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I've not read anything other than the original Dune, but have read all of GoT and the nine princes of amber. I'd say Hyperion is definitely more, erm, philosophical than any of those. Good action and mystery to for sure, but it's deeper I'd say. More adult and difficult too.

As I think I posted earlier, that series marked me as almost the 'best' of sci fi fantasy. Little bit like when I finally finished the Malazan Books of the Fallen just had to say, yep, not a lot more an authour can do with regards to that kind of military fantasy/world building. Can't recommend either enough.

Ok cool I like the sound of that. Thanks.

I think I'll get Hyperion next. I almost bought The Terror earlier this week but went with a different book I had been wanting to check out so after that I'll get Hyperion.

I also read 9 books of the Malazan series - not sure why but I never got the Crippled God. I think I was subconsciously saving that for the future like how I binge read all of Raymond Chandler's books except one that I am saving for the future.
 
First book in the Hyperion series is legit some of the best scifi ever written.
 
Just finished the two 'Malazon prequels' by Ian Esslemont. Pretty good, found it far more approachable than the main series. Really wish I'd read these before the actual series, would make the later stuff a lot more meaningful.

Anyone read any of his other stuff? Trying to decide if it's worth it, or should start something else.
It is 500% worth it. Then again, anything Malazan is 500% worth it :drool::drool::drool:
 
Just finished the two 'Malazon prequels' by Ian Esslemont. Pretty good, found it far more approachable than the main series. Really wish I'd read these before the actual series, would make the later stuff a lot more meaningful.

Anyone read any of his other stuff? Trying to decide if it's worth it, or should start something else.

Paths to Ascendancy? Yeah, brilliant read. Though I'm happy I'm reading this after the main series, so it's like finding hidden gems about characters that sadly lacked proper background in main books.

You also have the Kharkanas trilogy by Steven Erikson. Though this is a bit dark and brooding and has less action than any of the other books, it gives lots of information on the ascendants. History of Rake, Brood, Draconus, Hood before he became Lord of Death...lots about Ascendants, Gods and elder races. Not for all, but I loved it. Bk 3 is on hold for now as Erikson is writing a Karsa Orlong trilogy now, which I can't wait for.

Have you read the Novellas? If not, I'd specially recommend Night of Knives and Return of Crimson Guard as the must reads.
 
Paths to Ascendancy? Yeah, brilliant read. Though I'm happy I'm reading this after the main series, so it's like finding hidden gems about characters that sadly lacked proper background in main books.

You also have the Kharkanas trilogy by Steven Erikson. Though this is a bit dark and brooding and has less action than any of the other books, it gives lots of information on the ascendants. History of Rake, Brood, Draconus, Hood before he became Lord of Death...lots about Ascendants, Gods and elder races. Not for all, but I loved it. Bk 3 is on hold for now as Erikson is writing a Karsa Orlong trilogy now, which I can't wait for.

Have you read the Novellas? If not, I'd specially recommend Night of Knives and Return of Crimson Guard as the must reads.
Cool thanks. This timing works pretty well, been about a year since I finished the 'main' series, so refreshing to get back into it. Will try those novellas next.
 
Cool thanks. This timing works pretty well, been about a year since I finished the 'main' series, so refreshing to get back into it. Will try those novellas next.
RotCG is not a novella, it's one of his biggest books. It's very slow, but the finale is fantastic. Gets better on a reread too. ICE's writing gets noticeably better starting from Stonewielder, and i loved Orb, Sceptre, Throne. Blood and Bone is a great travelogue
:D

Assail is good, though very different from what i expected. Honestly really good book but i hoped for something bigger to close out the saga


The Kharkanas trilogy is exceedingly philosophical and tragic - far heavier than the main series and it's really not for everyone. I've liked it, but i'm also kinda glad we're getting the Karsa Orlong trilogy sooner
 
Would you two recommend Hyperion to someone that doesn't like JRR Tolkien but does like George Martin, Frank Herbert and Rogers Zelazny?
Yep. It is more complex than those books, and more philosophical than all of them (although the later Dune books become shitty philosophical books masqueraded as sci-fi), and it really has a perfect balance of story, philosophy and religion. I found it really fascinating.
 
Yep. It is more complex than those books, and more philosophical than all of them (although the later Dune books become shitty philosophical books masqueraded as sci-fi), and it really has a perfect balance of story, philosophy and religion. I found it really fascinating.
First half of Hyperion is kind of a slog, but fully agree overall
 
Are the Dune sequels worth reading?
Absolutely not. Probably the second book is okay, and readable but after that it goes totally downhill. Third and fourth are absolutely terrible books in my opinion, though strangely a lot of people seem to like the fourth book.
 
I finally got time to finish The Elven and overall it was excellent. It was alot darker and bloodier than I was expecting and was overly long, some of it felt bloated, but I'm not sure what could be removed as it all fit together in the end up. The ending seemed to be being painted as happy, but I thought it was anything but. Overall an excellent book and I'm glad I took a chance on it.

I have a few on my Kindle that I could start, but have no idea what to jump into now.
 
Yep. It is more complex than those books, and more philosophical than all of them (although the later Dune books become shitty philosophical books masqueraded as sci-fi), and it really has a perfect balance of story, philosophy and religion. I found it really fascinating.
I was really put off by all the philosophizing in the Malazan books, every character spending days and days doing nothing but think deep thoughts. Now, the word 'philosophy' in the description of any fiction book is a warning flag for me.
 
I was really put off by all the philosophizing in the Malazan books, every character spending days and days doing nothing but think deep thoughts. Now, the word 'philosophy' in the description of any fiction book is a warning flag for me.
Malazan (similar to Dune sequels, and The Second Apocalypse) is just the author masturbating on how philosophical he is, to the point of making the books almost unreadable.

Hyperion is totally different in that aspect. More like subtle philosophy, rather than throwing it at your face page after page.
 
I have picked up Hyperion again after a two-week hiatus, and the story is getting more interesting, I am now on the Colonel's story.
 
Malazan (similar to Dune sequels, and The Second Apocalypse) is just the author masturbating on how philosophical he is, to the point of making the books almost unreadable.

Malazan is a tough read, not just for the rambling...but the whole 'drop right into action' with no backstory, introduction etc make it hard from a traditional writing point of view. It just is not for everyone, still my all time favourite though :)
 
Malazan is a tough read, not just for the rambling...but the whole 'drop right into action' with no backstory, introduction etc make it hard from a traditional writing point of view. It just is not for everyone, still my all time favourite though :)
Totally, took me ages to work out what the hell a warren was.

Am enjoying the night of knives so far, though i cant quite work out when it's set relative to the main series .
 
Totally, took me ages to work out what the hell a warren was.

Am enjoying the night of knives so far, though i cant quite work out when it's set relative to the main series .
Around 9 years before GOTM iirc
 
Malazan is a tough read, not just for the rambling...but the whole 'drop right into action' with no backstory, introduction etc make it hard from a traditional writing point of view. It just is not for everyone, still my all time favourite though :)
Nah, read the first three books. Being difficult wasn't their main problem, being boring (bar the first one) in the other hand was a problem.
 
Nah, read the first three books. Being difficult wasn't their main problem, being boring (bar the first one) in the other hand was a problem.

Wait, are you saying that Gardens of the Moon wasn't boring but Deadhouse Gates was? Deadhouse Gates was probably my favorite of the entire series and the one that got me hooked.
 
Wait, are you saying that Gardens of the Moon wasn't boring but Deadhouse Gates was? Deadhouse Gates was probably my favorite of the entire series and the one that got me hooked.
Deadhouse Gates is the best book in the series and the best fantasy book ever written. It's not even my opinion, it's a universal fact accepted by all :D
 
Finished 'Dagger and the Coin' and while I liked it, I didn't like it as much as Long Price Quartet. In general, I disliked most of the characters.

And Singh from the Expanse seem to have been heavily inspired from Geder Palliako.
 
Deadhouse Gates is the best book in the series and the best fantasy book ever written. It's not even my opinion, it's a universal fact accepted by all :D
:lol: Well said. I think @Revan might have just mistyped
 
Deadhouse Gates is the best book in the series and the best fantasy book ever written. It's not even my opinion, it's a universal fact accepted by all :D

I keep meaning to get through Malazan. Every few years I go back to it and get lost somewhere in Gardens of the Moon or Deadhouse Gates, put it down because of its interminable density and have to start again. I should like it as a series, ticks a lot of boxes, but even in my voracious fantasy/sci fi reading youth I found him difficult to get through. Never really enjoyed reading his prose, there are some writers who can be writing about banal events but the prose still flows in a way that is pleasurable to read. Eriksen does not have that trait.
 
I can kind of see why people wouldn't like Malazan but I loved it. Only finished the series in January so still mulling it mostly but Deadhouse Gates in particular was pretty amazing. Its definitely up there with the best individual fantasy books out there. I found most of the malazan books reasonably self contained once the initial info dump is over with.
 
I can kind of see why people wouldn't like Malazan but I loved it. Only finished the series in January so still mulling it mostly but Deadhouse Gates in particular was pretty amazing. Its definitely up there with the best individual fantasy books out there. I found most of the malazan books reasonably self contained once the initial info dump is over with.

I wonder which madman will greenlight Malazan for TV? Dropped a little off the radar in recent years, go back to the mid 2000's and many had it as one of the all time great series. Studio bankruptcy trying to adapt that for TV.
 
My ratings may be skewed because DG did not have my favourite characters :lol: My personal favourites would be

Memories of Ice / Toll the Hounds (the death of two of my favourite characters was so powerful that they stay with me forever!)
Deadhouse Gates / Bonehunters
Gardens of the Moon / Crippled God
 
i think that's impossible to do it justice on TV. The character/plot introduction itself will take a trilogy of movies :lol:

An entire season of exposition before you start the actual story, maybe in an anime style it could be done.

Malazan reminds me somewhat of Gene Wolfe and his Book of the New Sun sequence. Not really story-wise or quality of writing(Wolfe, technically was on another level) but in being bloody hard work to get through.
 
My ratings may be skewed because DG did not have my favourite characters :lol: My personal favourites would be

Memories of Ice / Toll the Hounds (the death of two of my favourite characters was so powerful that they stay with me forever!)
Deadhouse Gates / Bonehunters
Gardens of the Moon / Crippled God
Personally i loved reaper's gale and midnight tides as well. DG is the best but the other books are all pretty amazing.
 
Anyone read the Axis Trilogy by Sara Douglass? Or the following trilogy - Wayfarer Redemption?

Right up there with Raymond E Feist's Riftwar series as my favourite fantasy series. If anyone is looking for something to read, I'd highly recommend.
I only liked part of Riftwar. Magician was good as was the finale. Everything inbetwin bwas meh.
 
My ratings may be skewed because DG did not have my favourite characters :lol: My personal favourites would be

Memories of Ice / Toll the Hounds (the death of two of my favourite characters was so powerful that they stay with me forever!)
Deadhouse Gates / Bonehunters
Gardens of the Moon / Crippled God
My list would be similar, though it seems I liked the Letheras-based books a lot more than you seem to. Top 6 for me would be:

Memories of Ice
Deadhouse Gates
Midnight Tides
The Bonehunters
Reaper's Gale
Gardens of the Moon
I didn't particularly like the last three books for may reasons, including, in no particular order: too much philosophizing; the death of Rake; the shift of focus in the overall narrative to the Tiste backstory; the opacity of the magic system in respect of the powers exhibited without prior foundation; and more.

I don't rate House of Chains very highly because I hate Karsa Orlong.
 
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I only liked part of Riftwar. Magician was good as was the finale. Everything inbetwin bwas meh.
Yeah, Magician was a ridiculously high level to start it with. I also felt that the Empire Trilogy were all absolute first class books, as were the four books of the Serpentwar Saga. Those 8 books, along with the Axis Trilogy that I mentioned above, are probably my absolute favourites. The rest of the Riftwar series were definitely fairly average compared to them, to the extent that I've never gotten around to reading the last few books. You're not the first person who has said that it gets back to being great in those last ones, so I really need to check them out.
 
Deadhouse Gates is the best book in the series and the best fantasy book ever written. It's not even my opinion, it's a universal fact accepted by all :D
Absolutely disliked it. Most of characters from Gardens weren't there and it kind of started an another story.

Memories of Ice was better, but I just gave up after finishing it, was very fatigued, the story didn't interest me that much, and neither did its characters

bar Quick Ben, and to some degree Whiskeyjack but he got killed in the end of MoI.

I might go eventually to continue the books, but I am afraid that I will stop after another book or two.
 
As it's a Malazan love in, just finished Night of Knives - Really good. The big 'action' sequence it builds to is effective, and the kind of tone-setting in the first half really creates a good feel.

If ever they were going to make a (entirely indecipherable) Malazan film, this would be a good bet.
 
First book in the Hyperion series is legit some of the best scifi ever written.
@Revan @Beachryan

So I finished the first Hyperion book and am currently a few chapters into the second. Definitely a great book and I will finish the series. Most impressive is that he wrote this around 1988 and some of his far future imaginations of culture are eerily similar to our current smart phone world.

While I enjoy this book a lot I can tell that Simmons' taste are quite different from my own. His (imo) over-emphasis on poetry and poets is not appealing to me. And I know Simmons loves Dickens, while I greatly dislike Dickens. So its interesting that someone who I know has a very different set of influences than I have can still write something that is appealing to me.
 
So I finished the first Hyperion book and am currently a few chapters into the second. Definitely a great book and I will finish the series. Most impressive is that he wrote this around 1988 and some of his far future imaginations of culture are eerily similar to our current smart phone world.
I am still slogging through it. For those who have not yet read the book, it is structured somewhat in the style of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales or Boccaccio's Decameron, where a group of pilgrims/travelers each tells the group the story of why he/she is undertaking the journey. I am currently on the fifth of seven/eight stories.
I thought the priest's story intriguing, though I was really bored by the long travelogue that preceded it, and I wasn't impressed by the religious treatise following it;
I really enjoyed the soldier's story, and look forward to finding out the mystery of Mystery;
I was deeply bored by the poet's story and in the end I just kept skipping past his philosophizing bullshit;
I found the scholar's story deeply moving, and I note that two movies in recent years have dealt with the issues raised in the story: The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008) and 50 First Dates (2004), Both movies illustrated the respective problems very clearly. I'm very keen to find out what kind of resolution is offered to that situation; and
I am enjoying the detective's story so far.
 
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