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You must not have reached Winter's Heart or Crossroads of Twilight yet then! Wheel of Time was a good premise that held up really well for four books or so, then promptly slipped into utter tedium until Sanderson rescued it at the end. Great start (even if the first half of the Eye of the World is just a carbon rip-off of the LotR), good but not amazing finish (I'd go into detail but don't want to spoil anything for you) but the middle is so boring it killed the entire series for me. Again, though, I had to finish it once I started it!
Those 2 books were awful. Winter's Heart was an abomination, despite that it has one of the best battles in the last chapter, and Crossroads of Twilight was near as bad.

Still the series is great. 1-4 are very good, 5 is one of the best fantasy books I have read, 6 is very good too, 7, 8 and 11 acceptable while 12 is fantastic. 9 and 10 are awful, but still...

Have to read yet the last two.
 
I got partway into Reaper's Gale before giving up, actually, because I hate leaving a series unfinished even if I'm not enjoying it! But, yeh, I found it to be total, inpenetrable crap that was difficult simply for the sake of being difficult.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. WoT was a very promising series that, after a great start, sunk away into a tedious bog of mediocrity and totally superfluous world building that lasted about 5 books too long. MBotF delivers over a 10-book arc with a massive punch whilst staying mostly cohesive throughout, plus it manages to integrate concepts that lift it from being 'merely' a decent fantasy story to a thought-provoking epic. Sure, it is confusing, it does not pander to skim-reading, and it actually requires a reread to appreciate the fullness and complexity, but the trade-off is immense in my view. Shame you didn't persist until Toll the Hounds, which is awesome enough to carry you onward to the end of the series.
 
I have tried reading Gardens of the Moon but gave up. I may not have even completed 100 pages. Just couldn't make head or tail of what was happening.
What I remember having read:
A guy who seems to be an important character is killed by an assassin and then brought back to life - some chick named Sorry(?). I think there was a two faced god there who brings the character back to life and a spinning of a coin which is heard by only one person
 
Towers of Midnight. Sanderson said that it is impossible to finish the saga with a book, so he had to make three. And decided to write 500 pages of this book where nothing happens. Makes sense.

The book starts very strong. We see that Belthamel (Halima/Aran'gar) was killed from Rand on the last book, not Graendal. She's on mission to kill Perrin. Then on the third chapter we have one of the most amazing chapters on the saga. Rand goes to the White Tower and has a confrontation with Egwene. It looks that he was expecting Elaida instead, but anyway. He says that he wants to meet her in a month, before he will go to Shayol Ghul and destroy the seals of the prison, before closing the prison for good. Egwene goes batshit crazy and decides to create a Grand Alliance either to convince Rand to not do it, or to stop him (so much for their 'friendship'). Anyway, it looks that this was Rand's intention from the beginning (possibly to ask for the Dragon's Peace).

Then we have 500 pages when nothing happens. Had to skipp a few pages where Perrin was dreaming. So bloody awful.

After a few confrontation, a trial, Perrin and Galad (now Lord Commander of Whitecloacks) agree on some things and defeat a big army of Trollocks. Galad also promises to let Perrin as his supreme commander until the Last Battle is done. Perrin also makes a pact with Elayne that will grant him a 'High Lord' title and a few other things. Elayne gets the Sun Throne and now has made an Empire, with Andor, Cairhein, Two Rivers, that kingdom where the Queen has Perrin as Liege Lord and actually Faile is the current heir to Saldea. Elayne seems to be on Egwene's side on Egwene-Rand struggle.

Aviendha on that place when she'll become a Wise One sees a vision for the future. Apparently, Aiel will start a war against The Saenchan Empire (after her children will sugest it, after the new Saenchan Empress - daughter of Tuon - will make some unreasonable things). And the war will be on a stalemate for a few decads. Then Aviendha's granddaughter will trick the Queen of Andor (Elayne's granddaughter) to get into war too. She will do that and looks like some other kingdoms will agree to it. However, this will change the war unexpectedly on Saenchan's favour. They will collar more domane from the other kingdoms which will make them superior. They also looks to have plans for pre-emptive strikes if the other states will want to fight them. After some years they will also get The Andor Dragons and Aiel will be defeated badly. They will take the Way of Leaf, they will be hunted like dogs and they will starve. Hopefully, there will happen something on the next book which will change this prophecy. It isn't certain that it will happen, but it looks so on Aviendha's mind.

Rand makes a pact with the four Borderlands Kingdoms. Ituralde will fight well on the North and Rand will make a strike killing probably hundred of thousands of Trollocks there. Lan is also making a strike in Malkier with 12k soldiers. Nynaeve takes the bond of him.

Egwene al'Magnificient defeats Messana.

The Black Tower seems to have gone full dark. Mhael was Darkfriend, that was long known and it seems that he has total control there.

Rand sees a dream where Lanfear is getting tortured (likely by Moridin). She says sorry to Rand and ask for forgiveness.

Mat will refuse to open the Verin letter. She had instructed there that Andor will be attacked. And it happened. The capital has fallen.

Mat, Thom and Noal went to save Moiraine. After a lot of struggle, Mat losing his left eye and Noal's sacrifice, they saved her. I missed you, Moiraine Damodred. Best character on the saga returns. And she looks to have a very important role. He also married with Thom who also became her Warden.

Moiraine_Damodred.JPG


The book finishes on the high. Everything is ready for the final battle.

Strong finish, but half of the book is pointless. 6/10
 
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Towers of Midnight. Sanderson said that it is impossible to finish the saga with a book, so he had to make three. And decided to write 500 pages of this book where nothing happens. Makes sense.

The book starts very strong. We see that Belthamel (Halima/Aran'gar) was killed from Rand on the last book, not Graendal. She's on mission to kill Perrin. Then on the third chapter we have one of the most amazing chapters on the saga. Rand goes to the White Tower and has a confrontation with Egwene. It looks that he was expecting Elaida instead, but anyway. He says that he wants to meet her in a month, before he will go to Shayol Ghul and destroy the seals of the prison, before closing the prison for good. Egwene goes batshit crazy and decides to create a Grand Alliance either to convince Rand to not do it, or to stop him (so much for their 'friendship'). Anyway, it looks that this was Rand's intention from the beginning (possibly to ask for the Dragon's Peace).

Then we have 500 pages when nothing happens. Had to skipp a few pages where Perrin was dreaming. So bloody awful.

After a few confrontation, a trial, Perrin and Galad (now Lord Commander of Whitecloacks) agree on some things and defeat a big army of Trollocks. Galad also promises to let Perrin as his supreme commander until the Last Battle is done. Perrin also makes a pact with Elayne that will grant him a 'High Lord' title and a few other things. Elayne gets the Sun Throne and now has made an Empire, with Andor, Cairhein, Two Rivers, that kingdom where the Queen has Perrin as Liege Lord and actually Faile is the current heir to Saldea. Elayne seems to be on Egwene's side on Egwene-Rand struggle.

Aviendha on that place when she'll become a Wise One sees a vision for the future. Apparently, Aiel will start a war against The Saenchan Empire (after her children will sugest it, after the new Saenchan Empress - daughter of Tuon - will make some unreasonable things). And the war will be on a stalemate for a few decads. Then Aviendha's granddaughter will trick the Queen of Andor (Elayne's granddaughter) to get into war too. She will do that and looks like some other kingdoms will agree to it. However, this will change the war unexpectedly on Saenchan's favour. They will collar more domane from the other kingdoms which will make them superior. They also looks to have plans for pre-emptive strikes if the other states will want to fight them. After some years they will also get The Andor Dragons and Aiel will be defeated badly. They will take the Way of Leaf, they will be hunted like dogs and they will starve. Hopefully, there will happen something on the next book which will change this prophecy. It isn't certain that it will happen, but it looks so on Aviendha's mind.

Rand makes a pact with the four Borderlands Kingdoms. Ituralde will fight well on the North and Rand will make a strike killing probably hundred of thousands of Trollocks there. Lan is also making a strike in Malkier with 12k soldiers. Nynaeve takes the bond of him.

Egwene al'Magnificient defeats Messana.

The Black Tower seems to have gone full dark. Mhael was Darkfriend, that was long known and it seems that he has total control there.

Rand sees a dream where Lanfear is getting tortured (likely by Moridin). She says sorry to Rand and ask for forgiveness.

Mat will refuse to open the Verin letter. She had instructed there that Andor will be attacked. And it happened. The capital has fallen.

Mat, Thom and Noal went to save Moiraine. After a lot of struggle, Mat losing his left eye and Noal's sacrifice, they saved her. I missed you, Moiraine Damodred. Best character on the saga returns. And she looks to have a very important role. He also married with Thom who also became her Warden.

Moiraine_Damodred.JPG


The book finishes on the high. Everything is ready for the final battle.

Strong finish, but half of the book is pointless. 6/10

Noticed your location in another thread, just read through all your reviews and thoughts on the series. Glad you seem to have enjoyed it a lot. Get ready for a tour de force last book (though at your rate, you've probably already finished it!). When AMoL came out I received the book at about noon...and didn't stop reading the entire day. Finished sometime late that evening. The whole book is an extended roller coaster. No down time. Enjoy!
 
Noticed your location in another thread, just read through all your reviews and thoughts on the series. Glad you seem to have enjoyed it a lot. Get ready for a tour de force last book (though at your rate, you've probably already finished it!). When AMoL came out I received the book at about noon...and didn't stop reading the entire day. Finished sometime late that evening. The whole book is an extended roller coaster. No down time. Enjoy!
I haven't started it yet cause I have an exam on Friday and I knew that the moment I'll start it, I won't be able to stop reading. Sanderson is incredibly addictive (read the entire Mistborn trilogy on 3 days and his 2 Wheel of Time books on 2-3 days). And from what I have read, this is basically battle after battle so no way I can stop.

Hope to start (and finish) it during the weekend.

I really loved the series, to the degree that after I finished reading 'The Gathering Storm' I briefly played with the idea of doing an immediate re-read of the entire series. Fortunately, I dropped that idea now but I am almost sure that I will re-read the series (probably skipping book 9 and 10) on the next 5-10 years.

I remember them recommending them in an another thread (ASOIAF perhaps?) so cheers for that!
 
I found a review from an ex-fan of Wheel of Time. While it is exagerated, it has some valid points about the bad stuff on Wheel of Time. Funnily enough, the first thing it came to my mind was that probably @Count Orduck has written it.

Anyway, it is a very long review, but worthy to be read. And you will laugh quite a lot on it. It is generally safe to read it (for spoilers) but yeah, there are things mentioned from the new books.

The Wheel of Time

Standard Start of Review Disclaimer: I'm not much of a rereader. Thus, it has been years since I've touched some of the volumes in the Wheel of Time series. Therefore, there may be some minor details I'm missing or forgetting. I don't care. In fact, I only apologize for such errors because they may in fact have softened me towards this lurching shambling monstrousity of a series. If you perchance find any weaknesses I have forgotten, just think of them and glow happily.

Robert Jordan needs an editor like a bukkake girl needs a wet nap.

I thought about just leaving the review at that, as a sort of testament to how important brevity can be, but unfortunately I can't. Because RJ needs more than an editor - he could also use a beating and advice on creating characters that I don't want to kill and scenes that don't read like they were pulled right from the pages of his crusty teenage erotica jerk notebook.

Part of me doesn't even know where to begin with this. The Wheel of Time series literally spans thousands of pages, contains hundreds of characters and dozens of PoVs, and is packed with intrigue that's almost as psychotically complicated as Hideo Kojima's. Maybe the best place to start is with the fans, or better yet, the ex-fans. There's nothing angrier than an ex-Wheel of Time fan. I don't care if your ex broke up with you because she was dating a retarded pedophile who works as a janitor down at the local Baskin Robbins, I don't care if she gave you one of his stupid but horribly strong STDs, I don't care if you found yourself wiping his drool off the face and breasts of your invalid grandmother, you don't feel as betrayed as Jordan's fans do. You might call this an exaggeration, but think about it - when your ex left you for the Cock that Brains Forgot, at least she didn't take 8,000+ pages and a decade to do it. I can say this, because I feel like I've been the recipient of a long, slow, hard feck by Robert Jordan. And not the good kind of feck, the kind where you're lying face down on a bed of nails and maggot-infested garbage as a fat guy wearing overalls reams you out with a meat mallet.

You might think that I've gone a little bit heavy on the description in the paragraph above, but that's just because you haven't read enough Robert Jordan, you lucky feck. Robert Jordan is the kind of man who will fill pages of prose with descriptions of the uniforms the soldiers are wearing, the color and cut of the dresses the Aes Sedai have on, the hairstyles of everyone in the room, and how many beetles are crawling across the ground. His writing style sort of reminds me of Urkel. At first, it's quaint and charming and quite unlike anything you've ever seen before, but before the end it's become bloated, misshapen and sad to the point that you just wish someone would drive a railroad spike through its forehead and end its travesty of a life. I know more about Egwene's taste in dresses than I do about my fecking major, and while I'm not quite sure if this is actually in the book or just something that came to me while I was masturbatingdreaming, I'd stake my life on the fact that Min's left ass cheek has exactly seven freckles. Also, did I mention Nynaeve likes to tug her braid when she's annoyed, which is only about four times per page?

Speaking of Nynaeve, she and her fellow companions deserve special mention. I remember the first cries of praise the Wheel of Time series received. Everyone was practically creaming their undergarment of choice at the idea that Jordan had *gasp* female characters! STRONG female characters! The battle of the sexes! This was somewhere Tolkien had never been before! This was new territory! Now, I'm not precisely sure when people stopped praising the books for this, but I have to believe it was somewhere around the time that they realized every woman in the series was so insanely bitchy and shrewish that any real man would sooner hack his dick off with a rusty spoon than fall into their hands. Then we discovered why Tolkien never went here; because apparently unlike Robert Jordan, his fifteen older sisters had never beaten him up and then poured lye down his peehole.

I hope Jordan doesn't really think all women are like this, because there isn't a likeable or believable one in the bunch. Actually, they all come off as one giant ubercharacter, a multifaceted Samsara-like entity of bitchery and annoyance that fills the universe and seeks only to destroy and dominate that which is male. Some may think I'm kidding, but those who have braved this hell know that I speak true- is there ever even a chapter where one of the female characters does not mention how stupid men are? Is there even one of them that doesn't resort to manipulating, insulting, and abusing the male characters in the books? Once again, I don't exaggerate - I literally mean abuse. One of the three main characters, a man with supernatural luck and lethal skill with a spear, spends a whole book being raped by a horny old queen. He repeatedly denies her and is repeatedly molested anyway. Then there's Nynaeve, who hides beneath her bitchy outer shell the heart of a harpy. I'm not even going to try to justify her because everything she says blends into one long, squealy whine. Of all the girls, Min is probably the nicest - at least she only calls Rand stupid and gets annoyed with him when he doesn't feck her. No, I'm not fecking kidding, this is the shit that climbed to #1 on the New York Times list. Nynaeve tugged her braid.

Of course, I can't place all the blame on the women, as the men are such unbelievable, galactic pussies that they take this abuse on the chin and come crawling back for more. This trait completely and totally destroys even the coolest of characters. Take Lan, the Warder. Lan is a superhumanly strong and resilient man who kicks ass and takes names. Throughout most of book one he is the Badass on Deck - the guy who flosses his teeth with Trolloc pubes just to prove how tough he is. However, since he apparently can't resist a frostybitch, he falls for Nynaeve, who then precedes to emasculate him and totally destroy him as a character. I know this sounds sexist, but believe me, it's the truth. Lan goes from kicking ass all across the map to literally being a woman's bitch in about book five or six. I'm serious. He's bonded to her through some sort of retardo process I don't want to get into and she spends her time using him as a fecktoy which of course makes Nynaeve TEH FURIOUS. I forget what happens to Lan. I think he gets free and hooks up with Nynaeve, but this doesn't really change anything but whose pussy he's licking. I believe once in a later book he gets to kill a fat lameass. It's such a collossal waste that it's saddening. You couldn't be more insulting of someone's talent if you hired a ninja to mow your lawn or Elton John to feck your wife.

Lan is just a case study, though. The three protagonists - Rand, Perrin, and Mat - are actually far more pathetic. Of these men, all of whom are about my age, the first two simply can't understand women at all (which is especially sad since Perrin is married and Rand is banging three broads at once) and the last will feck anything that has a vaguely vagina-shaped hole in it. It's not exactly the most likeable collection of leads ever assembled, and as time goes on, they just get more and more obnoxious. It got so obnoxious that Nynaeve tugged her braid.

Rand is the main character, so we'll start with him. First, as the Dragon Reborn, he's the most powerful male channeler on the planet, wrestling with a power that may destroy him and will surely eventually turn him mad and rot his body as he lives. He has to shoulder the responsibility of being both the savior and breaker of the world, and as nations and people flock to him, he must question who to trust and who to fear. Oh, and did I mention he's 20 and acts 12?

Rand has three women in his life. There's Elayne, who's a princess, a magic-user, and a bitch. Then there's Aviendha: desert warrior, magic-user, bitch. Then there's Min: seer, dresses like a boy, vaguely bitchy (when you look at it this way, Min actually comes off decently). These relationships are so heartbreakingly juvenile and stupid I don't even know where to start. I won't give specifics, because I can't remember them and I wouldn't read this series again unless Selphie herself offered me a hummer. Suffice to say, some highlights include the not-cliche-at-all "must warm her freezing body" sequence, which ends in feckery and then a promise of no more feckery. This was with Aviendha, and sadly is the most believable of the experiences. The other two consist of Elayne demanding that Rand give her some of the sweet, sweet honey that Aviendha got and raping him and of Min getting surly and grumpy, wearing progressively tighter pants and raping him. Meanwhile, Nynaeve tugged her braid.

During all this Rand scratches his head and endures their abuse, befuddled at the behavior of these women that he just can't understand! This plays as cute for the first few books, or maybe it's just that I was younger when I read them, but by the time you reach the tenth or so volume and Rand is still behaving like a guilty, confused 11 year old whose teacher touched his peepee, you're praying that he'll either start acting like a man or just go gay and get it the hell over with.
 
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Perrin, if anything, is the worst. There's no hiding it - Perrin got punked. Perrin got punked bad. And it's not like Loial the Ogier pinned him down and forced his Steddingpenis in, Perrin chose to get punked by randomly falling for Faile, or as I like to call her, SATAN'S TITS. Why, I don't know. Faile was an obnoxious girl who was hunting for the Horn of Valere. Apparently, her ability to bitch about anything and everything, coupled with Perrin's furry/submissive nature, made her irresistible to him. Highlights of their marriage include her bitching at him, her getting furious because he never bitched at her BACK, and sex. Which she probably bitches during.


Then there's Mat. A lot of people think Mat is the coolest of the three. I suppose that's true, but it's a lot like saying Boy George was the coolest member of Culture Club. Mat's main caveat is that unlike Perrin and Rand, who are either completely submissive to or outright afraid of women, Mat likes to feck a lot. He's had so many sexploits that Jordan doesn't even bother to chronicle them anymore. Instead, once or twice or twenty times per book, Mat looks at a female (usually a chubby tavern girl) and muses about how much he'd like to kiss her and pinch her plump cheeks. I think the picture should be clear by now - Mat's a chubby chaser and would probably love the Wheel of Time version of Fat Nat's. Actually, it's not just the fatties, it's pretty much anything that won't fight him too hard or can overpower him. Here are some highlights of Mat's sexxoring career that I remember:

-Kissed/fondled approximately 80000 plump barmaids.

-Made out with Illuminator woman.

-Put the moves on the Seanchan princess.

-fecked blond-headed Aiel woman who tried to kill him.

-Raped by 20 Aiel women at spearpoint.

-Raped repeatedly by horny old queen.


And there's probably more. The last was my favorite, however, and I return it to anyone who still thinks Mat is cool. The woman dressed him in frilly pink-ribboned jerkins for a month, called him her toy and "duckling," and made him her bitch something on the order of 500 times. It got to the point that he was running around the palace madcap trying to HIDE from her. This is not cool behavior. Of course, I can only imagine the kind of hate this plot situation would draw if the sexes of the participants were reversed, but now's not the time to look at THAT particular double standard. Nynaeve tugged her braid.

Surrounding these heroes is a troupe of characters so broad that they number in the hundreds. I started to count them from an online character list for you, but then I realized I didn't care quite that much. You might be interested to note, however, that there are 135 characters whose names start with A or B. If this pattern holds true, it means the Wheel of Time has about 1565 named characters. No human could possibly hold this much information in their heads at once, so I'm assuming Jordan either has some sort of insane index card system going that fills about 2/3 of his house or is an unkillable space android. This wouldn't be nearly so scary or such a big deal if the characters did not keep reappearing to a hentai-tit-ludicrous degree. For example, Basel Gill is an innkeeper in the first book. By book seven or so, he's roaming about the countryside serving as bodyguard to his exiled queen. Bayle Domon is a ship's captain. He's in the first book and transports Rand and friends. He's in the second book amongst the Seanchan. He shows up later as a Seanchan's woman's bitch in about book six. So in other words, if you're going to be reading the Wheel of Time, it's best to take exhaustive notes. The pickpocket in The Eye of the World page 321 paragraph four will undoubtedly return seven books down the line in the employ of a master assassin.

This feature was kind of charming at first, but Jordan doesn't seem to understand that as his series progresses he needs to stop introducing characters with the appeal and development of your average Juggalo. But instead, he rambles on, putting something on the order of a score of new Aes Sedai in every book, plus keeping the slew of random noble followers that Rand has accquired over the series despite the fact that they do nothing, plus LOOK GANG, A SPUNKY NEW SEAFOLK CHANNELER that you don't give a feck about. GET DOWN WIT' DA CLOWN. NYNAEVE TUGGED HER BRAID.

A short summary: remember, overall the nations of Tear, Cairhienin, Illian, Andor, Saldea, Shienar, Kandor, and Mayene are on Rand's side, but don't forget that each faction has its own complex systems of hierarchical structures which may be inhabited by those that are in fact NOT loyal to Rand. Don't confuse these guys with the hordes of Aiel clans running about that are loyal to Rand, and don't confuse those guys with the BAD Shaido Aiel, who oppose Rand. Don't confuse the Shaido with the Seanchan, who also oppose Rand, or with the Taraboners, Ghealdanians, and Ebou Dari who fight for the Seanchan but only because they're forced to. None of these people should be confused with the Illuminators, who are neutral, or the White Tower, which is not. In the White Tower the groups of women are divided into Ajahs of various colors - do not get the various members of these Ajahs confused. Oh, by the way, the Tower also fragmented into two, an old-guard Tower and a new, rebel Tower. They both include members of multiple Ajahs, so be sure to remember who is on which side. Also, be careful because there's also a SEEEKRIT Black Ajah which serves the Dark One. Its members are a mystery. Also serving the Dark One are the Forsaken, who only number twelve or so. It's especially important not to confuse them, seeing as how a good third of them have already died and been reborn in different bodies, another third may or may not be dead, and the other third spend their time sitting around and plotting asinine, intricate schemes to betray each other/recruit Rand/destroy Rand which never work. There are the Kin, who can channel and don't belong to the Tower, and the Asha'man, men that can channel and serve Rand. Except for the ones that don't, because the trainer of the Asha'man may be one of the Forsaken in disguise. But all in all, if you can both keep in your head all the specific named characters in each of these groups and whose side they are on, plus recall any innkeep, bartender, or bum on the street who has more than one line in any book, you'll be a long way towards sort of understanding that the Wheel of Time IS A feckING STEAMING PILE OF TYRANNOSAURUS SHIT.
 
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It's not that I mind complexity. Hell, A Song of Ice and Fire by Literary God George RR. Martin is quite complex. It's that I mind pointless, useless complexity on the scale that Jordan offers up. Look, at its heart the story is about the battle to make or break the world with the Wheel of Time equivalent of Satan facing down the fireball throwin' Savior of the World. When the chips are finally down and these two are blasting mountains away with streams of Balefire as hordes of Trollocs maraud through the world and fight with desperate humans, is it going to fecking MATTER that Lord Dobraine of Cairhienin doesn't trust the Dragon and is plotting against him? Are we going to need to know that Juilin Sandar, thief-catcher of Tear and fan of the "thumb-thick staff" is in love with the ruler of Tarabon? That the Queen of Ebou Dar is a horny old slut or that Mat wants to kiss Aludra the Illuminator or that Masema, the barely mentioned soldier from book two is insane and has started a Randcult? I sure as hell fecking hope not, or Jordan's great-grandchild is going to have to finish this bloated monster.

If you still doubt that I'm telling you the truth, consider this. A major subplot in one of the books has Elayne, Aviendha, Nynaeve, and possibly Egwene (can't quite remember), all of whom are powerful female channelers who could level a small army on their own, hiding out by MASQUERADING AS MEMBERS OF A MOTHERfeckING CUNTLOAF TRAVELING CIRCUS. We get to learn in detail the various members of the circus, including the velvet cape wearing owner, Valan Luca. Who, if I remember right, wanted to feck Nynaeve. Seeing as Carnies are the scum of the earth and make up both 50% of the world's sex offenders and your average hot dog, this is sort of understandable. What isn't understandable is Jordan dedicating something like 50-100 pages to this insane excursion, with descriptions of how the girls carefully learned to channel so they could do tightrope acts and a tally of who did and didn't mind wearing tight satin jumpsuits.

But then, Jordan puts a lot of stuff in the books that doesn't really need to be there, and this leads me back to both my original point, my favorite part of the review, and eventually, the conclusion. Jordan does in fact have an editor, but it's his wife. And while I'd like to believe that she treats her hubby just the same as she would anyone else who fell under her knife, that simply can't be true. She should be ashamed at what she's let get through and for letting this damn thing go on so long with still no end in sight. But this leads into my theory that half the stuff RJ put in the books he never expected to even get through - it was just meant to titillate his wife and encourage her to try new things in the bedroom. There's no other sane explanation for how some of this stuff got in there, because I refuse to believe that at his age Jordan hasn't learned not to talk about his fetishes in public.

Okay, here at my page, we're not exactly Puritan. In fact, we tend to hate censorship of all kinds. But it must be said here that there are places in WoT that are more than a little WHAT THE SHIT-ish. Not because there are actually people having sex, but because there are people not having sex while sexual imagery flies off the page at the speed of light, zonking your poor brain and reducing you to a confused, quivering mass. Here are some memorable examples of this pseudosex

- Everyone in the series is gradually turning into a lesbian. Moiraine was not a lesbian, nor was her friend Siuan, for about the first eight books. Then Jordan wrote a prequel where it is revealed that the two were "pillowfriends" when they got their training in the White Tower. This system, in addition to having the most retarded name ever, was never mentioned before and never affected any of the female characters in the series (Incidentally, this story also featured Lan as some other woman's bitch, but that's not the point here). Nor did it add anything to either character. In the next book, he introduced another lesbian character that no one cares about and made her a lesbian for no apparent reason. If this trend continues, I have to assume that by the end, Nynaeve, Aviendha, Siuan, Moirane, Cadsuane, and Egwene will be writhing together in one kinky, moany, sticky pile as they await the Last Battle.

- The gang heads out into the Aiel Waste, a harsh desert-like area. There, they decide to undergo trials at Rhuidean. Rand and Mat take part in one trial, Moiraine in another. For some reason, Moiraine's trial requires her to strip naked and run through the desert at top speed, breasts flopping. Rand and Mat, allowed to keep their clothes on, spot her and ogle.

- Egwene trains with the Aiel Wise Ones, who are all female channelers. She lies to them and tells them that she is a full Aes Sedai when in fact she is only a trainee. They determine that she must be punished. This entails a spanking with a leather strap by one Wise One in front of all the other Wise Ones. Keep in mind, Egwene is around 20 years old at this point. Yeaaaah.

- At one point Elayne, Nynaeve, and someone else are taken captive by a band of women who are working for the enemy. In an attempt to prevent them using magic to escape, they are tied to beds and force-fed a special drug through a funnel every hour on the hour. This bondage/domination scene grinds on for several pages as they struggle to regain their power in time (by the way, the men of the party, repeatedly called useless, save the day here, and get no gratitude).

- Aviendha and Elayne decide to become sisters. This unique ceremony involves them both stripping naked, kneeling on the floor before each other, and, before a watching crowd of Wise Ones and other assorted Aiel chicks, insulting each other, pulling each others' hair, and slapping each other about the face and breasts. I may be adding the hair pulling on my own, but the important thing is it's perfectly plausible for a scene that's already gone through Sanity Pass and deep into the Mountains of Freako.

And that's all I have. At this rate, Jordan will keep writing books until he keels over dead. Hopefully by that point his fans will have deserted him - you can already tell by the reviews of Crossroads of Twilight on Amazon.com that whatever freakish honeymoon may have started, it's over now. The fans are waking up from a drunken stupor and finding themselves in bed with a fat beast that loves to talk about dresses and how much honey its Aes Sedai friends take in their tea.

And they're running. FAST.

Nynaeve tugged her braid.
 
I haven't started it yet cause I have an exam on Friday and I knew that the moment I'll start it, I won't be able to stop reading. Sanderson is incredibly addictive (read the entire Mistborn trilogy on 3 days and his 2 Wheel of Time books on 2-3 days). And from what I have read, this is basically battle after battle so no way I can stop.

Hope to start (and finish) it during the weekend.

I really loved the series, to the degree that after I finished reading 'The Gathering Storm' I briefly played with the idea of doing an immediate re-read of the entire series. Fortunately, I dropped that idea now but I am almost sure that I will re-read the series (probably skipping book 9 and 10) on the next 5-10 years.

I remember them recommending them in an another thread (ASOIAF perhaps?) so cheers for that!

Yeah I read Mistborn in a matter of a couple weeks iirc. His writing has a much more action packed, roller coaster type pace than Robert Jordan, which I don't think was a bad thing for the end of the series.

I started re-reading this summer, finished The Shadow Rising a couple months ago and put it down for a bit. Just started up with Fires of Heaven yesterday, this will be my first complete re-read of the series despite starting them over ten years ago. Your reviews are getting me all excited again:)
 
I really am not a Sanderson fan. Admittedly I've only got The Way of Kings but I just can't read it. It reads like OTT fanfiction, it's just awful. Plus he's always struck me as a bit of a tool with an immensely punchable face.. Sanderson's first, second and third law? Does he think he's Isaac Asimov ffs?
 
I don't think The Way of Kings is the best book to be introduced to Sanderson. This book is so slow, and it has so many beginnings. I grinded to read it, I think it's only at chapter 7 I found something enjoyable and only around page 700 I was interested. I would have given up way before if I didn't like that much Mistborn.

Start with Misborn, at least 50 pages to see if you like it.
His laws are just the guidelines he uses, not some real rules other people have to follow.
 
Sanderson is also an insanely huge homophobe. He despises gay people. I'm not reading the books of a bigot.
 
Winter's Heart. I was tempted to throw my kindle from the window, burn my house, kill my neighbour's dog while I was reading this abomination of a book.

Almost nothing happens on 70% of the book. Ishamael makes a great speech on chaos' theory, Elayne trying to become a queen and the identity of Dashiva (Arangar) and Halima (Belthamel :lol:) is revealed. That's all for 500 pages or so. It is fecking annoying reading all that shit while nothing happens. Oh yeah, Rand fecked Elayne and apprently she is pregnant. With twins.

The last quarter of the book is alright. A bit similar to the sixth book (Rand's getting kidnapped) and a bit similar to the ending of the first two books (things going batshit crazy), but Rand managed to clean the saidar. That's all

I really hope that the next (10th) book is better. 3/10

That's a bit harsh, more than a bit actually.

I thought for the first time politics was written very well in the books, re Andor. The Seanchan were fleshed out very well in the books - their politics, structure and hierarchy. Until now, they were made out be some cartoon-ish evil people who were half mad. The last chapter was stunning, with the way Jodan alternated the PoV's. Mat's chapters were as good as always. I preferred it to book 8 which I thought was a bit shit and contrived to the point of Idiocy.

Oh and Dashiva was osan'gar and Halima was aran'gar.

One thing I will say is that Jordan really had no clue how to structure his books. Too many of the books have plots that are briefly introduced and then completely ignored for the rest of the book. Really annoying.
 
A Memory of Light. The final book on this great saga:

The book starts strongly, with Rand meeting Egwene and the world's leader. He says that he will fight the Dark One, only if they accept the following conditions:
- All borders will be sealed and no state will fight another one.
- They will accept to break the seals before sealing The Dark One again
- He will be the supreme commander of the Army of Light.

Egwene and most of the leaders refuse. There is a bitch fighting between 'the sheephearder woolhead Dragon Reborn' and the 'brat Amyrlin Seat'. It looks that this was waste of time. Until:
Moiraine Damodred enters and goes immediately on full Tolkien mode. Seriously, that was beyond Sanderson's ability. This is the same writter who said on Mistborn 'hat-trick' when Elend killed 3 koloss, and who mentioned on this book 'the butcher's bill'. But somehow, he managed to write such a speech from Moiraine. Well, as I said before, Moiraine raises cool points to people around her, so maybe it was more 'the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills' rather than something to do with Brandon Sanderson.

The leaders and Egwene agree, though there are some modifications. Aviendha asks Rand to put also the Aiel on the contract (on this way not letting the vision happen). Rand also has to convince Empress Fortuana (Tuon) to sign the contract. And actually, the Army of Light will be commanded from Elayne Trakand instead.

There will be 4 war fronts. Each of them leaded from one of the great captains. The Borderlands will fight beside Lan as their leader, though the army command will be under Agelmort. Aes Sedai will fight on Kandor. The leader is obviously Egwene, while the military command is under Bryne. Elayne will lead the forces on Andor, under the command of Bashere. The final front will be on Shayol Ghul where Rand will fight the Dark One. Military commander is Ituralde, while Aviendha will lead the channeleres. Other important channelers there are Cadsuane and Alivia. Rand will enter the cave, assisted by the two Aes Sedai he trusts most: Nynaeve al'Meara and Moiraine Damodred.

Before the war starts, Rand makes peace with Saenchan Empire. He convinces Tuon (with the help of Mat). He also has a bitch fight with Mat, whom of them have done better. Mats win it by saying that he has saved Moiraine.

The war starts. Graendal soon enough manages to use Compulsion (from the dream world) to all 4 great captains, making them sabotage the army. Lan finds that, but too late. Already 2/3 of his army is destroyed. Egwene is holding the Trollocs on Andor, untile the army of Sharaan (where the hell they were on the last 14 books?) come, commanded by the military leader of the forces of Shadow, Demandred himself. Aes Sedai suffer heavy casualties, and together with Bryne 'betrayel' they are almost collapsed. On the third front, Elaybe does well to find Bashere betrayel, but again too late. They are going to defeated. And then Logain comes with hundred(s) of Ashaman and saves the day for here. On the second front, Mat takes the charge of the Saenchan forces and gives heavy casualties to the Enemy Forces, saving the Aes Sedai. Ituralde stands better against the Compulsion, and somehow his forces maintain the standing.

After brief negotiations, all three fronts (bar that of Shayol Ghul) return to Field of Merrilin on a last standing. Lead by Mat. Soon enough, enemoies arrive, lead by Demandred.

Mat does well and against all odds (being outnumbered 4-1 on soldiers, with the enemy having better channelers too) manages to stand. However not without heavy casualties, and it is only a matter of time until the enemy will win. Demandred, during the entire time asks for Lews Therin to challenge him. He also leads both the army (and he is an awesome commander) and the channelers on a full circle to cause damage to the Light. Gawyn challenges him. And dies, sending Egwene on trans mode. Galad next, and loses his hand. The third one is Logain, who barely escapes. On the same time, Egwene is leading the Aes Sedai against the channelers, doing incredibly well.

Siuan Sanche :( Gets killed by the Gray Men. Such a wonderful character, with such a bad end.

To, the point. Egwene fighting against the Mhael. She does well, but the Mhael has a saengral which gives him incredible strength. And then, seeing that the odds are against her, Egwene sacrificies herself, using the Flame of Tar Valon weave, killing hundreds of enemy channeleres, including the Mhael.
Egwene is dead - one of the best characters ever on the fantasy. At around the same time, Lan faces Demandred. Aided with Mat's medallion fox which gives immunity to channeling, Lan manages to kill him.

With Demandred gone, the enemy forces are under the command of Moghedien, who is pretty clueless. Olver sounds the Horn, making the heroes return to add them. Mat takes charge and soon enough, The Light is on the attack.

Perrin is during the entire time on the Wolf Dream, defending Rand from Slayer. He manages to kill Slayer and then goes to Shayol Ghul. He is aided by Lanfear, who looks to want the Shadow to be almost losing, before she will change the war.

During the entire time, Rand is on struggle against the Dark One (after a brief duel with Moridin). He sees countless viosions of what will happen, worlds with Shaitan dead and with Shaitan victorious. All bad. He realizes that he shouldn't kill Shaitan. He is also almost broken. Egwene ghost helps him to make a final fight. And he wins, resealing the prison on the process.

At the same time, Perrin kills Lanfear, who is going to change the fight by turning against the Light. He finds Faile and saves her. Mat kills Padan Fain.

People attend his funeral. Cadsuane becomes the new Amyrlin Seat. All is good.

Rand, in fact hasn't died. He has changed bodies - assisted by Alivia - but only 3 people know it. Elayne, Aviendha and Min. Well, and Cadsuane who guesses it. He isn't anymore the Dragon Reborn, he isn't anymore a channeler. He now, is just a normal boy - who can change the patterns as he wish, and do stuff without channeling :wenger:

Not sure if I really liked the last thing, but otherwise it was a great book. 9/10

So, this is the end. My rating from best to worst:

1) Book 5: The Fires of Heaven 10/10
2) Book 12: The Gathering Storm 10/10
3) Book 1: The Eye of The World 9/10
4) Book 14: A Memory of Light 9/10
5) Book 4: The Shadow Rising 8/10
6) Book 3: Dragon Reborn 8/10
7) Book 2: The Great Hunt 8/10
8) Book 6: Lord of Chaos 7/10
9) Book 7: A Crown of Swords 6/10
10) Book 0: New Spring 6/10
11) Book 13: Towers of Midnight 6/10
12) Book 11: Knife of Dreams 6/10
13) Book 8: The Path of Daggers 6/10
14) Book 10: Crossroads of Twilight 4/10
15) Book 9: Winter's Heart 3/10

Fantastic series and well worthy of a reading (or two, or three). I read them on around 80 days, and I can say that it was a wonderful time doing so.
 
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Summary of the characters (in order of importance).

Rand al'Thor
I think that Rand could have been done better, but still was good. He started as a naive village boy, became the Dragon Reborn, denied it, accpeted it, became a conqueror, became Dark Rand, got almost broken but manages to survive and to become the old Rand. He won the fight on the end, not only saving the world, but giving to it stability and peace.
On love affairs, he started with Egwene with whom he was almost betrothed. Soon they realized that they aren't on love with each other, but they are like brother and sister. They had fights, they relationship went bad at times, and they almost fought each other in the end. However, the final meeting was on good terms, like Rand and Egwene, not like Dragon and Amyrlin. Egwene helped him considerably after she died.
His three love affairs were Elayne, Aviendha and Min. He loved each of them equal, though on the last months he spent most time with Min, without whom he would have lost. Elayne is pregnant with his twins. Aviendha is pregnant too. Probably all three of them are reincarnations of Ilyane.
He had special relations with Mat and Perrin, his old friends. Despite what they say, they were always near each other, helping each other.
He found a brother.
Balefired Rahvin, Sammael, Sermihage. Defeated Ishamael regularly, and killed Aginor.
The two persons he truested most, were Moiraine and Nynaeve. They assisted him on the end.
Lanfear wanted him. When she realized that this won't happen, she wanted him dead. He had a special relation with Ishamael. All other Forsaken wanted him dead, especially 'Mr. Almost Lews Therin' Demandred.
Not liked his final fate. It would have been a better ending if he would have died IMO.

Egwene Al'Vere
The female hero of the saga. Started as just a girl, went on Tar Valon, became Aes Sedai, becamed the best Amyrlin Seat ever, saved the order against Saenchan and finally sacrificed herself to defeat the Shaaran channeleres and M'hael, saving the other Aes Sedai. Helped Rand on the final battle, asking him to not try to save everyone, not cry for her and the others but continue the fight. Destoyed the brain of one of the Forsaken - Messana - and killed another one, M'Hael.
After she and Rand mutually realized that they don't love each other, she fell in love with Gawyn. Possible reincarnation of Queen Eldrene. Fantastic character

Matrim Cauthon
Transforrmed from a fool boy, to the greatest general on the world. Saved the other heroes countless times. Lately she saved Moiraine, who was the key on the last battle. Married (and made pregnant) Tuon, the Saenchan Empress. As the main general of the Army of Light, he managed to do well against Demandred. On the end, he won the battle. Killed Padan Fain on the end, helping Rand what must be done

Perrin Aybara
Was good at the beginning, but I found his story become worse on the later books. Never cared for his clash with Slayer. Still, he was very important and without him al would have been lost. Now a Lord of Two Rivers and husband of soon to be Queen Faile.

el'Nynaeve ti al'Meara Mandragoran
Annoying bitch for half of the time, managed to become better later and was great on the end. The most powerful Aes Sedai on at-least the last thousand years. Did some great things, including assisting the Dragon on the end. Queen of the refounded kingdom of Malkieri. Defeated - but not killed - Moghedien, one of the Forsaken.

Elayne Trakand
Started as a Highborn Egwane on the beginning, and was actually on every aspect better than her. But while Egwene became wiser, Elayne became more stupid with each day passing. Somehow managed to redeem herself on the last battle, when she was quite good.

Moiraine Damodred
The best character ever written on a fantasy saga. Moiraine the Greatest.
Started as an Accepted who heard the foretelling that the Dragon is reborn. Together with her friend (by the way, they were lesbic) Siuan Sanche, they made the mission of their life to see the Dragon fight the last battle. Hunted by the Black Ajah, they managed to do well. Made Lan - the greatest swordsman of her time, if not ever - her Warder. Found Rand and other Eamon Fielders. Protected them where they were helpless, and became mentor of them for some time. Survived the battle against Two Forsaken (Belthamel and Aringor). Balefired and killed for good another Forsaken, Belal. Was the only person who was able to influence the Dragon for some time. Sacrificed herself by almost killing, a powerful forsaken, Lanfear. Suffered a year from Snakes and Foxes.
Saved by Thom, Mat and Noal. Bonded and married Thom. Convinced everyone to accept Rand's plan. Assisted him on the final battle.
Was able to understand everything, including things that weren't said. A talent shared by her friend, Siuan.
Undoubtedly, the greatest Aes Sedai of the Third Age.
The only thing I regret, is why Sanderson didn't gave her a final meeting with Siuan.

Siuan Sanche
Moiraine's friend, so by default a good character. Helped Moiraine when she was eyes and ears of the Blue, and then as Amyrlin. Unconciously saved Rand's life. Was removed as Amyrlin, stilled. One of the most important reasons why The Rebels were able to stand together. Influeced other Aes Sedai. Became Egwene's mentor and shaped her into a great Amyrlin. Bonded and married, Gareth Bryne.
Killed by the Gray Man.

al'Lan Mandragoran
Warder of Moiraine. Saved the Eamon Fielders. Teached Rand how to use the sword. After Moiraine's death, he had a crysis. Bonded and married with Nynaeve. Killed Demandred. The best swordsman of his time. One of the most important reasons why the Light stand.

Aviendha
As annoying as Nynaeve on the beginning. Decent on the end. One of Rand's lovers and leaded the channelers near Shayov Ghul, defeating Graendal on the proces

Elmindreda 'Min' Farshaw
Nice character who started slowly but became progressively better and more important. Very important on the final battle. During Rand's darkness, she was the only reason which made him to stay on the light.

Thom Merrilling
Quite good, and very important. Saved Rand and Mat. Hlped Elayne, Nynaeve and Aviendha. Helped Mat. Saved Moiraine. And the lucky old man, bonded and married her

Tuon/Fortuana
The craziest person on the sage after Ishamael. Leader of a crazy nation. Funny as hell. Wife of Mat, and the most powerful human leader. Her forces was the difference between a win a total defeat

Faile Bashere t'Aybara
Good character which complimented Perrin perfectly

Cadsuane Melaidhrin
A very important Aes Sedai, who took the role of Moiraine briefly. Helped Rand countless time. Indirectly, made Rand to let the Darknessgot from him. De facto, leader of the Light forces on the battle to clean Saidin. Very important on the final battle. Guessed correctly, that Rand - after all - lives, which was one of her missions. Forced to become Amyrlin Seat.

Ishamael/Moridin
Absolutely great antagonist. In many ways similar to Rand. The only Forsaken who went to the Darkness, not for the Power but for other reasons. He thought that The Dark One will win in one of the cycles. Became convinced that he is a part of the eternal struggle between him and the Dragon. Maybe, he was right.
By far, the most powerful Forsaken. Leader of them. Arguably, the most intelligient being on the entire saga. Ironically, he was insane during the all time. Arguably, the only Forsaken (well, to a degree Asmodean too) who wasn't evil.

Lanfear/Cyndane
Good antagonist. Obsessed with Lews Therin and later with Rand al'Thor. She was either going to make him hers, or to kill him. Was very near both of these things. First time stopped by Moiraine, second time by Perrin.
The most beautiful girl ever. Ironically, she helped the Light much more than she helped the Shadow.

Demandred
Good antagonist. Managed to make the most powerful Army from all the Forsaken and was the military leader of it. If it wasn't for Mat, he would have easily crushed the Army of Light. Killed Gawyn, which indirectly made Egwene die. Wounded Galad and easily overpowered Logain. Send M'hael to the Shadow, on the process getting hundreds of channelers.
Obsessed with Lews Therin, and like on the previous age, fooled by him. Killed by Lan

Padan Fain
Creepy as hell. Insane! Obsessed with Rand. Killed by Mat

Elaida do Avriny a'Roihan
What could have been a great character, and a great antagonist, ended as a tragedy of writting. The most stupid person on the saga.

Shai'tan
Inspired by Sauron, inspired Ruin. A metaphysical entity. The similarity between him and Ruin is very big. In fact, Sanderson must have thought that they are the same, considering how similar Rand-Shai'tan and Vin-Ruin fights are.
He's basically the chaos. He's also not evil, but just something neccesary.
 
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Just read a short story about Bao the Wyld. Sanderson also confirmed that the prophecies for Bao the Wyld were actually prophecies for Demandred, not Rand. So, the first possible scenario is that Ishamael manipulated/created the prophecies, similar to how he did with the Saenchan prophecies. Or, this theory - which I found fascinating. Although I love Rand, if this had happened it would have been much more interesting. Totally unpredictable, much more darker but very interesting

Also, some interesting speculation. We have always been told that even when the Dragon goes over to the Shadow - it results in a draw. Which has always seemed strange. Perhaps Demandred was actually a pawn of the Pattern - a grand weaving of 3000+ years. If Rand had not had his VoG moment, he would most likely have ended up serving the Shadow. In this case, he would probably have had the Chodean Kal, Callandor, experience, and the Forsaken on his side.

Demandred with his Ayyad, Sarkarnen and his own knowledge, quite possibly could have been set in place to kill Rand, and save the Pattern from total destruction. Obviously, it wouldn't be his intention to do so, and he would likely also die in the process - the Pattern wouldn't want him beyond that. However, he would have been the only one - some would say bold, others crazy - enough to defy the Shadow and attack Rand (who would probably be Nae'Blis). His hatred of Rand defined him - it lead to his downfall. But in the world of If, could it not also have been the Pattern's tool? It seems much like a back-up plan, like Fain was in case Rand actually did decide to kill the DO.

This way you could take the prophecy of "he who is owned by the land" in two ways.

One would be the reference to his hatred of Rand - who is one with the land. His hatred owned Demandred, so in a way, Rand owned him, he was so obsessed.

Also, you could take it to mean he was a tool of the Pattern. If Rand turns - Demandred kills him. If not, then the Pattern discards him.

In a way, it also makes sense in terms of Demandred's actions in aMoL. The Pattern could have woven him to be the commander over the Shadow precisely because of his hatred of Lews Therin. Demandred didn't kill everyone all at once, nor did he care about actually winning the Last Battle. All he did was to lure out Rand and face him.

If say - Graendal or Moghedien were in Demandred's position, and had his skill with battle, they would have totally destroyed the armies of the Light and fought to kill - not to goad Rand.

So, the Pattern sets up Demandred - the Last Battle hinges on him basically. (Even had Rand won, most of the people would be dead and the bulk of the remaining forces loyal to the Shadow) With Rand post - VoG, Demandred was no longer needed to kill Rand - however, still served the Pattern by being the cause of the Shadow's loss. When he died, everything fell to pieces. You could argue that the Shadow still could have won the battle - which indeed they could have - but if Demandred remained alive - there was NO chance of winning.

It makes more sense this way - even though most of it is speculation. I prefer to fill in the gaps with Patterns, makes it much more vivid.
 
I really am not a Sanderson fan. Admittedly I've only got The Way of Kings but I just can't read it. It reads like OTT fanfiction, it's just awful. Plus he's always struck me as a bit of a tool with an immensely punchable face.. Sanderson's first, second and third law? Does he think he's Isaac Asimov ffs?
I don't think The Way of Kings is the best book to be introduced to Sanderson. This book is so slow, and it has so many beginnings. I grinded to read it, I think it's only at chapter 7 I found something enjoyable and only around page 700 I was interested. I would have given up way before if I didn't like that much Mistborn.

Start with Misborn, at least 50 pages to see if you like it.
His laws are just the guidelines he uses, not some real rules other people have to follow.
Actually I'd say try The Emperor's Soul first. It's a novella, so it's a much smaller time investment, but it's a great example of his better work. If you like that then Mistborn is the next step, then his other stuff.

I've been reading The Riyria Revelations, finding it impossible to put them down :D
 
I haven't read much (any) of the thread apart from the OP.

But one fantasy series that I'd recommend is The Dark Tower Series by Stephen King (and maybe RolandofGilead and Randall Flagg can chip in here as well).

The core part of the series comprises of 7 books plus two short stories, and one stand alone novel that takes place between the 4th and 5th books in the series. I think there's also a comic series, but I haven't read them.

It is a epic fantasy series, described as Stephen King's magnum opus.

The first 4 books of the series, I raced through. I loved them. There are some silly bits here and there, but generally, I really enjoyed them.

The latter 3 books I felt disappointed with. Very disappointed. I won't reveal any spoilers etc, but I didn't like the last 3 books all that much.

The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger-8/10
The Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three-7/10
The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands-8/10
The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass-9/10
The Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla-3/10
The Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah-3/10
The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower-6/10

They're the core books. There's also a stand-alone story taking place between books VI and V.

The Dark Tower: The Wind Through the Keyhole-9/10
 
I finished reading The Dresden Files. Just saw there is a TV series based on the books. Is it any good?

Also any suggestions on what I could read next?

FYI have read the ASOIF, WOT, Mistborn, Broken Law Trilogy, Stormlight Archive, Kingkiller Chronicles.
 
I finished reading The Dresden Files. Just saw there is a TV series based on the books. Is it any good?

Also any suggestions on what I could read next?

FYI have read the ASOIF, WOT, Mistborn, Broken Law Trilogy, Stormlight Archive, Kingkiller Chronicles.
Sounds like you'd like Riyria, a lot. The first book was good, the other five increase in quality as they go along. Relatively standard fantasy setting, but very original and interesting take on everything.

Blurb from the back of my copy: "Royce Melborn is a talented thief. His partner, Hadrian Blackwater, is a skilled mercenary. Together they make a profitable living as agents-for-hire to wealthy nobles - until they become the unwitting scapegoats in a plot to murder the king."

If you want something a little more unusual, I recently read the Long Price Quartet, thought they were brilliant. Nothing like the standard fantasy series though, but really worth a look.

Actually thinking about it, have you read the Assassin's Apprentice (and it's insane number of sequels)? Love those books even more than the others I've mentioned.
 
Going for Half a King book, then Tigana or Elantris before I jumo into the next big saga. Already decided that it will be 'The Black Company'.

While it is a very big saga, I calculated that it is only 32.5% as big as Wheel of Time. So, another good thing of Wheel of Time is that it makes other big sagas look short.
 
I'm very fond on ASOIF & the Raymond E. Feist books. are there any other series that would fit within that picture?
The First Law is griddy, dark and has even more gray characters than ASOIAF. It isn't as complex as ASOIAF and neither written as good, but from what I have read, it is the closest thing to it.
 
But one fantasy series that I'd recommend is The Dark Tower Series by Stephen King (and maybe RolandofGilead and Randall Flagg can chip in here as well).

The core part of the series comprises of 7 books plus two short stories, and one stand alone novel that takes place between the 4th and 5th books in the series. I think there's also a comic series, but I haven't read them.

It is a epic fantasy series, described as Stephen King's magnum opus.

The first 4 books of the series, I raced through. I loved them. There are some silly bits here and there, but generally, I really enjoyed them.

The latter 3 books I felt disappointed with. Very disappointed. I won't reveal any spoilers etc, but I didn't like the last 3 books all that much.

I agree there. The self-referencing, dear gods, it made me shudder.
 
Half a King (Shattered Sea #1) from Joe Abercrombie:

Finished it yesterday and I really loved it. I think that I liked it more than any of The First Law books.

It isn't targeted at younger readers, just that it doesn't have Glokta torturing people. Otherwise, it is as dark and grim as Abercrombie's other books. It probably isn't as deep as the First Law (well and it is much shorter) but I found it a more fun reading. It is entirely told by a single POV, and actually that is the only important character on the book. All the others are supporting crew.

I liked the setting, it was very different to fantasy books, and kingdoms were quite smaller (not tens of thousand of soldiers etc). It was very VIking-ish in my opinion. There was also a total lack of magic (magic isn't that important on Joe's books but this time it was completely absent) but that does't bother me.

It has quite a few twists and a very good ending. Would recommend it to anyone, especially to those who like Abercrombie.

PS: What is the deal with names when it comes to Abercrombie? He is easily the worst author when it comes to names. 20 hours after I finish the book and I must have forgotten all of them. Most of them are unspellable and the others just stupid. I mean seriously, one of the characters was called Shadiksharram. It was already bad on TFL, but now it it was even worse IMO. Why he just doesn't try harder to make nice names or hire someone to help with them? Why doesn't his editor do something about it. Am I the only one who find this part of Abercrombie novels very terrible?
 
Prince of Thorns (The Broken Empire #1) from Mark Lawrence.

Don't know how I feel for this book. The prose was good. The story was average I would say. And then it was the protagonist. While the usual protagonists are generally good, or a bit gray (Abercrombie's characters) here the protagonist was the worst kind of scum. On the first 10 pages or so, he massacred a village, raped 2 girls and then tortured a guy before giving him to villagers to burn him. It's well beyong the anti-hero protagonist, it's on villain territory.

While the dark and grim fantasy is becoming very the 'in' thing these days (thanks to George Martin who to a degree started it, and then Joe Abercrombie who went a step further), Lawrence in my opinion went far further than anything I have read. On some parts, this book is the equivalent of 'A Serbian film' movie. And have to say that I was tempted to leave it a few times.

But yes, there are some good parts on it and overall it is an okay read. Will continue with the second book.

PS: Contrary to most fantasy novels which take place on other worlds, this story takes place in a post-apocalyptic Earth (hinted to be 1100 years after a nuclear war).

PPS: Another interesting thing is that the protagonist is only 14 years old and has been the leader of a group of bandits since he was 11. Extremely unbelievable.
 
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I quite enjoyed those books, purely because the main character is so different to all the regular books. Plot itself isn't the greatest, but decent books overall
 
Just started reading Promise of Blood by Brian McClellan. Will report back when I'm done. Anyone else read it before?
 
Just started reading Promise of Blood by Brian McClellan. Will report back when I'm done. Anyone else read it before?

Finished it this morning. Nothing overly amazing but good enough to make me want to go and read the rest of the series (well the next book anyway). The world is intriguing but McClellan never seems to go into detail about any of it which is disappointing. There is a lot going on and seems that for the first half of the book a chapter does not go by without some major incident occurring which I can't decide if I like or dislike about the book.

Still, a good read which I'd recommend.
 
What did you think of the ending? Like the last few pages etc

Wow, completely missed that, sorry. What can I say? It's all about the journey, I guess. At that point I was just glad to be through with it, tbh. I'm doubting between 'ultimate cop-out' and 'probably for the best'. So much potential, shame.
 
ON a side note, don't know if Guy Gavriel Kay has been mentioned here before (I assume so), but 'The lions of Al-Rassan' is awesome.
 
ON a side note, don't know if Guy Gavriel Kay has been mentioned here before (I assume so), but 'The lions of Al-Rassan' is awesome.
I read Sailing to Sarantium recently, think that's set in the same world as Lions of Al-Rassan. It was good, but didn't really connect with any of the characters. Any idea which one is supposed to be better?
 
I read Sailing to Sarantium recently, think that's set in the same world as Lions of Al-Rassan. It was good, but didn't really connect with any of the characters. Any idea which one is supposed to be better?

Unfortunately I couldn't say, because I haven't read Sailing to Sarantium myself. I heard people say that they found 'Sailing...' to be a bit slow-paced a times and having several fairly uninteresting side characters that just drop out of the story. But Lions in my view has a very focused plot with a only few main characters who are all well-rounded and very emotive. And the setting is fantastic, very vibrant.
 
Unfortunately I couldn't say, because I haven't read Sailing to Sarantium myself. I heard people say that they found 'Sailing...' to be a bit slow-paced a times and having several fairly uninteresting side characters that just drop out of the story. But Lions in my view has a very focused plot with a only few main characters who are all well-rounded and very emotive. And the setting is fantastic, very vibrant.
Yeah it was pretty slow, though that wasn't the problem for me. Not really sure what it was, might have just been disappointment since I had expected it to be a lot better. I'm becoming increasingly hard to please, I want characters that are as vivid as Fitz & the Fool as well as settings/magic as unique as the Long Price Quartet... haven't found anything that scratches that itch yet though! I'll give Lions a try at some point though, will add it to my to read pile :D