So he is being Van de beek'd.
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Trash loan.
Everyone who wanted Amad to go on a pl loan should pay attention to this. At their age Amad/Pellestri minutes are the most important and I believe the championship, Holland or even Belgium should suffice. Hopefully this experience humbles Pellestri similar to how Chong got humbled in Germany (he refused a Netherlands loan) now look at him getting minutes and doing well in the championship.
Agree, the Championship is perfect for loaning players to. It’s in England for a start, there’s loads of games and a lot of managers in there are after jobs in the PL and try to play decent football.
Also lately it's been producing talent for the PL. The list of players who played well in the championship and then done well in the PL continues to grow bigger. Mount, Gallagher and Tammy Abraham we sent there and it didn't do them no harm. Hopefully Garner, Chong and Laired prove to the club and youngsters that the championship is a good destination.
Give the lad a break and judge the loan based on when the season is nearly over.
Given that we wanted to buy Amad and Sancho was our ultimate target, why did we buy him? It's not like he cost 2 millions too.
Why would we not have? He wasn't bought to be an immediate first teamer.
Since when have clubs not purchased a gamble player for development just because they have another target in the same position. All clubs who can afford it do it.
We had two targets, one at the same age, and another a couple of years older. I m not against this type of signings, yet it would be hard to develop all of them, including Elanga. Anyway, I hope he gets the chance at Alaves and come back more prepared.
Personally I'd only ever loan our players to PL or Championship teams. I can't see how minutes in a foreign league is better preparation for a player that hopes to make it here than a season in England would be
Relax, he played 45 minutes in the last game. I'm sure he will be playing regularly eventually.
Starting yet another game at the bench today. Really dont get the point by this loan, not for us or for the player. Deportivo gets a squad filler so I guess they are happy.
Think it is worrying that he choose to go back when he only got sub appearances last year, for a horrendus team thats even worse this year at the bottom of the table with 4 straight losses. The only thing he gains from the loan is better cardio since all they do is defending.
Think it is worrying that he choose to go back when he only got sub appearances last year, for a horrendus team thats even worse this year at the bottom of the table with 4 straight losses. The only thing he gains from the loan is better cardio since all they do is defending.
He played a good 30 minutes as a sub vs Atletico (1-0 win) today. How'd he do? No mention of him in the highlights.
They won against Atletico, not bad. And he was trusted to play 30 minutes in a game against a top opposition. And his team desperately needed the points.
This loan is not as bad as people have made out.
Caught the end of the Alaves match last night just as Pellistri was coming on, he played well in the 10 minutes he got. Not sure how the game went before that but he looked by far their biggest threat going forward in that period.
I guess the positive is that despite his lack of starts he's getting more minutes than he would have done staying here but he could be playing regularly in the Championship or for a mid-table Ligue 1/Bundesliga side.
I guess the positive is that despite his lack of starts he's getting more minutes than he would have done staying here but he could be playing regularly in the Championship or for a mid-table Ligue 1/Bundesliga side.
So basically what most of us said would happen last Summer will inevitably happen.
Hard to see any logic in the loan and it's yet another thing that makes me question the intelligence of the decision makers at the club
I remember some posters stating that Pellistri should be in the team over Daniel James at the start of the season,
Now James is putting in solid performances for Leeds week in/week out and Pellistri cannot get a start for the team languishing second bottom of La Liga...
Now James is putting in solid performances for Leeds week in/week out and Pellistri cannot get a start for the team languishing second bottom of La Liga...
He’s played for Leeds 4 times and he hasn’t even contributed to a goal yet, no need for the exaggeration.
To be fair he wanted to go back there whereas the club were thinking something else.
Not an exaggeration at all, hes been putting in good performances whereas Pellistri can't get a start for a poor la Liga team, thats just how it is!
That tweet is so misleading.
They have played 8 games. He has:
Squad: 7, Starting eleven: 1, Substituted in: 6, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
So every time he has made the squad, he has featured in the team. He has played an average of 28 mins/ game. Remember he is 19 years old as well and playing in La Liga, not some small time league...
They have played 8 games. He has:
Squad: 7, Starting eleven: 1, Substituted in: 6, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
So every time he has made the squad, he has featured in the team. He has played an average of 28 mins/ game. Remember he is 19 years old as well and playing in La Liga, not some small time league...
Unlikely to develop that much with 28 mins per game for Alaves.
I get what you're saying, but James has been subbed off in most of his games for Leeds, and only really played decent in his last outing. He's ahead of Pellistri in his development, though. Annoyingly, this loan has turned out shite, like plenty of our other outgoing loans tend to do.
We are shit at loaning players out.
You seem strangely excited Pellistri’s loan hasn’t gone as intended? Bit odd but each to their own, I suppose if you’d rather have your year old opinion validated than one of our actual current players do well then, by all means, continue.
He is 19 years old, getting game time in a top European league.
In Sancho's first season at Dortmund, in 34 games:
Squad: 15, Starting eleven: 7, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 3, Suspended: 6, Injured: 8
Sancho averaged~57 mins/ game, but from when he became eligible (GW7) to just before his first start (GW17), he played just 16 minutes of football in 11 games of football. 3 of those games he missed due to injury [1].
If we applied the same logic you would also be saying that was a bad transfer too.
Just let it play out and judge it at the end of the season. Give the lad a chance and see what happens.
Not sure how you got that I was 'strangely excited' by my post!
I was merely pointing out the fallacy of some of the posts on here when Pellistri was due to be loaned out.
No agendas, motives or ill feelings towards one of our players, just taking heed of the late Roy Walkers words and saying what I see.
I think it's to early to say it's been a disaster move - but evidently the club would prefer him to be starting more.
Sancho was 17 in his first season at Dortmund to be fair.He is 19 years old, getting game time in a top European league.
In Sancho's first season at Dortmund, in 34 games:
Squad: 15, Starting eleven: 7, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 3, Suspended: 6, Injured: 8
Sancho averaged~57 mins/ game, but from when he became eligible (GW7) to just before his first start (GW17), he played just 16 minutes of football in 11 games of football. 3 of those games he missed due to injury [1].
If we applied the same logic you would also be saying that was a bad transfer too.
Just let it play out and judge it at the end of the season. Give the lad a chance and see what happens.
19 is still very young for a player, and Pellistri is still developing, but he needs more game time than 15 apperances.
In the summer, most people didn't say he wouldn't be playing. They said he could "do better", or would be better served not playing in a relegation scramble.
The loan made sense to me at the time. He got quite a few starts last year and some early sub appearances towards the end. The idea was that he would be able to cement a starting spot at a high level in his second year.
Good performances is a bit of a stretch but a player that cost a club £30M is always going to get more game time than a teenage loan player.
He is 19 years old, getting game time in a top European league.
In Sancho's first season at Dortmund, in 34 games:
Squad: 15, Starting eleven: 7, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 3, Suspended: 6, Injured: 8
Sancho averaged~57 mins/ game, but from when he became eligible (GW7) to just before his first start (GW17), he played just 16 minutes of football in 11 games of football. 3 of those games he missed due to injury [1].
If we applied the same logic you would also be saying that was a bad transfer too.
Just let it play out and judge it at the end of the season. Give the lad a chance and see what happens.
Sancho wasnt on loan to a relegation side. They had a vested interest in developing him and guess what they did
So basically that means if Donny was loan we’d totally understand if his club wanted him back.
Sell him or play him!
Id be happier to see Pellistri in the championship learning English football instead of sitting on the bench in Spain
Makes sense to bring him back. I understand he enjoyed himself there at the end of last season so the club did take into account that the loan is more likely to be successful if the player is happy and there was reason to think that having already impressed in his previous spell he would be starting. In these kinds of deals there is typically an agreement over playing time and if Alaves are not holding to their end of that agreement then he should be brought back.
I don't think he can go on loan outside of the transfer window? He'd be recalled to play in the reserves. I think it's too early to recall him. Give him a chance to earn more minutes. He played 30 mins against Atletico Madrid (or was it Real?), it's not like they're not using him.
Yep, I remember there was quite a few along with myself who said he shouldn't be going back to Alaves. It was blatantly obvious from last season he wouldn't see regulsr game time.
We've wasting enough time with Alaves, bring him back, do proper due diligence on potential clubs and send him to the correct one this time.
We need a feeder club.
Dan James hasn't done anything particularly impressive at Leeds and most Leeds fans are really disappointed that they wasted money on signing him rather than strengthening their midfield or defence. Neither James or Pellistri are anywhere near to being good enough to get into our 1st XI (or bench for that matter). Pellistri's loan will be terminated in January I'm sure, wasn't too happy about the loan in the 1st place but Facundo clearly liked the club and wanted to return. The Dutch league would be a solid league for him and Amad to go to for now, not great defending but they'd get regular game time with very talented attacking players and then they can always go on loan again the following season to a team in Germany, Portugal or another high quality league if they do well. Some of the top Belgian clubs also have some good attacking players atm and might be a decent alternative if no clubs in the Eredivise are interested.
If we still had James we would have beaten Villa and Everton, the total failure of our wide players to track back is killing us and that is one thing he does better than anyone we have left at the club.
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