Fantasy Draft Final - antohan v Brwned

[antohan]

No Breitner on Rummenigge and Briegel spare? No Platini having a telepathic understanding with Boniek? No mention of Scirea getting his instruction to keep tabs on Platini deep into injury time?

Anyhow, I liked the peno idea Reckon we should use it in future as the standard option in future knockouts.

No worries Pol, I always knew that was going that way. I was actually expecting you to go for Brwned and maybe Gio settling it one way or the other. Probably should have done more to widen the gap and avoid the draw. Didn't. Tough.

Congrats Brwned. The stuff I posted earlier on your three attackers is honestly how I saw it, as is the final joint team, which is a testament to what a tight game this was bound to be!

 

[Jayvin]

Unlucky, anto. Great final though, I very much enjoyed reading all the tactical discussions and debates. The penalty idea sounded pretty fun too. Oh well, congrats Brwned!

 

[Theon]

Why has Anto lost? Is it not a draw?

 

[Jayvin]

Why has Anto lost? Is it not a draw?

Polaroid voted for Brwned to make it 11-10, albeit after the time allotted for the poll had passed; which to be honest isn't the fairest way to decide this. I'd much rather see antohan's penalty idea, though that's probably just because I love these fantasy football tournaments and don't want it to end.

 

[Polaroid]

No Breitner on Rummenigge and Briegel spare? No Platini having a telepathic understanding with Boniek? No mention of Scirea getting his instruction to keep tabs on Platini deep into injury time?

Anyhow, I liked the peno idea Reckon we should use it in future as the standard option in future knockouts.

I considered that too - Breitner on Rummenigge leaves Briegel spare on your side but also leaves Kaltz spare on Brwned's side. That potentially frees up Vierchowod and McGrath, which comparatively helps Brwned more - Vierchowod being the fastest defender by some distance can use his pace covering team-mates, plugging gaps and recovering lapses

Platini and Boniek's understanding has already been weighted into the consideration along with all the other points from both sides in the preceding 3 pages. It is one of the factors that helps you stack up against Brwned's player quality and goal threat. The difference that helped Brwned nick it in the end was the impact of the defensive set-up and instructions

Perhaps there should be extra-time first before teams go to "penalty kicks" ie extending voting hours for another 16 hours (16 extra hours for a 48 hour final is equivalent to 30 extra minutes for a 90 minute match)
The debate can be fleshed out further and Caf members who missed the match in regulation time/have been sitting on the fence undecided can share their thoughts and cast their vote
Using random.org to determine successful penalty kicks is essentially no different from tossing a coin to determine the winner - a bona fide lottery compared to penalty kicks in real-life which actually involve kicking/saving a ball and test mental strength, composure among others

 

[antohan]

I considered that too - Breitner on Rummenigge leaves Briegel spare on your side but also leaves Kaltz spare on Brwned's side.

But in the attacking phase Kaltz has to keep tabs on Breitner. I know it means busting a gut, but it is the sort of thing Breitner could do. That said, it would be fair to say sometimes he wouldn't make it at one of the two ends.

Perhaps there should be extra-time first before teams go to "penalty kicks" ie extending voting hours for another 16 hours (16 extra hours for a 48 hour final is equivalent to 30 extra minutes for a 90 minute match)

No way, it was excruciatingly long as it was. When I came in and saw the draw with 4-5 mins to go I just wanted it done. I no longer cared which way, but after 24 hours it was no fun any more.

The debate can be fleshed out further and Caf members who missed the match in regulation time/have been sitting on the fence undecided can share their thoughts and cast their vote

That's what the previous 24 hours were for. There is some merit in it in that I noticed some people who were regularly voting for me didn't show up (Theon, RNilsson, petestorey). The latter somewhat understandably not in the mood But on those grounds these things would never end.

Using random.org to determine successful penalty kicks is essentially no different from tossing a coin to determine the winner - a bona fide lottery compared to penalty kicks in real-life which actually involve kicking/saving a ball and test mental strength, composure among others

If the game has been drawn there's little separating the sides. The result could have gone down to someone randomly showing up in the last minute and voting either way. It could have been an antohan voter or a Brwned voter and the voting suggests the random probability was 50-50, same as in this pure lottery.

In real life I would probably have an edge in having the better keeper but with the lineups we could put together for shooting the result really would be a toss-up:

Breitner-Falcao-Passarella-Platini-Schuster
vs
Neeskens-Rummenigge-Zico-Sánchez-Blokhin

Calling the result would be no different from a toss-up because there's nothing separating those two sets of peno takers but random luck. The only significant difference would be if either keeper is a peno specialist, that would sure impact, but I have no recollection of either's penalty-saving form, do you?

 

[Hallucinogen]

Does anyone have an idea for the next draft?I do want to try my hand at these games.How about an open one?Yes that would mean ridiculously strong teams for every player but that would also mean a strong and potentially great competition throughout.

Though of course the thought process involved in building a team would lessen because of the availability of the vast amount of players.

Still could be interesting, I'd definitely try my hand at this game if the next one has players that I can identify with.

 

[antohan]

Does anyone have an idea for the next draft?I do want to try my hand at these games.How about an open one?Yes that would mean ridiculously strong teams for every player but that would also mean a strong and potentially great competition throughout.

Though of course the thought process involved in building a team would lessen because of the availability of the vast amount of players.

Still could be interesting, I'd definitely try my hand at this game if the next one has players that I can identify with.

I think the main idea for the next one was to replicate what was done in the newbies: any player, from any era, so long as each of your 11 are from different nationalities. Humongous pool, put with a constraint that keeps it interesting in the draft and thereafter (say you beat someone who has Pelé... but it means dropping Garrincha, ouch!).

 

[Brwned]

Here's their final lineups:

TEAM FORMATIONS

AldoRaine18

Edogen

Team Overview

 

[antohan]

Wow! Aldo has improved from what already looked like an amazing drafted side!

How many players do they pick along the way? He seems to have picked a fair few. Still with Southall though Amazing that he didn't pick Pfaff.

It's almost impossible to separate the two sides though, are they still voting in droves nonetheless? McGrath-Robbo-Best probably cleaning up, unless the newbs are packed with rival WUMs

Again, two of your men featuring in their final and two of mine. Another draw!

 

[Brwned]

Noticed that myself!

Their game finished a while back, 29-26. Probably more votes than we got in the two semi finals combined! Just realised that was EDogen's attempt at a last minute winner, he started off with Gentile at left back, Djalma Santos at right back and Ronaldo on the bloody bench!

 

[Donaldo]

Ah, so it appears my random vote for Brwned because anto was being an idiot about Ramsey actually decided this.

Oops.

 

[antohan]

Noticed that myself!

Their game finished a while back, 29-26. Probably more votes than we got in the two semi finals combined! Just realised that was EDogen's attempt at a last minute winner, he started off with Gentile at left back, Djalma Santos at right back and Ronaldo on the bloody bench!

and still managed to run it so close? Aldo seems to have adopted your bizarre forward tridents though. I'm always clueless as to how they are meant to work: surely Maradona and Best are playing in completely different ways?

But Gentile left and Ronaldo benched resulting only in a 5% gap indicates the recent greats are the way to go.

feck that, I'd rather go for a side that is the bollocks and loses every game, but you won't see me telling everyone how David Villa is better than Gerd Muller.

I already have 2-3 suicidal choices in mind, but they deserve to be in an all-time competition. The problem with that is I get more engrossed the more there is an emotional attachment to the players The players I pick along the way I treat very much as mercenaries. By the final it was only Boniek I was really disappointed for.

 

[antohan]

Ah, so it appears my random vote for Brwned because anto was being an idiot about Ramsey actually decided this.

Oops.

Eh? You are kidding right? I just said it sounded like he hadn't left it behind, didn't even make a value judgement on whether that was good or bad. I don't even fecking care about Ramsey and Shawcross and whether they play for Wales or not.

And then Pol tells me penalties are too random a way to decide an outcome...

 

[antohan]

Now all I need is Levo telling me he voted because I suggested Berba be sent to Arsenal as part of the deal

That was Ardiles in all likelihood though. I did find it odd that an Arse fan would chip in out of nowhere to vote for a Spurs legend, this explains it now.

Idiot.

 

[Polaroid]

The only significant difference would be if either keeper is a peno specialist, that would sure impact, but I have no recollection of either's penalty-saving form, do you?

Fillol was more of the penalty specialist though. I remember him saving a crunch penalty against Poland at World Cup 78 and I believe he held the record for the most number of penalties saved in the Argentine league

 

[antohan]

Fillol was more of the penalty specialist though. I remember him saving a crunch penalty against Poland at World Cup 78 and I believe he held the record for the most number of penalties saved in the Argentine league

Wouldn't surprise me at all, I had a lot of time for Fillol, class keeper. Would have thought Gatti had that record though, he was immense at penalties and had a longer career. But then, your team has to concede enough for you to save enough I guess.