Actually... if they don't want him anymore, he isn't good enough for us either.
Fabregas set for loan
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Yeah, it's probably all those PR images/statements from Cesc which stuck with me. But like you and many others have said, I don't see it happening either way. And I don't particularly want it to either.
We've spunked, and wasted, way too much money on players either past it or who doesn't fit our system over recent years.
To be honest, I never saw this new form coming. I know he did well at Stoke on loan, but nothing from that, or his other two loans suggested he'd be back at Chelsea as a first teamer, let alone playing as a RWB. I actually had him down as one of the first out the door.
A bit like Lingard, actually, who kind of came out of nowhere after his loan spell at Derby.
On Tata Martino's much welcomed exit from the club, the one thing he emphasized to the board going forward was to address the rotten apple that remained in the dressing room - Cesc was subsequently sold
Oh what? A brick shithouse of an internet ITK? Me? Well I wouldn't use those words personally but you can if you want.
Could be an interesting option for the likes of our midfield but there isn't a hope in hell that Chelsea would go and strengthen our squad.
I don't see why not - we're not competing with them this season, but if Fabregas did make us better then there would be a slightly better chance of us taking points off Liverpool, Arsenal or City for them in the title race.
Not that I expect us to go for him (or even want him TBH, he's not been great for a while now and some Chelsea fans seemed to think he was one of the "rats" working to get Jose sacked there) but if we wanted him on loan then Chelsea wouldn't have anything to fear from us being improved by him coming on loan.
No chance.
Hes slow and aging. We need a pacey CM.
Cesc had his chance to join Utd in 2013. He was "flattered"'....
Cesc had his chance to join Utd in 2013. He was "flattered"'....
With Pogba I dont think he's needed.
The only role for him here would be as a deep lying playmaker. He hasn't got the tactical awareness for the position though so can't see any reason we would want him. Think he'll end up somewhere like Valencia next season.
Completely different players.
Anyways, even if you guys were 25 points behind us I don't think we'd agree to send him to you. Plus, you guys don't have the personnel to use him effectively anyways. Your midfield would get shredded with both Pogba and Cesc in it.
I just don't see Chelsea sending him our way (if we were to be in for him). Its not their style I know we got Mata from them but that was for an impressive fee for a player who was surplus to requirements.
Not completely different, both midfielders who are best in creating chances from deep, opening up play, variety of passing range. I like them both a lot offensively. I dont think midfield is our problem by the way.
Think he's doing a Rooney, started playing mens football as a 16 year old and hit his peak years around 23-27, there's only one way for him now and that's down, he's had 13 years of football and I think he's not going to hold up into his 30's.
Will they send us Costa on loan?
They are completely different.
Fabregas - best as a deep playmaker where he's got loads of time on the ball and has to have a DM next to him to cover his extreme lack of athleticism and pace. Most effective weapon is the ball over the top or thru-ball on the ground to a highly mobile striker who is constantly running the channels (Diego Costa).
Pogba - best in a more advanced position and is the opposite of Cesc as he is perhaps the best athlete in his position in the world. Much better dribbling and beating his man and has tremendous strength to handle the physical nature of the game.
True, they have a couple of similar qualities but overall they're so different. Like I said above, Cesc and Pogba together would be suicidal at least against top opposition as they're both donkeys defensively.
Actually think he's still a wonderfully talented footballer. He can't do what Conte needs him to do but he could do what Carrick does. Not as well, but he's got that kind of ability.
I still think he's got a career at the highest level. He would probably be a bad signing for us right now as we need instant impact. But I could absolutely see him going the way of Scholes and Pirlo and learning to play deeper to an older age. Scholes must have had his eye issues at about the age Cesc is now?
I still think he's got a career at the highest level. He would probably be a bad signing for us right now as we need instant impact. But I could absolutely see him going the way of Scholes and Pirlo and learning to play deeper to an older age. Scholes must have had his eye issues at about the age Cesc is now?
Pogba and Pirlo worked with Vidal and Fabregas and Oscar worked with Matic. If you had say a Kante or Coquelin next to Pogba/Fabregas it could work. Schneiderlin might be able to play that role. Won't happen though
No thanks. In boxing parlance, he's gone. Prefer Mata and Herrera, even though they may be less talented.
FixedFabregas instead of Fellaini
Talented yes but he is as slow as Mata is feeble. Carrickmuch much faster than Cesc, who moves as if he's carrying a piano on his back.
Cesc's days at the top level are done
Cesc played his best ever season in 2009/2010, when he was playing in the Bergkamp role as practically a second striker. He got 15 league goals and 13 assists that season. He's not as good as a deep lying playmaker because he's someone who can pick a pass well but not someone who can pick a pass fast, and having him as a DLP slows down counter attacks.
Still think he'd be a super option for us. we could really do with another creative midfielder.
No thanks. We need to be aiming higher.
Also not too sure what he'd bring. He'd just be another over the hill, jack-of-all-trades type player who we wouldn't be sure how to use properly. He isn't disciplined enough for a midfield two, doesn't really excel at anything in particular, is too slow going forward and would need us to play with a 3 in midfield. As if we haven't got enough of them.
I'd rather we concentrated our efforts on finding players to actually do the donkey work that allows these players to flourish, and on replacing Carrick.
Also not too sure what he'd bring. He'd just be another over the hill, jack-of-all-trades type player who we wouldn't be sure how to use properly. He isn't disciplined enough for a midfield two, doesn't really excel at anything in particular, is too slow going forward and would need us to play with a 3 in midfield. As if we haven't got enough of them.
I'd rather we concentrated our efforts on finding players to actually do the donkey work that allows these players to flourish, and on replacing Carrick.
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You can question some other parts of his game but he's still the best creative passer in the league. Probably the best creative passer ever in the league.
Sign him up.
Sign him up.
In ,theoretically, easy home games against parked buses yes he'd be an asset.
That said by the time he plays off the cobwebs it would be time for him to leave. All things considered, its a no from me.
That said by the time he plays off the cobwebs it would be time for him to leave. All things considered, its a no from me.
Look at this
I would like for someone to slow down our play like thisSadly, he's not that player anymore, plus he's one of those who had problems with Mourinho, isn't he?
sign him. no one in our squad can pass like him
He is the absolute embodiment of what we do not need at this club right now. Hopefully we've learnt that by now.
He would thrive in the midfield overload 4-1-4-1 we play with Carrick/Herrera sitting in behind.
Alongside Pogba, Mata and Mkh/Rooney I think that's a pretty good setup only lacking in proper width from fullback region.
I expect an acquisition in that department in the summer for sure if not in Jan.
Alongside Pogba, Mata and Mkh/Rooney I think that's a pretty good setup only lacking in proper width from fullback region.
I expect an acquisition in that department in the summer for sure if not in Jan.
Nah screw that. We need a athletic ball carrier type with bundles of energy. I wish we had Thiago before he went to Germany.
He was much better in 2006 - 2008 IMO, I'd consider that his peak. He seemed to forget how to play as a midfielder after that.
We are not going forward with him. In a year or two absolute deadwood.
Crazy that so many want him just because he can pull a pass or two out of his arse. His overall game is Schweinsteiger level.
Crazy that so many want him just because he can pull a pass or two out of his arse. His overall game is Schweinsteiger level.
Nicely, if quite disgustingly, put. Before he was cast asunder he was not performing at anything like a level that would justify his reputation for dividing dressing rooms.
This was a quote from Tata Martino on his exit from the club, to get rid of the rotten apple. Never liked the player, never wanted him back at the club either
We should take him, if its a loan its not a bad option, we arent competing with Chelsea this season as they gun for the title so we could do with re-enforcement for our schedule and he would be a great option to rest Pogba for some games.
Id take him in a heartbeat.
Id take him in a heartbeat.
Look at this
Sadly, he's not that player anymore, plus he's one of those who had problems with Mourinho, isn't he?
Yep. I really wonder what happened with this Fabregas.
We don't need him. He wouldn't solve any of our problems.