FAO Nesta Muppets......
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I personally find Nesta to be a better all-around defender, and I don't think Rio will ever be as good as he is. However, Rio is a better option, for he would probably fit into United's squad better than Nesta. That is just my opinion.
Amir, we need 2 defenders if we are to be strong at the back. 1 defender is still abit cutting it close.
We have O'Shea, Brown and....no one else.
Blanc might stay.
and who else? May? Do you see how thin on the ground we are?
An injury (which is likely with Brown) would wreck everything, Blanc is not gonna last a whole season is he? 2 games a week? He will have to be rested. And what if Brown is needed at RB? G.Nev is injured for start of the season for example.
We need more strength. Ideally we'd get 1 CB plus 1 full back who can cover as CB.
Guys, we dont know for sure how well Nesta will fit our team. Anything is possible. Rio definitely has a bit of a laddish culture, how would he do here?
For all we know, Nesta could come in, instill some Italian organisation, calmness and technique into our play, into our youngsters on the training pitch and be a huge influence to all around him. Cantona did far more for us than perform on the pitch.
We have O'Shea, Brown and....no one else.
Blanc might stay.
and who else? May? Do you see how thin on the ground we are?
An injury (which is likely with Brown) would wreck everything, Blanc is not gonna last a whole season is he? 2 games a week? He will have to be rested. And what if Brown is needed at RB? G.Nev is injured for start of the season for example.
We need more strength. Ideally we'd get 1 CB plus 1 full back who can cover as CB.
Guys, we dont know for sure how well Nesta will fit our team. Anything is possible. Rio definitely has a bit of a laddish culture, how would he do here?
For all we know, Nesta could come in, instill some Italian organisation, calmness and technique into our play, into our youngsters on the training pitch and be a huge influence to all around him. Cantona did far more for us than perform on the pitch.
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Amir, we need 2 defenders if we are to be strong at the back. 1 defender is still abit cutting it close.
We have O'Shea, Brown and....no one else.
Blanc might stay.
and who else? May? Do you see how thin on the ground we are?
An injury (which is likely with Brown) would wreck everything, Blanc is not gonna last a whole season is he? 2 games a week? He will have to be rested. And what if Brown is needed at RB? G.Nev is injured for start of the season for example.
We need more strength. Ideally we'd get 1 CB plus 1 full back who can cover as CB.
Guys, we dont know for sure how well Nesta will fit our team. Anything is possible. Rio definitely has a bit of a laddish culture, how would he do here?
For all we know, Nesta could come in, instill some Italian organisation, calmness and technique into our play, into our youngsters on the training pitch and be a huge influence to all around him. Cantona did far more for us than perform on the pitch.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good post.
Thanks veron.
I agree with you, we can manage 3 central midfielders. What Im worried about is Scholesy, he has not been himself for so long, not scoring goals for club or country, not doing much for most games. Every now and then he is his normal self, but his decline is a worry.
For this reason I think perhaps Veron should be given more of a chance, I'm sure he can do better next year, just in case Scholesly fails to perform - versus Brazi, he was defending more than Butt - he should stand up and be counted. But few players do it seems. If we stand by Veron in his darkest hour, he will shine through for us and he'd be red all the way. I think. This is our oppotunity to get Veron to love this club. That said, we do need money tho.
just hope Fergie gets it right. He will decide who is the best defender for us.
I agree with you, we can manage 3 central midfielders. What Im worried about is Scholesy, he has not been himself for so long, not scoring goals for club or country, not doing much for most games. Every now and then he is his normal self, but his decline is a worry.
For this reason I think perhaps Veron should be given more of a chance, I'm sure he can do better next year, just in case Scholesly fails to perform - versus Brazi, he was defending more than Butt - he should stand up and be counted. But few players do it seems. If we stand by Veron in his darkest hour, he will shine through for us and he'd be red all the way. I think. This is our oppotunity to get Veron to love this club. That said, we do need money tho.
just hope Fergie gets it right. He will decide who is the best defender for us.
I agree. I hope Scholes turns it on for ever more. One of my fave players, mainly cos I play alot like him.
I reckon Veron has a great chance of being sold. I was just saying that this is a fantastic chance to get him on our side. Think about the Beckham 98 situation, everyone in the world (bar family/friends) was against him. We stood by him and now he loves us more than ever.
Its the same with Veron now. The whole world is against him it seems, if the fans stood by him, he'd love us.
He is a football romantic - not a mercenary. He loves Lazio for the adventures he had and the adoration he shared with fans. Bit like Cantona in that sense. He created a bond with Lazio and now is our chance to create a bond with him. Probably wont happen though, both parties will lose out here.
I reckon Veron has a great chance of being sold. I was just saying that this is a fantastic chance to get him on our side. Think about the Beckham 98 situation, everyone in the world (bar family/friends) was against him. We stood by him and now he loves us more than ever.
Its the same with Veron now. The whole world is against him it seems, if the fans stood by him, he'd love us.
He is a football romantic - not a mercenary. He loves Lazio for the adventures he had and the adoration he shared with fans. Bit like Cantona in that sense. He created a bond with Lazio and now is our chance to create a bond with him. Probably wont happen though, both parties will lose out here.
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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One of my fave players, mainly cos I play alot like him.
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how much 'like' him ???
you could make a bit a money out of that one mate
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Things going Rio's way which Nesta doesn't have:
Rio is 2 years Nesta's younger.
Premiership experience.
Has played with Becks, Butt, Scholes, Nevilles etc.
Would suit out style (cn't be sure if Nesta would as he has played his whole life in Italy)
Speaks English.
Nesta also wants to stay in Rome. Rio is open to negotiations.
Rio is 2 years Nesta's younger.
Premiership experience.
Has played with Becks, Butt, Scholes, Nevilles etc.
Would suit out style (cn't be sure if Nesta would as he has played his whole life in Italy)
Speaks English.
Nesta also wants to stay in Rome. Rio is open to negotiations.
Kemo i'm glad to see you've kept your cool, your consider, concise and evaluated comments show your temperament, which can only be compared to that of a man like Sven. I think there would be no better man than yourself to manage this team,
Buffon
Nesta & Ayala & Samuel & Roberto Carlos
Totti & Zidane & Figo & Ronaldinho
Ronaldo & Vieri
Oooppps i'm sorry it doesn't exist does it, or is it your translucent vision of the united team for next season, hhhmmm i dont know, inform me pls!
Buffon
Nesta & Ayala & Samuel & Roberto Carlos
Totti & Zidane & Figo & Ronaldinho
Ronaldo & Vieri
Oooppps i'm sorry it doesn't exist does it, or is it your translucent vision of the united team for next season, hhhmmm i dont know, inform me pls!
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I think perhaps I should resurrect the kemo wish list thread as I do believe there are dozens, I say dozens, of names to be added.
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Cigar for once your wrong. I hate Zidane, I don't rate Figo and Buffon and Virei are shirts! Samuel is unbuyable, Ayals too old, Carlos to expensive. So where is the wish list now/ <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
I consider Nesta to be a huge risk frankly. Blanc, Ferdinand, Brown and O'Shea doesn't sound thin at all to me. One experienced center half, another intenational with good experience, another youngish player with good experience and a youngster with very few matches. Not perfect, but not bad. No, we're not looking for a stop-gap, but Fergie has asked Blanc to stay and I doubt he's going to make him backup. Thinking long term is good but you also have to think short term and not rock the boat. We lost a lot of experience with Irwin and Johnsen going, so having our best defender from last season still around will be imporant.
He wants Laurent to partner who ever he will sign and it will only be one player. Fergie already knows if Blanc will stay or not (probably yes, if he wants to keep on playing he won't take technical directors jobs and such) and if he is staying I see no chance of us signing two center halves. Maybe one who can also play left back (Don't know anyone available...), but not two cultured ones. Why can't Blanc last a whole season? He just did and only missed something like three or four matches. He was not asked to stay as back up, no way.
Why did Alex talk about Nesta? Hmm... Smokescreen, as everyone keeps trying to guess? We have admitted interest in both Ferdinand and Nesta but does anyone really think we'll be trying to sign both? I didn't think so.
Veron is supposed to give us extra creativily from midfield, but if he goes, we'll have to invest money into a new midfield/winger, one who can add a bit of magic that is simply lacking and was missed in matches against Arsenal and Liverpool. A player like Duff would be a big help, doesn't mean it has to be Duff ofcource.
He wants Laurent to partner who ever he will sign and it will only be one player. Fergie already knows if Blanc will stay or not (probably yes, if he wants to keep on playing he won't take technical directors jobs and such) and if he is staying I see no chance of us signing two center halves. Maybe one who can also play left back (Don't know anyone available...), but not two cultured ones. Why can't Blanc last a whole season? He just did and only missed something like three or four matches. He was not asked to stay as back up, no way.
Why did Alex talk about Nesta? Hmm... Smokescreen, as everyone keeps trying to guess? We have admitted interest in both Ferdinand and Nesta but does anyone really think we'll be trying to sign both? I didn't think so.
Veron is supposed to give us extra creativily from midfield, but if he goes, we'll have to invest money into a new midfield/winger, one who can add a bit of magic that is simply lacking and was missed in matches against Arsenal and Liverpool. A player like Duff would be a big help, doesn't mean it has to be Duff ofcource.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Cigar for once your wrong. I hate Zidane, I don't rate Figo and Buffon and Virei are shirts! Samuel is unbuyable, Ayals too old, Carlos to expensive. So where is the wish list now/
The wish list has disappeared it seems. I'm distraught and will contact a mod in order that we might revive this thread and add the 30 or so new names you have put forward in recent weeks kemo. That'll make 50 or so in total this summer.
Hmmm...buying both Nesta and Rio...let's see:
Rio- would go for say 30m plus 50k per week wages for about 6 years. Would eventually take the captain's armband (unless Becks gets it). Would probably stay a Red for life and become a legend.
Nesta- would go for say 35m, but United get a discount after waving the remaining 10m or so...so Nesta cost say 25m. Now, the tricky part would be his wages. Would he want 80k or even 100k per week? Let's say he settles for 70K per week. BTW, United also have Veron as leverage and could offer a straight swap that includes waiving the Stam fee. Veron earns roughly 70k a week or so, so Nesta fits right in if Veron is gone.
Ok, two world class CBs for 30m and Veron. Nesta and Rio set the world on fire for two years while O'Shea and Mexes groom. Brown plays RB/CB this season, the moves to RB permanently once Mexes arrives (summer '03 for 6-10m). United then either sell off Nesta for say 40m, maybe more, and allow the better of O'Shea or Mexes to partner Rio at CB in 04-05. Gazza either moves on or becomes a squad player as Brown has matured into a top RB. Micky is at LB or sold off to Italy/Spain between now and 2004, and if so, Wayne Bridge is the United LB.
A world class defense for two years, followed by an all-time defense for four to six years.
Rio- would go for say 30m plus 50k per week wages for about 6 years. Would eventually take the captain's armband (unless Becks gets it). Would probably stay a Red for life and become a legend.
Nesta- would go for say 35m, but United get a discount after waving the remaining 10m or so...so Nesta cost say 25m. Now, the tricky part would be his wages. Would he want 80k or even 100k per week? Let's say he settles for 70K per week. BTW, United also have Veron as leverage and could offer a straight swap that includes waiving the Stam fee. Veron earns roughly 70k a week or so, so Nesta fits right in if Veron is gone.
Ok, two world class CBs for 30m and Veron. Nesta and Rio set the world on fire for two years while O'Shea and Mexes groom. Brown plays RB/CB this season, the moves to RB permanently once Mexes arrives (summer '03 for 6-10m). United then either sell off Nesta for say 40m, maybe more, and allow the better of O'Shea or Mexes to partner Rio at CB in 04-05. Gazza either moves on or becomes a squad player as Brown has matured into a top RB. Micky is at LB or sold off to Italy/Spain between now and 2004, and if so, Wayne Bridge is the United LB.
A world class defense for two years, followed by an all-time defense for four to six years.
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Thanks Marcello, I plan to start a new CM game soon and I was really wondering what to do with the back four.
Now I have the master plan...
Now I have the master plan...
Hopefully today's events will put this pie in the sky Nesta pipe dream to sleep forever.
What developements?
Inter can't afford him and in addition he said he wont go to another Serie A rival save for Juve, who claim he is too expensive. Ac Milan have already claimed they've got all they want on their official website. Real Madrid don't want him, Barca can't afford him and Man Utd are the only ones stil in the running with Lazio owing em 11m pounds. so what makes you think he is not on the way. Remeber the Veron purchase?
Inter can't afford him and in addition he said he wont go to another Serie A rival save for Juve, who claim he is too expensive. Ac Milan have already claimed they've got all they want on their official website. Real Madrid don't want him, Barca can't afford him and Man Utd are the only ones stil in the running with Lazio owing em 11m pounds. so what makes you think he is not on the way. Remeber the Veron purchase?
This is my Man Utd motto - You never know. Whether its results, transfers, sales, anything can and often does happen with this club.
Fergie is after 2 defenders I'm sure of it. Rio is one. The other may be a CB or a FB.
Fergie is after 2 defenders I'm sure of it. Rio is one. The other may be a CB or a FB.
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>What developements?
Inter can't afford him and in addition he said he wont go to another Serie A rival save for Juve, who claim he is too expensive. Ac Milan have already claimed they've got all they want on their official website. Real Madrid don't want him, Barca can't afford him and Man Utd are the only ones stil in the running with Lazio owing em 11m pounds. so what makes you think he is not on the way. Remeber the Veron purchase?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Must you be spoonfed the obvious each time. I'm talking about the likelyhood of Rio coming to us.
Raoul Brown will remain backup for the centerbacks and Gary whether Blanc remains or not. Unless Mexes is purchased. If another experienced Center back comes in to replace Blanc expect Brown to bench after last seasons antics. Any ways, I don't mind us getting Rio but my probs with him are simple.
No doubt he is a great defender. In my opinion he will be the next Beckenbauer. He is as comfortable on the ball, a great game reader, quick in thought and speed and a great leader plus natural organiser. And with age on his side and size he is bound to become as good as the German going forward. I doubt however if he is a man marker. For me he is the consumate sweeper. A thing which United don't need since Blanc is already a sweeper.
For Nesta he has proved a great man marker in the Baresi mould. And has all the atributes that Rio has and is more exprienced. That is why I would prefer him becasue what Blanc needed last season was a game reading partner who was a man marker and not as injury pron as Johnsen. Because that is why United looked solid with a man marker sweeper partnership. i.e Blanc-Johnesen
Well we shall see if a Rio-Blanc Partnership can WORK. The jury is out there.
No doubt he is a great defender. In my opinion he will be the next Beckenbauer. He is as comfortable on the ball, a great game reader, quick in thought and speed and a great leader plus natural organiser. And with age on his side and size he is bound to become as good as the German going forward. I doubt however if he is a man marker. For me he is the consumate sweeper. A thing which United don't need since Blanc is already a sweeper.
For Nesta he has proved a great man marker in the Baresi mould. And has all the atributes that Rio has and is more exprienced. That is why I would prefer him becasue what Blanc needed last season was a game reading partner who was a man marker and not as injury pron as Johnsen. Because that is why United looked solid with a man marker sweeper partnership. i.e Blanc-Johnesen
Well we shall see if a Rio-Blanc Partnership can WORK. The jury is out there.
What's happening to Kemo - there was actually some logic behind that post. Amazing. But I would say that with Blanc in his last season your worries are unfounded. If we signed Ferdinand, Blanc would play a lesser role this season - personally I think O'Shea will be give more games and Brown will also play a lesser role.
By the way kemo - you can register your displeasure wth scouse Ginger Davo by voting for him in the general forum poll.
By the way kemo - you can register your displeasure wth scouse Ginger Davo by voting for him in the general forum poll.
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Are you German, Kemo?
Wow, what a topic I've found!
By reading some of you, I wonder how many times have you REALLY watched The Minister of Defense playing...
Every person with good judgement and enough football experience declared Sandro Nesta the best defender on Earth, BY FAR! End of story. Rio is very good, a talent, but he can only be Nesta's personal shoe-shiner. And I am not saying this because I am a Lazio fan, since our captain is about to be sold to Inter. My heart aches, but having had the privelege to watch and cheer the best player on Earth "pound for pound", eases the pain. "Oh Captain, my Captain...", thanks for all the triumphs, for every sigle day at Lazio, since that distant sunday in 1994.
By reading some of you, I wonder how many times have you REALLY watched The Minister of Defense playing...
Every person with good judgement and enough football experience declared Sandro Nesta the best defender on Earth, BY FAR! End of story. Rio is very good, a talent, but he can only be Nesta's personal shoe-shiner. And I am not saying this because I am a Lazio fan, since our captain is about to be sold to Inter. My heart aches, but having had the privelege to watch and cheer the best player on Earth "pound for pound", eases the pain. "Oh Captain, my Captain...", thanks for all the triumphs, for every sigle day at Lazio, since that distant sunday in 1994.
Piersifal you really are Nesta's Elfie aren't you?
Originally posted by Piersifal:
<strong>Wow, what a topic I've found!
By reading some of you, I wonder how many times have you REALLY watched The Minister of Defense playing...
Every person with good judgement and enough football experience declared Sandro Nesta the best defender on Earth, BY FAR! End of story. Rio is very good, a talent, but he can only be Nesta's personal shoe-shiner. And I am not saying this because I am a Lazio fan, since our captain is about to be sold to Inter. My heart aches, but having had the privelege to watch and cheer the best player on Earth "pound for pound", eases the pain. "Oh Captain, my Captain...", thanks for all the triumphs, for every sigle day at Lazio, since that distant sunday in 1994.
And the Oscar goes to...
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Forgive my bad english, Dans: what's Elfie?
Vigorous defender and willing shag partner of St. Fab of Barthez.
ie. You are vigorous defender and willing shag partner of St. Sandy of Nesta.
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Vigorous defender and willing shag partner of St. Fab of Barthez.
ie. You are vigorous defender and willing shag partner of St. Sandy of Nesta.</strong><hr></blockquote>
More simple: once you listen to Mozart for years, you don't like listening to Salieri, at least you can tell them apart.
True world class players don't come around frequently: I had the chance to witness one, raised in my neighbor. Can you say the same about yourself?