would be feckin' quiet around here without the loons. The more thoughtful posters on here are not prone to the knee jerk reactions of our muppet brethren and hence don't feel the need to rack up 30 posts a day speculating about end of era, incoming transfers, sack Fergie sell Giggs bullshit. On average we get around 40 new United threads per day and 10 or so in the transfer forum, is there ever that much to discuss? (I can encompass a whole week of United on the phone to my old man in 10 minutes), lose the shit threads, the cut & pastes and the repeats and you'd all be whinging that the place was too quiet.

We've done the best goals, best matches, favourite players, worst buys, best shirts type threads a thousand times and tend to only get drawn into debate on issues that we feel cover new ground rather than rehash the same old shit again and again.

For the newcomers who have not seen the original threads, I can see how they start but it does become irritating to the rest of us. The Newbie forum serves to let them get some of this out of their systems, and as one of the poor feckers tasked with reading the fifteenth "Which team do you hate the most" thread in there, believe me when I say it could be far worse in here.

The Championship Manager shit pisses me off as much as anyone here, I've never touched the game and have no desire to but the way it produces football experts who seem to think they are above criticism because they won the league with United on a computer game is pisspotical, it would be like Davo claiming he had a life because he plays the Sims. :p

You can't go censoring it though, for a start we'd be here all day. Besides, you are denying the newbies the chance to grow up on here and make a more valid contribution when they realise that the computer game bollocks have nought to do with the real team and start watching the games with a more informed, critical eye. There's a half dozen or so regular posters on here now who make good positive contributions to this place who were irritating little know nowts who's every post got my back up when I first registered here 3 years back.
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I think you have made some pretty fair points there.
My impression of this forum after using it for a week or too was that although I enyoyedposting about transfers and ideal team formations there is only so much you can say before this gets repetitive.

I seem to have come in for a fair amount of flack about a post called "Dream Team" in which I listed my own personal "worst ever" Utd team. Having looked back over the thread if I did anything wrong it was probably that I jumped down Melvynoes throat a bit too quickly after his reply, for which I apologise to Melvynoe if he is reading this.
However the fact that I have dared to include a couple of the current squad in the "Dream Team" seems to have pissed people off the most. And for this reason I notice that RUnited for instance would like to see a greater censoring of posts by the moderators.
I also notice that despite me acknowledging to WeasteDevil on a separate thread that he was actually right about Quinton Fortune's age I am still singled out as one the moderators should "keep an eye on".

Frankly if someone isn't able to make an innocent mistake or post something that someone doesn't agree on then what sort of forum does that leave? A pretty dull one for sure.

Here's hoping that the moderators take a more relaxed view than some of the forum users otherwise the posters with something a little "off the wall to say" may well take the exit door voluntarily leaving a pretty humourless collection of posters.

Cheers
 
EricVanCoppell said:
I think you have made some pretty fair points there.
My impression of this forum after using it for a week or too was that although I enyoyedposting about transfers and ideal team formations there is only so much you can say before this gets repetitive.

I seem to have come in for a fair amount of flack about a post called "Dream Team" in which I listed my own personal "worst ever" Utd team. Having looked back over the thread if I did anything wrong it was probably that I jumped down Melvynoes throat a bit too quickly after his reply, for which I apologise to Melvynoe if he is reading this.
However the fact that I have dared to include a couple of the current squad in the "Dream Team" seems to have pissed people off the most. And for this reason I notice that RUnited for instance would like to see a greater censoring of posts by the moderators.
I also notice that despite me acknowledging to WeasteDevil on a separate thread that he was actually right about Quinton Fortune's age I am still singled out as one the moderators should "keep an eye on".

Frankly if someone isn't able to make an innocent mistake or post something that someone doesn't agree on then what sort of forum does that leave? A pretty dull one for sure.

Here's hoping that the moderators take a more relaxed view than some of the forum users otherwise the posters with something a little "off the wall to say" may well take the exit door voluntarily leaving a pretty humourless collection of posters.

Cheers
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Yes, you're the loon who thought that Fortune was a "Youth Player", and that Giggs deserved the earbashing he got from certain fans last season.

Wierdo!
 
Not only were you wrong about Fortune, but you gave "mouth" about it!
 
And it was the "Giggs" part of what you said that pissed me off!

You might never see a player like him again in your lifetime. The service that he has given this club, yet he has an off form period, and.........

It lacks respect!
 
WeasteDevil said:
Yes, you're the loon who thought that Fortune was a "Youth Player", and that Giggs deserved the earbashing he got from certain fans last season.

Wierdo!
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Someone who has posted 20 thousand messages to an internet forum calls someone else a weirdo. Sure you're not the weirdo buddy - or do you just not have a life outside the internet?!!!!!

Pal I'm not going to engage in a running internet "handbags at three paces" battle with you.

I have offered my perspective - take it or leave it!
 
EricVanCoppell said:
Someone who has posted 20 thousand messages to an internet forum calls someone else a weirdo. Sure you're not the weirdo buddy - or do you just not have a life outside the internet?!!!!!

Pal I'm not going to engage in a running internet "handbags at three paces" battle with you.

I have offered my perspective - take it or leave it!
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I'm not only taking of your disrespect for this great club, nor your lack of basic knowledge either, but your stupid cocky swagger! Did you ever see Steve Coppell play? Suppose you must have done.

And considering that I have not touched a computer between 6pm and 11pm maybe tells you I can have a life on many a front, and still get my work done? :smirk:
 
EricVanCoppell said:
I have offered my perspective - take it or leave it!
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Why should I? You are the type of fan this club could well do without IMO!
 
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