Fans are turning on Ole faster than they did on Moyes, LVG and Jose

redmanx said:
When Matt Busby was given the job he had never managed a professional club before, but I believe he did quite well. Brian Clough went from being manager of lowly Hartlepools to 2nd Division Derby County and took them to Div 1 and then three years later they were champions....not sure what Cloughie did next. A certain Alex Ferguson began his managerial career, aged 32, at East Stirling; he then went to St. Mirren before joining Aberdeen in 1978. Ferguson, like, Clough, Shankly and others cut his managerial teeth at small clubs before finding incredible success at clubs they will always be associated with. Busby went straight into the hot seat at an Old Trafford ravaged by bombs and in deep debt, but he rebuilt the club from the bottom up; theres nothing to say Ole will follow these illustrious gentlemen, but lets give the guy a chance, eh?
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Absolutely.
Of course somebody has been a Negative Nancy and had a dig at you but if they are happy ignoring historical context, that's their problem. One constant of success at the highest level in sporting teams regardless of what sport it is - the managers/coaches are given the necessary backing and time especially when damage has been done.

Sustained success never comes from unrealistic deadlines placed on managers/coaches. And of course there is the issue of this is 2019 and the game has changed etc but essential values about how to find success when your club has dropped its bundle remain.
 
Crustanoid said:
Anyone getting on Olés back clearly has a short memory and / or issues.

Try being a United fan in Fergies first few seasons.

Olés done great all things considered
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Yes and I get the feeling a fair proportion of naysayers here don't even remember the early Alex Ferguson years.

The yells and chants of 'Fergie Out' are most likely a new discovery for them if they look back at the first years of United under Alex Ferguson on the net.
 
CaptainAvengers said:
I've got my thoughts on this conspiracy theory that the club always intended to appoint Ole from the start. the perfect option, he's cheap as chips to manage your club (does everything Fergie does but on a fraction of the budget!), yes man, fans love him. that is why they couldn't wait to hand him the job full-time as soon as possible. fans are not stupid, every club has a "new manager bounce" even ones in relegation when Harry takes over etc. they was very savvy to do it just before the "new manager bounce" wore off and he started to rub players like Pogba up for the wrong way.

I bet the Glaziers are loving it :lol: Ole must be on less than 1/3 of Mourinho's wages, if not less. And he answers "Yes Ed!" perfect! they even save money on appointing a proper director of football like that Mitchell guy.. as "Cheap as chips" Ole will do everything he's told.

I love Ole, but he is not the right man for the rebuilding job needed at this moment in time. He isn't strong enough to ship out all the deadwood needed.

Maybe Ole himself should resign in the summer citing not been good enough for this club? he is honourably so it is something I'd expect him to do. he is a lovely bloke. Mr.Nice guy.
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This is a pathetic post. And a Mod edited it. Maybe all of it should have disappeared.
 
People these days.
He's neither the problem nor the solution.
 
There's a long post in my head about where we are and how we got here but I'll keep it short.

There is no manager who would be a sure thing to bring us back to glory, either quickly or 2-3 seasons from now. Ole is a risk and he may turn out to be a disaster, but based on what we saw he was able to accomplish in his first few months we can see the potential is there for greatness as a United manager.

If the wheels fall off, they fall off, but let's give him a chance to right this ship.
 
Ole will only be the problem if he persists on playing crap players and doesn’t buy well. The big reason we are nowhere near challenging is the teams at the top have better players. I look forward to what Ole does this summer but if we start next season with Young, Lingard etc in our starting 11 he will need to be prepared for another tough season of mediocrity.

I have faith in him just not so much in the people above him.
 
Feck 'em. It's the same kind of "fans" who would have sacked SAF in 1989, 1990 or even 1987.

I'm not sayin' Ole will be as great as SAF, but the Honeymoon alone is worth the price for a huge summer transfer window and full support for the entire 2019-20 season, unless we are like 8th and out of the EL (or UCL?) by December.
 
He is the true Glazer puppet , the true Glazer Woodward yes man. I will get hate for saying that but it's the only truth , everything he said on public was straight up from their mouth , he will save their money no matter what , he can lose 7 games straight and still don't get sacked because of it. We are just a has-been big club.
 
K2K said:
I think so too.

Results will probably be poor but he will get a stay of execution based on who he is. But by the end of the season Woodward will pull the trigger. Yes. Woodward will still be here by then.
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I don’t know, I think if he is around at the end of the season it means the team played some pretty good football throughout the year and has started building towards an identity or style. If the team starts poor and doesn’t show any improvement month to month he is probably out of his depth and needs to be let go. By Christmas we should have some sort of indication where this experiment is headed
 
Call me delusional, but will be here end of next season
Even though we lost 7 in the last 10, most of these have been against top teams. Barca,Arsenal, City.. except maybe Everton/Wolves.
If he re recruits properly, and we are beat the teams other than top6 , he will be here
 
I hope recent results will open his eyes that We need better players as it's not the 90's or early 00's anymore. I was afraid Ole will trust the likes of Lingard, Rashford, Martial to be first choices when it's obvious the PL top three have better players than them, let alone those top teams that play in Champions League. They still can improve but for now, We can't completely rely on them.

Hopefully He'll do the sensible thing now and improve the squad quality massively in the summer. Let there be lots of competition, keep them hungry and don't pamper them just because They're academy players, young players or has been here for a long time (Smalling, Jones, Young shouldn't be first teamers too). It's good to be dreamy and romantic but the reality is, We can't let the gap widen. Philosophy and talks help but quality is first and foremost.
 
We need better players; and committed players who battle every game, but obviously have technical ability! Pogba, when he's on, is unreal. When he's not, feck me, go already. I don't get the sense he's fully committed to the cause. He's an 'if I'm in the mood' kind of player. No thanks. Not in a United shirt.
 
Denis79 said:
That is down to our board, not Ole.
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1st summer signings under post fergie managers:

Moyes - 1
van Gaal - 5 (6 if you count the Falcao loan move)
Mourinho - 4

the club has given new managers money, only Moyes was bumbling enough to get 1 deal done. A deadline day deal for Fellaini that cost the club a few million pounds extra. We could be losing 3 players on free transfers, plus whoever is sold. he's had more time to identify targets and get with Ed about how to approach this Summer than any of the other managers. If he comes up short and has a bad Summer Ole, his staff, the scouts, Ed/board all failed.
 
joedirt87 said:
I don’t know, I think if he is around at the end of the season it means the team played some pretty good football throughout the year and has started building towards an identity or style. If the team starts poor and doesn’t show any improvement month to month he is probably out of his depth and needs to be let go. By Christmas we should have some sort of indication where this experiment is headed
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But if you have to fire him by Christmas.. Surely bigger questions would need to be asked of Woodward? That's what I think will save him.

Woodward is a common denominator in this horrible years faced.
 
And Poch has done so well lately...

Judge Ole when he has built his own team.
 
Livvie said:
And Poch has done so well lately...

Judge Ole when he has built his own team.
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I agree with this post entirely. A lot of people were chanting for Poch as our next manager well before Mourinho was sacked. His results have been poor lately and the team are now theoretically catchable by us, although unlikely.

Poch's big problems as opposed to Ole are twofold. Firstly he is likely to lose some of his best players which ever position they end the season. Secondly, he will have a much tighter budget to work with than Ole if their chairman plays his usual game of paying minimum fees for players. Naturally Ole's plans will depend on how much he gets from Ed and how much is generated by sales. As @Livvie has said, " Judge Ole when he has built his own team "
 
joedirt87 said:
1st summer signings under post fergie managers:

Moyes - 1
van Gaal - 5 (6 if you count the Falcao loan move)
Mourinho - 4

the club has given new managers money, only Moyes was bumbling enough to get 1 deal done. A deadline day deal for Fellaini that cost the club a few million pounds extra. We could be losing 3 players on free transfers, plus whoever is sold. he's had more time to identify targets and get with Ed about how to approach this Summer than any of the other managers. If he comes up short and has a bad Summer Ole, his staff, the scouts, Ed/board all failed.
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They didn't give Moyes money because he took over the reigning champions is what I believe. Our owners have no interest beyond top 4.
 
No, they really aren't, the absolute state of this thread. Full of kneejerk reactions. Ole deserves full backing, out with the slackers and egos. It's a new summer & a fresh start.
 
purgethefallen said:
Young/Smalling/Jones were signed before Ole was made permanent. Mata could be useful for one season as a squad member.
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Mata is done, too many passengers. There really needs to be a shift in mentality with fans as well as players. We need players that are going to improve, hungry and with proper speed.
 
Livvie said:
And Poch has done so well lately...

Judge Ole when he has built his own team.
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Bestofthebest said:
I agree with this post entirely. A lot of people were chanting for Poch as our next manager well before Mourinho was sacked. His results have been poor lately and the team are now theoretically catchable by us, although unlikely.

Poch's big problems as opposed to Ole are twofold. Firstly he is likely to lose some of his best players which ever position they end the season. Secondly, he will have a much tighter budget to work with than Ole if their chairman plays his usual game of paying minimum fees for players. Naturally Ole's plans will depend on how much he gets from Ed and how much is generated by sales. As @Livvie has said, " Judge Ole when he has built his own team "
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Poch's real problem is that he hasn't had a cent to spend! He has literally spent.... ZERO... And is in a champions league Semi Final and sat 3rd still! Jose spent the guts of 400m in transfers and add in Sanchez over it.

Ole isn't to blame currently that much for our recent run of results, would be unfair to blame him right now...but trying to say Poch is failing is laughable.

Denis79 said:
They didn't give Moyes money because he took over the reigning champions is what I believe. Our owners have no interest beyond top 4.
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No, they offered him money by breaking a British transfer record for Mata for €43m!

The reason no one was signed was because no player in their right mind would play for such a dreadful manager! Kroos had agreed to sign with United prior to Moyes being given the job, then that dragged out all summer and he went to Real instead.

Cesc was another Moyes spent the whole summer chasing and Cesc repeatedly stated quite publicly he didn't want to play for United or Moyes.

Giving Moyes the job was and will forever be one of footballs most embarrassing appointments at a top European club.
 
Keefy18 said:
Poch's real problem is that he hasn't had a cent to spend! He has literally spent.... ZERO... And is in a champions league Semi Final and sat 3rd still! Jose spent the guts of 400m in transfers and add in Sanchez over it.

Ole isn't to blame currently that much for our recent run of results, would be unfair to blame him right now...but trying to say Poch is failing is laughable.



No, they offered him money by breaking a British transfer record for Mata for €43m!

The reason no one was signed was because no player in their right mind would play for such a dreadful manager! Kroos had agreed to sign with United prior to Moyes being given the job, then that dragged out all summer and he went to Real instead.

Cesc was another Moyes spent the whole summer chasing and Cesc repeatedly stated quite publicly he didn't want to play for United or Moyes.

Giving Moyes the job was and will forever be one of footballs most embarrassing appointments at a top European club.
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Fergie’s worse ‘signing’
 
Keefy18 said:
Poch's real problem is that he hasn't had a cent to spend! He has literally spent.... ZERO... And is in a champions league Semi Final and sat 3rd still! Jose spent the guts of 400m in transfers and add in Sanchez over it.

Ole isn't to blame currently that much for our recent run of results, would be unfair to blame him right now...but trying to say Poch is failing is laughable.



No, they offered him money by breaking a British transfer record for Mata for €43m!

The reason no one was signed was because no player in their right mind would play for such a dreadful manager! Kroos had agreed to sign with United prior to Moyes being given the job, then that dragged out all summer and he went to Real instead.

Cesc was another Moyes spent the whole summer chasing and Cesc repeatedly stated quite publicly he didn't want to play for United or Moyes.

Giving Moyes the job was and will forever be one of footballs most embarrassing appointments at a top European club.
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Mata was bought after half a dreadful season in a pathetic attempt to save it. And please show me quotes from them saying they refused to play for Moyes.
 
There are an awful lot of New Members disparaging Ole... I'm a bit suspicious. Just a handful of fans being asinine behind a screen or rival sanctioned trolls?

The last time I considered the latter a silly conspiracy theory, the Russians propped Trump into office. Not making the mistake again:

I demand a fake scouse troll hunt!
 
Sterling Archer said:
There are an awful lot of New Members disparaging Ole... I'm a bit suspicious. Just a handful of fans being asinine behind a screen or rival sanctioned trolls?

The last time I considered the latter a silly conspiracy theory, the Russians propped Trump into office. Not making the mistake again:

I demand a fake scouse troll hunt!
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The irony is that scouse WUMs will be defending Ole to the hilt (as lots of new members are doing...), they love that he's been given the job.

Odd post.
 
Intilo said:
He is the true Glazer puppet , the true Glazer Woodward yes man. I will get hate for saying that but it's the only truth , everything he said on public was straight up from their mouth , he will save their money no matter what , he can lose 7 games straight and still don't get sacked because of it. We are just a has-been big club.
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Why do you assume this? What evidence do you have to support this theory? Ole left shortly after the Glazers became owners and never overlapped with Woodward's tenure as CEO. He's spoken constantly about the need to invest in the squad and wants a strong transfer window. He also only knows United as a winning club, like SAF.

There's a bit more risk with the Glazers and Woodward alienating and not backing a club legend, compared to someone as controversial as Mourinho or outsiders like LVG/Moyes.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Why do you assume this? What evidence do you have to support this theory? Ole left shortly after the Glazers became owners and never overlapped with Woodward's tenure as CEO. He's spoken constantly about the need to invest in the squad and wants a strong transfer window. He also only knows United as a winning club, like SAF.

There's a bit more risk with the Glazers and Woodward alienating and not backing a club legend, compared to someone as controversial as Mourinho or outsiders like LVG/Moyes.
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This is not against you but ffs. Telling the needs of invest in the squad is like saying the garden needs water to become green.

Ole Gunnar must be smarter than this.

Let other people (in the media or whatever) mention the obvious. A experienced manager will tell that for now his only main concern is about to win the next game. Step two is to say regarding the future (transfers and pre season) that the coaching staff and the club has a plan forward that you all will see soon what that is. The club and me as a manager prefer to let our actions and results do the talk until we have something new to report. (He needs to control the narrative and making his own headlines instead of talking yada yada. Once again. Winners can say whatever they want and losers can’t say anything without going wrong. That’s how it works)

This is the thing when you’re new and lack experience. Ole Gunnar feels the needs to defend (himself) and talk about all the things he wants to do (ruthless, transfers and pre season) instead of just let the results and actions do the job. When you’re losing words doesn’t help, it’s only makes your hole deeper. Start to win games, then talks becomes meaningful. We (OGS) are not there yet.
 
Denis79 said:
They didn't give Moyes money because he took over the reigning champions is what I believe. Our owners have no interest beyond top 4.
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For me this part is wrong and there is one thing that shows why, the wage bill, if Top 4 was the only interest then there would be a bigger control on wages. This include the manager wage, no one is paying Mourinho 15m per year for Top 4, you have good managers that earn less than a third of that.
 
Denis79 said:
Mata was bought after half a dreadful season in a pathetic attempt to save it. And please show me quotes from them saying they refused to play for Moyes.
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Yes and you said they didn't spend, they did. Lack of spend hasn't been the issue, its how its been spent is the issue.

Here you go https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...-as-he-reveals-missed-transfers-35319094.html

Ferguson was chasing Kroos as was up to his retirement and most of the transfer work was done, he originally agreed and then done a u-turn and stayed for another year and then to Madrid.

Cesc another and Bale another.

There's no way that caliber of player would line out for a clown like Moyes.
 
Denis79 said:
They didn't give Moyes money because he took over the reigning champions is what I believe. Our owners have no interest beyond top 4.
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Moyes himself said we made a 100m bid for Bale if I am not mistaken. Moyes was and still is a clown.
 
haram said:
We have no proof that he can actually build one.
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We do, actually.

Not at this level, granted, but since this is his first stab at the big time, well - there you are.

At any rate, it's what he has to do. Let's see how he actually approaches the task before concluding that he's out of his depth.
 
Keefy18 said:
Poch's real problem is that he hasn't had a cent to spend! He has literally spent.... ZERO... And is in a champions league Semi Final and sat 3rd still! Jose spent the guts of 400m in transfers and add in Sanchez over it.

Ole isn't to blame currently that much for our recent run of results, would be unfair to blame him right now...but trying to say Poch is failing is laughable.



No, they offered him money by breaking a British transfer record for Mata for €43m!

The reason no one was signed was because no player in their right mind would play for such a dreadful manager! Kroos had agreed to sign with United prior to Moyes being given the job, then that dragged out all summer and he went to Real instead.

Cesc was another Moyes spent the whole summer chasing and Cesc repeatedly stated quite publicly he didn't want to play for United or Moyes.

Giving Moyes the job was and will forever be one of footballs most embarrassing appointments at a top European club.
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£292million spent. Far from Zero.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
At any rate, it's what he has to do. Let's see how he actually approaches the task before concluding that he's out of his depth.
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What concerns me is his talk of players like Mata. He's 31 and why on earth we are offering him a new deal I just can't understand for the life of me and Ole seems very eager to keep him.

It very much feels like its going to be more of the same from him.

He's talking about wanting to change our style of play to fast, counter attacking football and wants to keep Mata?

Even as a plan B he isn't exactly effective, decent at set pieces that's about it.
 
Red00012 said:
£292million spent. Far from Zero.
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This season.

He desperately needed players going into this season and didn't get a single cent from Levy. Meanwhile we had our supporter base sticking by Jose for spending double what Poch had in half the time and building a circus.
 
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