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It started out interesting - then funny - then it got just a bit creepy.

And we're now in full on, deranged-lunatic mode.
 
Plechazunga said:
Alright. So the issues are, What constitutes racism? and If something is not racist, but could be interpreted as such, is it wrong to say it?

Now tell me how you could possibly interpret what I said before as racist. I admitted it was probably too sensitive an area to go around just calling whoever you like simian. But what i said was very different from that. Any black person, or a person afflicted with high sensitivity like yourself, should be able to see from the context that I was not being derogatory towards black people. If they can't, they're too stupid to understand the conversation and can feck off.

It's one thing being very careful about language. It's another censoring language, maintaining that ANY use of a particular term or metaphor or whatever is WRONG. For instance, if a ballet reviewer wrote a glowing review of a black dancer, in which they praised his sophistication, intelligence, genius etc., then went on to say he was "as sleek as a cat, as nimble as a monkey, as graceful as a flamingo" or some such guff, should we castigate the cnut for racism? What about if they're black themselves. It's complicated.

Well done fighting racism in the seventies and all that, must've taken some guts. But that was only the beginning of the battle - fighting against raw bigotry. Surely the fight can only be won when people stop having to censor their speech, thus differentiating between people of different colour. When if someone thinks Sean Wright-Phillips looks like a chimp (which he does, as does George Bush, as doesn't, say, Ainsley Harriot, or Hasselbaink, or Dr Dre), they can say so. Course we're not there yet, but talking about the complications involved might help, shouting everyone down as racist doesn't.

By the way, monkeys aren't a backward step in evolution from humans. We didn't evolve from monkeys and all living monkeys are just as evolved as we are.
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So let me get this right do you think we should still use words like Nigger, coon...etc? Firstly, we don’t have freedom of speech, and we never had since the law was created. Would you find it acceptable for someone to go around shouting that child abuse or rape were good, no it would create violence. And no one would dare to say the things I hear on hear to my face because they know they would get their arse licked.

laws and rules can make people think and judge things on a rational basis. If I go to a football match and hear racist calls I pull people up. I never go to the games with my wife because occasionally we hear racist chat and it upsets both of us. I go with a group of mates, but why should I have to feel awkward? If people want to be racist that’s there choice but I do not want it to spoil my entertainment



On the evolution front you know damn well that the truth about evolution is different from how racists use it. If you don’t you should!



BTW have you started a thread that united fans should not get upset over Munich jibes and not be bothered? Just wondered!
 
Red Sea said:
No and its not easy to id a person it takes time and to spot all of them is difficult but I am certain of a number of posters!

But stalking no, not the right term.
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Tell me who they are then. I can't promise to ban all of the alternate ids but we don't allow ones that are for the purposes of being a WUM outside the General.

Kemo and CITR are exceptions because we support care in the community.

BTW one of the ips you have posted from is idential to one 33 other posters have used at one time or another.
 
And I can understand how you would be more sensitive about the racism if your wife is black. I couldn't give a shit what people think or say to me (to a large degree anyway) but I would have far lower tolerance if the comments were aimed at one of my family.

If there are comments you find racist then report them. We have frequently warned and/or banned people for such things. If nothing else it will avoid this sort of mess.
 
Wibble said:
Tell me who they are then. I can't promise to ban all of the alternate ids but we don't allow ones that are for the purposes of being a WUM outside the General.

Kemo and CITR are exceptions because we support care in the community.

BTW one of the ips you have posted from is idential to one 33 other posters have used at one time or another.
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So what are you saying I have other login names

:lol: :lol:

Good to see you've been checking. Why not ban me there you have an excuse. I would rather die than not have the bottle to fight my own battles!
 
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Red Sea said:
So what are you saying I have other login names

:lol: :lol:

Good to see you've been checking. Why not ban me there you have an excuse. I would rather die than not have the bottle to fight my own battles!
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Chill out mate. I neither had nor presently have any suspicions that you have an later ego and even if you did I wouldn't delete it unless it was causing trouble outside the general forum. I was merely pointing out that ip addresses mean not a great deal in many cases since larger isp's and dynamic ips often make them a poor tool for weeding out people with multiple usernames.

Tell me (or another mod/admin if you think I have something against you - feck knows why you would but .... ) and we will look in to it. Otherwise please do us all a favour ans stop going on about cowards hiding behind multiple usernames - its getting very boring.

I'm not sure why it is any more (or less) cowardly to "hide" behind more than one username than it would be to "hide" behind just the one. We can all say pretty much what we want from the safety of our homes on here anyway so where does the cowardice bit come in?

That said I will look at any usernames you suspect of being alter egos. Try me.
 
I'm surprised you're still replying to Red Sea as politely as you are, Wibbs

I would just turn off my computer and hide
 
I'm Red Sea. I use that account to get debates started. I once insulted myself too, it was quite amusing ... though most people didn't get it.

Thus says Red Sea :cool:
 
Wibble said:
Chill out mate. I neither had nor presently have any suspicions that you have an later ego and even if you did I wouldn't delete it unless it was causing trouble outside the general forum. I was merely pointing out that ip addresses mean not a great deal in many cases since larger isp's and dynamic ips often make them a poor tool for weeding out people with multiple usernames.

Tell me (or another mod/admin if you think I have something against you - feck knows why you would but .... ) and we will look in to it. Otherwise please do us all a favour ans stop going on about cowards hiding behind multiple usernames - its getting very boring.

I'm not sure why it is any more (or less) cowardly to "hide" behind more than one username than it would be to "hide" behind just the one. We can all say pretty much what we want from the safety of our homes on here anyway so where does the cowardice bit come in?

That said I will look at any usernames you suspect of being alter egos. Try me.
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To be honest I would guess that I know quite a bit about IP addresses. Boring well if you want to read the post over and over again that’s your choice, as I do not see it on lots of other threads I find it surprising comment as you could ignore the post. Although perhaps not!

But you will have your wish I think its best if I leave in a week or so, I think its pointless continuing with so many posters backing themselves up and using it as an excuse to have a pop. Gutless wimps, and it doesn't say much for the forum.


One thing I can promise I will never ever say I'm leaving then come back. And I also know there will be no cries to stay. As I love and crave debate I only get caught up in childish arguments that I must admit have started to impinge on my work.
 
Watch yerself Woody, Red Sea's ethos are such that he won't take kindly to gentle ridicule. He'll cyber-slap you with his dueling glove.
 
Gazza said:
I'm surprised you're still replying to Red Sea as politely as you are, Wibbs

I would just turn off my computer and hide
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He has obviously got upset about something and I want to give him the chance to sort it out. If he can't or won't tell me (or another mod/admin) what is (or might be going on) that so upsets him, thus giving us a chance to see if his complaint is reasonable and sort things out if it is, then my politness quotient will rapidly decline.
 
Wibble said:
He has obviously got upset about something and I want to give him the chance to sort it out. If he can't or won't tell me (or another mod/admin) what is (or might be going on) that so upsets him, thus giving us a chance to see if his complaint is reasonable and sort things out if it is, then my politness quotient will rapidly decline.
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No need!
 
Red Sea said:
To be honest I would guess that I know quite a bit about IP addresses. Boring well if you want to read the post over and over again that’s your choice, as I do not see it on lots of other threads I find it surprising comment as you could ignore the post. Although perhaps not!

Sorry but I don't know what your are saying here.

But you will have your wish I think its best if I leave in a week or so, I think its pointless continuing with so many posters backing themselves up and using it as an excuse to have a pop. Gutless wimps, and it doesn't say much for the forum.

My wish? What are you on?

Unless you tell me who these posters are who are backing themselves up and where these arguments are how can anyone do anything? I can't check your suspicions unless you tell me what they are. Unless you still think that I am Giggsy for some strange reason


One thing I can promise I will never ever say I'm leaving then come back. And I also know there will be no cries to stay. As I love and crave debate I only get caught up in childish arguments that I must admit have started to impinge on my work.
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Who is stopping debate. If you think someone is by using multiple aliases then TELL US WHO YOU SUSPECT so that we can check it out.
 
Red Sea said:
No need!
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For what? No need to sort it out? or?????

If there was no need to sort something out then what where you complaining about. An offer of a meeting behind the bike sheds is hardly the best way to sort anything out, especially not on an internet forum.

Why won't you let us investigate what you suspect. What is the worst that can happen?
 
Wibble said:
For what? No need to sort it out? or?????

If there was no need to sort something out then what where you complaining about. An offer of a meeting behind the bike sheds is hardly the best way to sort anything out, especially not on an internet forum.

Why won't you let us investigate what you suspect. What is the worst that can happen?
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Nothing is going to sort it out. I asked posters who go to Manchester or live in Manchester the opportunity to say the things they did face to face. It seems like they declined.

I will say no more unless someone else chooses to and for the next week I will have a go back.
 
Red Sea, you're not the first internet hard man we've seen on here. It doesn't take a genius (or a PhD, for that matter) to see the irony; you accuse us of being cowards and hiding behind our computer screens, while you've spent the last few hours doing the same. Of course you can tell us about your ethos and how you'd meet us outside Old Trafford so you could kick the shit out of all of us ... and I'm sure you'll feel tempted to invite me by the time you're done reading this ... but you know very well that no one with enough brain power to operate a computer would meet a stranger from the internet who's already told them he's going to kill them.

DaPleasurendaPain, Footballah, Devilish, Red Sea, you're all the same ... Perhaps you should get together in Hull.
 
Why would it suprise you if someone declined a rather dubious invitation to meet in person to "sort it out"? You might be 4 foot tall but come with a group of nutters, you might be Mike Tyson on a bad day and you might be a loon with a knife. You might also just want to give someone a good talking to but given that you can do that here it seems unlikely.

I'm sure there are people who could fold you in half and post you with one hand tied behind their back (and others you could flatten) but I doubt anyone from either category would want to meet up with you since you seem to ignore what others say and or do once you are annoyed. It might be an incorrect impression but physically threatening people on the internet is a bit odd to say the least.

After all this is just an internet discussion forum.
 
Mr. Wood said:
Red Sea, you're not the first internet hard man we've seen on here. It doesn't take a genius (or a PhD, for that matter) to see the irony; you accuse us of being cowards and hiding behind our computer screens, while you've spent the last few hours doing the same. Of course you can tell us about your ethos and how you'd meet us outside Old Trafford so you could kick the shit out of all of us ... and I'm sure you'll feel tempted to invite me by the time you're done reading this ... but you know very well that no one with enough brain power to operate a computer would meet a stranger from the internet who's already told them he's going to kill them.

DaPleasurendaPain, Footballah, Devilish, Red Sea, you're all the same ... Perhaps you should get together in Hull.
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Yer right, so its safe to give it out over a computer, yes I do think you are a coward.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying, doc.

You're giving it out on a computer as well. The difference is, I'm not claiming to be hard.
 
Wibble said:
Why would it suprise you if someone declined a rather dubious invitation to meet in person to "sort it out"? You might be 4 foot tall but come with a group of nutters, you might be Mike Tyson on a bad day and you might be a loon with a knife. You might also just want to give someone a good talking to but given that you can do that here it seems unlikely.

I'm sure there are people who could fold you in half and post you with one hand tied behind their back (and others you could flatten) but I doubt anyone from either category would want to meet up with you since you seem to ignore what others say and or do once you are annoyed. It might be an incorrect impression but physically threatening people on the internet is a bit odd to say the least.

After all this is just an internet discussion forum.
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Exactly some posters are cowards who hide behind a computer, anything I say I will say infront of someone or behind one.

And all I've done is ask if people want to say those words to my face? I find it strange you seem to think slagging a poster off behind a computer is good. Or yet again maybe not!

Fold me in half behind their back

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Mr. Wood said:
That's exactly what I'm saying, doc.

You're giving it out on a computer as well. The difference is, I'm not claiming to be hard.
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No and I'm not starting it, but to be honest I doubt whether genuine hard nuts do start abuse behind a computer!
 
Wibble said:
Why would it suprise you if someone declined a rather dubious invitation to meet in person to "sort it out"? You might be 4 foot tall but come with a group of nutters, you might be Mike Tyson on a bad day and you might be a loon with a knife. You might also just want to give someone a good talking to but given that you can do that here it seems unlikely.

I'm sure there are people who could fold you in half and post you with one hand tied behind their back (and others you could flatten) but I doubt anyone from either category would want to meet up with you since you seem to ignore what others say and or do once you are annoyed. It might be an incorrect impression but physically threatening people on the internet is a bit odd to say the least.

After all this is just an internet discussion forum.
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BTW I'm willing to take the chance, but I don't start the abuse. So why shouldn't others who start the abuse?
 
Red Sea said:
Exactly some posters are cowards who hide behind a computer, anything I say I will say infront of someone or behind one.

And all I've done is ask if people want to say those words to my face? I find it strange you seem to think slagging a poster off behind a computer is good. Or yet again maybe not!

Fold me in half behind their back

:lol:
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Jesus Christ you're slow ... No one will meet you, you're a creepy internet guy (and a paranoid one at that) who keeps threatening people.

Your invitations are a hollow offer as far as I can tell - you know no one's going to meet you, so you can show off your mighty ethos by inviting the whole bloody forum.

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Mr. Wood said:
Jesus Christ you're slow ... No one will meet you, you're a creepy internet guy (and a paranoid one at that) who keeps threatening people.

Your invitations are a hollow offer as far as I can tell - you know no one's going to meet you, so you can show off your mighty ethos by inviting the whole bloody forum.

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Contradicting yourself there. another with lots of logins what a wimp!
 
Very sly of you, dodging the question like that.

Quit being a girl and answer the question :smirk:
 
Where did you go, Red Sea? It can't take that long to track my IP address ...

I wouldn't be in such suspense if you weren't hiding in invisible mode ...
 
Mr. Wood said:
Why haven't you answered the question?
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I have no idea I've never checked you out, but I'd be surprised if like most on here youve got numerous login names!

What ever I am I never have nor ever will back myself up with other login names, only cowards do that, it some how fits.
 
Red Sea said:
Exactly some posters are cowards who hide behind a computer, anything I say I will say infront of someone or behind one.

And all I've done is ask if people want to say those words to my face? I find it strange you seem to think slagging a poster off behind a computer is good. Or yet again maybe not!

Fold me in half behind their back

:lol:
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We all say things more freely on an internet forum partly because of the anonymous nature of the exchange. That is partly what makes forums such interesting places. In real life we often hold back for a variety of reasons - mostly valid.

I don't like internet bullying any more than any other type. But you don't seem to be in need of protection.

BTW do you thump or threaten to thump people who piss you off in real life.

Or perhaps you behave a bit differently when not on the internet.

Or perhaps not.
 
Red Sea said:
I have no idea I've never checked you out, but I'd be surprised if like most on here youve got numerous login names!

What ever I am I never have nor ever will back myself up with other login names, only cowards do that, it some how fits.
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You already accused me of having numerous login names, now you're retracting it.

You're clearly full of shite. You're willing to accuse two posters of being the same person (and they combined would probably equal Davo's post count...) but you won't simply tell me where I live.

You said earlier that it was quite easy to check an IP, why don't you do it?
 
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