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Here's something that might interest you..... ;)

After being shackled by Ferdinand, Internazionale ace Ronaldo said: "He`s not like any other English centre back.

"My job is to get past people and score goals but he was in control against me.

"He`s also good with the ball at his feet and I believe he was the best centre back at the tournament."
 
I'm no Nesta muppet but this is a very poor argument if you're using it to support your claim that Rio is better than Nesta. When it comes to such compliments, Nesta's probably had billions more ;)
 
Btw Raoul, why do you seem so offended when ppl would like Nesta to come anyway? Rio or Nesta both are fine by me and I'm sure many others think so, it's cool either way.
But you seem to have a certain dislike towards ppl liking Nesta over Rio and come over as angry (in a contained way, using sarcasm and irony to "hit back") in such situations.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>I'm no Nesta muppet but this is a very poor argument if you're using it to support your claim that Rio is better than Nesta. When it comes to such compliments, Nesta's probably had billions more ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

When's the last time a player the calibre of Ronaldo has made a comparable statement such as the above, about Nesta ?

I'm waiting... ;)
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Ronaldo means we will meet again at Old Trafford <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Open random newspapers or type the name "Nesta" on search engines and look. Look this guy was Lazio Captain when he was in his early 20s, and you also know about the hype surrounding him. Where do you think any type of hype around players come from? Guessed it right: through quotes of important ppl in the business, through what ppl say about him, through media, etc etc.

Also, Ronaldo isn't even close to his form of before his injury, although it's a nice compliment to receive anyway.
 
Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>Btw Raoul, why do you seem so offended when ppl would like Nesta to come anyway? Rio or Nesta both are fine by me and I'm sure many others think so, it's cool either way.
But you seem to have a certain dislike towards ppl liking Nesta over Rio and come over as angry (in a contained way, using sarcasm and irony to "hit back") in such situations.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not in the least bit offended by it. I just prefer Rio and am defending my point of view.
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Ronaldo's arguement is pathetic. He never played against Nesta and neither did he watch the Italian games so he should stop lying to him self.


To prove this further remeber when he had jsut moved to Inter, and he was at his best and he Played Straousborg and he was man marked by a Nigerian called Godwin Okpara. Ronaldo said quote: "The Nigerian was good. The toughest defender I have ever played against...."
And now where may I ask is this Nigerian?

So much for Ronaldo's judgement and yours if you beleive him for that matter Rio muppet. :rolleyes:
 
i'd have rio over nesta everytime... the latter hasn't been at his best this year..and looks a pale shadow of the player thats been widely regared as the best defender in the world...
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>Four weeks ago you wanted Thuram. What's your view now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

4 weeks ago, Ferdinand's availablity wasn't the subject of press reports. I'd rather have Ferdinand if he is available. For obvious reasons. He's English, he's better, he's younger, and would be the ideal player around which to build our defence.
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I surely think Ronaldo has played against Nesta.He got one of his injuries against Lazio in an Italian Cup match.
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Runeldu's ergooement is pezeeteec. He-a nefer pleyed egeeenst Nesta und neeezeer deed he-a vetch zee Iteleeun gemes su he-a shuoold stup lyeeng tu heem selff. Tu prufe-a thees foorzeer remeber vhee he-a hed jsoot mufed tu Inter, und he-a ves et hees best und he-a Pleyed Streuoosburg und he-a ves mun merked by a Neegeriun celled Gudveen Ookpera. Runeldu seeed qooute-a: "Zee Neegeriun ves guud. Bork bork bork! Zee tuooghest deffender I hefe-a ifer pleyed egeeenst. Um de hur de hur de hur...." Und noo vhere-a mey I esk is thees Neegeriun? Su mooch fur Runeldu's joodgement und yuoors iff yuoo beleeefe-a heem fur thet metter Reeu mooppet. Um de hur de hur de hur. :rulleyes:

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Kemo - Thou pribbling milk-livered measle. ;)

Who are you to question Ronaldo's opinion of who is the best defender. Think about that. You're a limited fan who is attempting to discredit the personal opinion of one of the greatest players of our generation. Find a better way to propogate your nonsense.
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Originally posted by Richter:
<strong>I surely think Ronaldo has played against Nesta.He got one of his injuries against Lazio in an Italian Cup match.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Indeed. Problem is he was injured after six minutes!
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Indeed. Problem is he was injured after six minutes!</strong><hr></blockquote>

He got scared of Nesta lol
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.Originally posted by Raoul: Runeldu's ergooement is pezeeteec. He-a nefer pleyed egeeenst Nesta und neeezeer deed he-a vetch zee Iteleeun gemes su he-a shuoold stup lyeeng tu heem selff. Tu prufe-a thees foorzeer remeber vhee he-a hed jsoot mufed tu Inter, und he-a ves et hees best und he-a Pleyed Streuoosburg und he-a ves mun merked by a Neegeriun celled Gudveen Ookpera. Runeldu seeed qooute-a: "Zee Neegeriun ves guud. Bork bork bork! Zee tuooghest deffender I hefe-a ifer pleyed egeeenst. Um de hur de hur de hur...." Und noo vhere-a mey I esk is thees Neegeriun? Su mooch fur Runeldu's joodgement und yuoors iff yuoo beleeefe-a heem fur thet metter Reeu mooppet. Um de hur de hur de hur. :rulleyes:
Kemo - Thou pribbling milk-livered measle.

Who are you to question Ronaldo's opinion of who is the best defender. Think about that. You're a limited fan who is attempting to discredit the personal opinion of one of the greatest players of our generation. Find a better way to propogate your nonsense.


Raoul thou fool. Thou needst a new brain <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

Ronaldo hath not neared his best. Stopping him on current form proveth sa easy as stopping Hasselbaink. Which lesser defenders than Rio have done afore. So keepst thou thy rumbling criticisms as whenst thou displayeth ignorance it sues bad for they health. Doteth no more on Rio being better than Nesta
 
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Lets stop this farce.

I think its ridiculous for anybody to say that Rio is the best in the world. First of all, he has not done anything. No medals, no awards - not even close. He has had a great world cup, best defender there. But Butt was the best PLAYER there - is he the best player in the world full stop? Pele said so! COME ON!!!

Lets get real...Hyppia has by far and away outshone Rio domestically for a number of years, close to winning awards etc all the time, Rio has had a very average year for a defender at Leeds - which is where we ought to be focusing on. Some may say John Terry, Gallas, and even our own Brown in his last few games have outshone Rio.

Rio did not turn Leeds into a brick wall, our defense is even worse than theirs, Rio himself is often seen as a weakness - can we afford another weak link? Great player, great potential, but not finished article, not best in world, not even close to being "King of the CBs" - undisputed CB champion etc. I would buy him, £30m - I'd think twice. Wouldn't get him cos he is best in world or cos he can solve our problems, but bcos he has great potential and is better than Thuram/Ayala.

As for Nesta, he isnt all that either. He is no Stam, he may have the best reputation, and maybe deserves it, but I doubt he will come in and do any better than Blanc has done. Brown will outshine Nesta if they played together.

Neither of these players will come in and turn things around for us, for that to happen we need our midfield, our other defenders and our manager/coaches to turn things around.
 
Don't discount the credible opinions of footballers. I'd be more inclined to listen to what Ronaldo has to say about Rio, than what anyone on this board who more the most part have only seen him on TV, and have never suited up against him have to say. In the end its always one persons opinion, but a footballers opinion of one of his colleagues tends to have alot more credibility than what non playing fans have to say.
 
Does it occur to you that he was asked and he gave an answer? Rio was the best at the tournament, but lets face it there weren't any real show stoppers were there? Ronaldo echoed what many people have said, Rio has had a fantastic tournament. But Ronaldo was with him for 70 minutes, we're gonna be with him for years. Its his weakness that he doesnt keep it 100% for 90 minutes.

Keep in mind that Rio was in a defensive team, with lots of protection from the midfield, a very organized team that played on the counter attack ala Liverpool. Defense was our priority sadly.

Henchoz and Hyppia shine in this role, even more so than Rio did. I'm sure Blanc and Brown would too.

But would any of them shine in our defence? Where the midfielders attack relentlessly and we're often hit by counter attack. Could Rio keep his concentration whilst we're attacking or would a sudden counter attack catch him unawares? Would Rio have made a mistake after 90 minutes against Ronaldo?

After 38 games, was Rio the best in the world? Its only been a few weeks since. Rio has not grown THAT MUCH these last 5 games, he has had a good spell. He will do his growing here at Man Utd where he'll become world class. He is not yet there, he still has alot to prove to the world of football - FACT.
 
Nesta is regarded as best in the world. the WC is where the best players are supposed to be. He is better than the most expensive defender in the world (or will be) and he was the best defender at WC 2002.

It doesnt need an official announcement, what you've said has pretty much the same undertones. Its a case of the 3 words - "best in world" are now redundant since we've already been led to this conclusion by your other words.

Raoul, you may well be right. But do not use Ronaldo's interview as the basis of your analysis of Rio. Form your own judgement, as fans our opinion is the only one possible of being at all reliable, we're subjective, those in the sport are not.

I think Rio has potential to be the best. Dont know if he will ever be as complete as say Hyppia, who stops everything in his vicinty, scores goals, no errors etc etc. Dont await Rio's arrival with so much hope and confidance that he will solve our troubles. You'll only be disappointed. Its very possible that Rio does worse than Blanc.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>Nesta is regarded as best in the world. the WC is where the best players are supposed to be. He is better than the most expensive defender in the world (or will be) and he was the best defender at WC 2002.

It doesnt need an official announcement, what you've said has pretty much the same undertones. Its a case of the 3 words - "best in world" are now redundant since we've already been led to this conclusion by your other words.

Raoul, you may well be right. But do not use Ronaldo's interview as the basis of your analysis of Rio. Form your own judgement, as fans our opinion is the only one possible of being at all reliable, we're subjective, those in the sport are not.

I think Rio has potential to be the best. Dont know if he will ever be as complete as say Hyppia, who stops everything in his vicinty, scores goals, no errors etc etc. Dont await Rio's arrival with so much hope and confidance that he will solve our troubles. You'll only be disappointed. Its very possible that Rio does worse than Blanc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Er. I'd formed my opinion of Rio well before Ronaldo made his comments. I've been one of Ferdinands biggest critics, especially when the Sheep paid 18m for him. I thought he was overrated and that the price was well more than he was worth. His play over the past year has changed my mind. His WC performance only solidfied his rising stock. I don't think anyone has seen the best of him by a long shot. We should definitely buy him, over any foreigner who isn't in the Premiership now.
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Nesta and Rio Ferdinand are arguably two of the best centre backs. Either would be a welcomed addition to our squad.

Personally i would favour rio - for the issue that he wouldn't require as much settling time into the team as perhaps nesta would. Furthermore in a long term perspective, Rio is likely to spend most if not all of the rest of his career at O/T should he come, i cant imagine nesta, staying five, six yrs at O/T as he is foreign, and there will obivously be certain non footballing issues, such as family as one example that may make him return to italy, so perhaps in that respect rio is a better investment.

But like I say, the argument here is like saying what would you prefer a porsche GT2 or a lamborghini marcielago - the GT2 may be slightly better value for money, but either would do anyone sweet!

PS Kemo - you are a daft twat aren't you. We put up with your transfer dribble, week in and week out, and although your opinions are based on the substance that comes out of mouth when you speak, namely hot air, we tolerate them, no matter how ridiculous they are, including signing this guy <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> for £50million and so on. But I have to draw the line when you criticises other peoples opinions, especially a sure fire footballing legend namely Ronaldo. Ronaldo aka the double world footballer of the year; (as oppossed to Chief Operating Officer of the Kampala Sports News Agency) i'm sure we would all agree has just a tad more knowledge about the game and attributes that make a great player than you, i think we are all agreed on that front. It is therefore clear to anyone with a shred of intelligence and aptitude, that when a player such as ronaldo gives an opinion, despite p.r. and cliesha niceties, it should be taken seriously, as being a legimate and informed opinion, as oppossed to you, who states, what you think you know and what you think you see. To label ronaldo's opinion as pathetic, highlights your lack of brain capacity, any form of informed thought process and generally shows you up as a bit of a prat, ps who seems to have problems using his spellings (ahhhhhhhhhhhhh) If we have to put with your shit, you should have the decency to put up with the opinions of others, especially professionals. And if not then i hear koptalk are recruiting!

Oh and by the way Ronaldo played against Nesta on the last game of the Italian domestic season, when Inter lost 4-2 - it was a crunch game, due to their loss inter lost the title and came third - shows your vast knowledge of the game doesn't it kemo - here's an idea stick to posting topics entitled <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> for £35m - FAO: ALL MANCS! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Just compare the pure quality and class of the two players, I'd say that Nesta is still the better one by some distance. However two things always come to mind whenever I consider Nesta. First, if Nesta really want to leave Lazio he will initiate a bidding war all over Europe, and I don't think we can win this war and pursuade Nesta that his future is in England, rather than in Italy nor Spain.
Second, it is always a risk that he may turn out to be another Veron, Panucchi or Materrazzi. On the other hand, I'd say Rio Ferdinand is a far safer choice for us.
 
Originally posted by Cigar:
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PS Kemo - you are a daft twat aren't you........i hear koptalk are recruiting!
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ohhh ouch....hey, come on cigar, give the lad a break will ya.........granted, at times he's whacky but he's loads of fun!!!!! ;) ;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Here's something that might interest you..... ;)

After being shackled by Ferdinand, Internazionale ace Ronaldo said: "He`s not like any other English centre back.

"My job is to get past people and score goals but he was in control against me.

"He`s also good with the ball at his feet and I believe he was the best centre back at the tournament."</strong><hr></blockquote>


poor arguement! okay what if ronaldo did say that, then crespo and van nistelrooy came out saying nesta was the best? then who would be the best? geeez
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Has anyone thought that all this Ferdinand specualtion might be a smokescreen to cover Nesta negotiations or to force Lazio into making a decision?
 
Smokescreen?????

It could be a smokecreen for a few negotiations viz: Nesta, Thuram and Ayala but

WHY claim to want to pay 30 million for one player? Would that not put the value up for all the other players?


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Originally posted by Due South:
<strong>Smokescreen?????

It could be a smokecreen for a few negotiations viz: Nesta, Thuram and Ayala but

WHY claim to want to pay 30 million for one player? Would that not put the value up for all the other players?


:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Have United claimed to "want to pay 30m" or have Leeds quoted 30m?
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Cigar I hace always hoped you have a brain but I get sure that you have one less and less.

1. Did I ever say Ronaldo never played Nesta over the last year? Eh?
I even watched that game you silly cow. And frankly Nesta and Stam dealt rather well with the tripple threat of Recoba, Vieri and Ronaldo that Stam joined attacks more regularly than he has ever done at OT while Nesta held fort at the back and Inter came unstuck. Fact not fiction.

2. Nesta has been rated the best defender on Earth both at Euro 2000, before it and after,
and in the champions league while Ronaldo was crocked. And Ronaldo is far from his best so don't lie to your self that he is not easily stoppable.
3. Ronaldo claimed that Rio ws the best at the tournament. Tell me please did he face Nesta at all thru The tournament? No. He just declared his pronouncements on a player on his side of the draw.
4. Italy's defence has been rated as the World's best over the past 6 or more years. Howver when Nesta got injured vs Croatia the defence fell to pieces. Who didn't see that happen. And against South Korea they looked lost without him. What of against Mexico? Only a fool like you cigar can deny that a half fit Nesta still was the difference between Italy getting a thrashing and a draw. He succesfully kept the score down untill DelPiero's arrival. Having expected Italy to win the World cup I saw all this in their games. The above facts simply concluded that without Nesta the Worlds best defence was no defence at all!! Thats how good Nesta is.
5. I wonder what Ronaldo would say if he faced Hyypia and Henchoz in full flow. Probbaly that their the greatest i n the last decade. Muppet Cgar he lavshed such parise on the Nigerian
international Godwin okpara like that whih he has leveled at Rio. Where is the nigerian now? :confused:

So you fool. I keep up with your crap but you are going to far. Just coz Ronaldo says something and is a legend who is still playing means little. Beckenbauer, Baresi and Passerella, 3 of the greatest defenders of all time rate Nesta and Hyppia as the best defenders on Earth. So do Chruyff and Sir Alex. and they too should know far more about stopping forwards than Ronaldo.


So if you wanna talk crap. YOU join the Koptalk rather than being a hopeless sychophant like Raoul.
ASSHOLE!!!! :mad:
 
I just prefer Rio and am defending my point of view.

post wc i'd say rio would be a great choice and nesta 1a if you will! ra's pov (if i may) is that the settling period that took blanc months wouldn't be there w/rio. he speaks english as well so that's a non-issue.

the upside to nesta is the actual money to get him would be reduced by the money owed by lazio.

Look this guy was Lazio Captain when he was in his early 20s - and rio is capt at leeds at 22/23 yrs old!
 
Further more I am tired of a few p*ss**s who's names I will NOT mention giving me stick whenever I post and opinion. Get a life for heaven's sake!!!

Especailly when it comes to the Nesta issue or any other for that matter fans and ex- players always know far more than those still playing the game . Fact not fiction. Because we see everything on the pitch and can review it all again and again which players can not. It's just like chess. While you are playing you do not see all the methods on how a game should be played or won. But while you are sitting aside you have no biases or distractions for you not to see whats needed. Thats why managers are so effective and make great teams else players would not need them.


And also. And opinion is like an arse and everybody has one. Don't forget that. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

and ps : I meant to say that Nesta was the difference between Italy being thrashed and getting a draw. Hell you know what I mean! :mad:
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Cigar I hace always hoped you have a brain but I get sure that you have one less and less.

1. Did I ever say Ronaldo never played Nesta over the last year? Eh?
I even watched that game you silly cow. And frankly Nesta and Stam dealt rather well with the tripple threat of Recoba, Vieri and Ronaldo that Stam joined attacks more regularly than he has ever done at OT while Nesta held fort at the back and Inter came unstuck. Fact not fiction.

2. Nesta has been rated the best defender on Earth both at Euro 2000, before it and after,
and in the champions league while Ronaldo was crocked. And Ronaldo is far from his best so don't lie to your self that he is not easily stoppable.
3. Ronaldo claimed that Rio ws the best at the tournament. Tell me please did he face Nesta at all thru The tournament? No. He just declared his pronouncements on a player on his side of the draw.
4. Italy's defence has been rated as the World's best over the past 6 or more years. Howver when Nesta got injured vs Croatia the defence fell to pieces. Who didn't see that happen. And against South Korea they looked lost without him. What of against Mexico? Only a fool like you cigar can deny that a half fit Nesta still was the difference between Italy getting a thrashing and a draw. He succesfully kept the score down untill DelPiero's arrival. Having expected Italy to win the World cup I saw all this in their games. The above facts simply concluded that without Nesta the Worlds best defence was no defence at all!! Thats how good Nesta is.
5. I wonder what Ronaldo would say if he faced Hyypia and Henchoz in full flow. Probbaly that their the greatest i n the last decade. Muppet Cgar he lavshed such parise on the Nigerian
international Godwin okpara like that whih he has leveled at Rio. Where is the nigerian now? :confused:

So you fool. I keep up with your crap but you are going to far. Just coz Ronaldo says something and is a legend who is still playing means little. Beckenbauer, Baresi and Passerella, 3 of the greatest defenders of all time rate Nesta and Hyppia as the best defenders on Earth. So do Chruyff and Sir Alex. and they too should know far more about stopping forwards than Ronaldo.


So if you wanna talk crap. YOU join the Koptalk rather than being a hopeless sychophant like Raoul.
ASSHOLE!!!! :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Getting a bit frustrating aren't we Kemo. ;)

To sum things up. Rio would be a better fit for us. Nesta would be a better fit for some Italian club.
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Just posted something similar on the Rio Smokescreen? thread, but why not both Nesta and Ferdinand?

We can afford it - UTD are set to make a £60 million profit this year

Nike Deal will bring in additional £20 million per season for the next 13 years

Lazio still owe £12 million.

It is entirely feasible that we could be after both. It was believed that we were after a Thuram/Ayala partnership earlier in the season why not Ferdinand/Nesta? That would make us truly watertight.

Brown could be CB back-up and fight for RB with Neville.
 
does anyone know the question ronaldo was asked that invoked his somments about ferdinand? it could have been something along the lines of "were you impressed with rio ferdinand, isn't he the best CB in the tournament?" to which he would have hardly replied, "no, he was shite." of course ronaldo is complementary towards rio, he's a fellow player, and it's a sign of respect. just like english players were saying seaman was the best goalie @ the world cup. absolute rubbish, that was. i don't put much stock in the publicy expressed opinions of footballers, simply because there is an agenda behind them.
 
Originally posted by veron004:
<strong>Just posted something similar on the Rio Smokescreen? thread, but why not both Nesta and Ferdinand?</strong><hr></blockquote>

We don't need both, pure and simple as that. You're going to make Brown and O'Shea backup for ever, which is not needed. With Blanc staying we need ONE defender.

Anyhow, making 60m profit a season doesn't mean the whole 60m is going for new players. Not by a long shot.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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We don't need both, pure and simple as that. You're going to make Brown and O'Shea backup for ever, which is not needed. With Blanc staying we need ONE defender.

Anyhow, making 60m profit a season doesn't mean the whole 60m is going for new players. Not by a long shot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Kenyon has stated that the purpose of UTD making money is to enable the manager to develop the team that he wants.

As for Blanc, he still hasn't made a statement that he is staying and I think that he is waiting to see who UTD sign. I would be surprised if he stays for another year. What does he still have left to prove? He was the butt of many critics' comments last season who only very begrudgingly gave him the praise he deserved by the end.

As for Brown and O'Shea they will get plenty of games with UTD. Brown broke through at UTD as a right back. That is the position that Sven feels he is best suited for. IF we got Nesta and Ferdinand the back four of Brown, Nesta, Ferdinand and Silvestre would be awesome - young fast and skillful.

My point about the money is this: If UTD swapped Veron for Nesta and waved the remainder of the Stam fee, and used the Nike money and outgoing transfers to fund Rio, they will still not have touched the profits they made this season.

I don't expect them to blow the remaining £60 million on transfers, but they need to sign quality players when they are available. Nesta, a stated UTD target, will not be available next season when Blanc will definately retire if he is still here.
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