First I heard of it,Also Isnt Mendes JM's agent ?
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@kouroux is a tough customer, he wasn't convinced by Lemar last season. But I see where he is coming from with Tolisso, there is something inherently wrong with his decision making and I believe that it's due to the fact that Genesio and Fournier have played him all over the field. Tolisso has incredible abilities that could allow him to be a very good #10, #8, #6 or even right back but he needs to play one role for an entire season.
For someone who supposedly has a decision making that is inherently wrong, I've seen him play very well as #6 or #8. Particularly his passing stood out. And he's still young after all, so mistakes happen at 22, especially when you are one of the leaders and stand out players in your team. Nonetheless his consistency for the last 3 seasons has been impressive. I agree about the position though. He shouldn't be moved around like he has been. Genesio is clueless though, so no surprise.
He probably can get that special work permit based on points, since he's playing in major european competitions.
Any player bought for more than 10 million automatically qualify for a work permit.
I don't think, we disagree here. But there are two things that needs to be said about Tolisso, first he can act like a cnut and try to hurt opponents just because he is frustrated and he too often switches off defensively, he is part of Lyon's defensive problems since the midfield is too often bypassed by the opposition. Now he is talented, he is able to defend really well, he is very good on the ball but he is too nonchalant.
He should join a manager like Mourinho, Simeone or Conte.
How we can let this guy pass us by for the prices touted is beyond me.
Good luck in the CL without a dedicated quality DM.
Good luck in the CL without a dedicated quality DM.
I think defensively he was a lot better before Genesio arrived. Under a different manager, like the ones you've named or Jardim, he'd look a lot better, especially if he doesn't have to play in a different position constantly. I've only seen him act like that against St. Etienne. Were there other instances?
If they think United want him they may buy him just to stop us. I suspect that's what happened with Bernardo Silva - I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even play him. Like Nolito.
Let's wait and see, shall we? I find it hard to believe, that we aren't looking at him. I think common sense is a better guide than journalism during silly season.
Yeah, he was better, he improved offensively though. Against the ASSE he just loses his mind but in other games, you regularly see him make stupid tackles and for some reason he isn't on the refs radars.
Well i think we are in for similar players on similar positions, not too overpriced but good quality, Fabinho and Bernardo fall in the same category. I genuinely think he will be a starter on the right and displace Sterling. Silva is just too good to not play and he is the x factor Pep needed.
I gotta admit that I've disliked him a lot since I saw hack down a St-Etienne player, maybe it's coloring my judgement. I see him as a good player but not one Juventus should be chasing if they wanna win (or lose) a CL final.
Wow; i frankly did not know that.
If its the case, with $60 millions some of those middle table EPL clubs could go to Brazil and sign:
- William(22) a potential wc RB(i think is going to Wolfsburg)
- Guilherme Arana(20) potential/probably already wc LB
- Rodrigo Caio(23) a top CB/DM very skilful
- Luan(23) highly skilled 10
And buy Azcacibar(20), potential wc DM from Estudiantes of Argentina.
I'm pretty any EPL middle table club would fight for european positions with those players.
If its the case why do the clubs pay so much for inferior players only because they're in europe?
Salah, for example, will probably cost more than half the South American top young talents combined, and this is a scandal.
That is also wrong on so many levels since Deschamps is still known to call up players who don't deserve and don't call up players who truly deserve to play for the national team. Being called up for France doesn't mean the player is doing well and what do you know, I had 2016/2017 in mind when I said that Seri was better.
Understandably so, he really was awful in that game. Napoli and Arsenal have been reportedly interested as well.
Sissoko has done well for them, even if he doesn't deserve to be called up. Same with Giroud. They could simply select someone else, if he was 'average'. Average players do not get selected for your NT by chance. Deschamps could have called up Bakayoko or N'Zonzi, instead he went with Tolisso. Evidently he must have done something right. Not sure why you choose to ignore Tolisso's previous seasons and at the same time Seri's one season, where he has been better, is enough.
Because I look at football very simply, what a relatively young player did in previous seasons means basically feck all to me if he cannot keep that level. Up to a certain age, players still have to prove themselves each season. Seri has been better this season yes but if next season he doesn't play as well then my opinion will evolve. Average players do get called up, Gignac was average, Eder the portuguese legend, has been average most of his career.
Managers make a choice, football is only a part of it and at times, not even the most important one, this is why there are debates over squads time and time again. Just to be clear, I'm not saying Tolisso is as bad as Gignac or Sissoko when they called up, just that using the national team as a proof of quality means nothing.
Seri was also better last season though.
Maybe Mourinho is satisfied with Herrera as the holding midfielder and he wants a box to box midfielder to rotate with Fellaz.
To be fair, when Herrera plays as an 8, he doesn't offer much going forward. We could certainly do with someone who could help Pogba out creatively, hence why I feel we need, both a holding and box to box midfielder.
To be fair, when Herrera plays as an 8, he doesn't offer much going forward. We could certainly do with someone who could help Pogba out creatively, hence why I feel we need, both a holding and box to box midfielder.
I disagree.
I was specifically talking about France's NT. Deschamps might have learned from his mistakes and is reacting to the pressure possibly. In that sense he's most likely evolving as well. You have too many players of very good quality, to select players who aren't performing. Take your left-back options for example. Kurzawa and Digne probably could have had better season, but they still played relatively well and a team like Germany would love to have such options. It's the same in midfield. It's possible that I replied angrily, because posters on the caf have the habit of rating players either 1, 5 or 10; meaning awful, average or brilliant. There's no in between for some, which I think is part of the problem when we discuss things, even outside of football. And I don't think it's fair on Tolisso to call him average based on the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't call him consistently outstanding either. Edit: Misread that sentece. (I fundamentally disagree about what happened in previous seasons means feck all, since consistency, especially in young players, is IMO the biggest indicator of how good a player actually is.)
He was a key player, for the second best midfield in the league. I don't see how you could disagree with that.
Individually he wasn't as good as Tolisso IMO.
I don't see how you can end up with that opinion but fair enough.
Don't be having this opinion on this forum mate it will get you linched.
Pretty sure we are interested and man city are not. Le equipe arent that reliable anyways. Pedrosi says we are interested. Also There si no mention of a clause, its just Monaco's asking price, yesterday a report said it was 30 million.
I remember you sayin that they had the second best midfield at the time and quite frankly I thought, you were slightly overrating them or at least Lyon could keep up with them in that season. Koziello is a great talent and he played well, as did Seri and Nampalys Mendy. But so did Tolisso and Gonalons, with Ferri there, who's hardly as talented as the others. If Nice's midfield was as good as you say there were, coupled with Ben Arfa in the form of his life and good players in defence and attack, why didn't Nice finish ahead of Lyon during that season? Can't be down to just Umtiti, Jallet, Ghezzal and Lacazette, can it? And even if Nice's midfield was better than Lyon, was it that much better than Lyon's?
It was the youngest team in the top 6 leagues and they lacked firepower.
Edit: And no bench whatsoever.
Well, no point discussing this further, if the second question and the other points aren't convenient for your argument.
Seems like you really love to disagree.
Yeah, what's the point of a forum really?
Up to a point where one can wonder if it is a default mode or not.
Not really. But keep trying.
Haha, it's true, though.
In tough games, Pogba, Herrera and New CDM would be fine.
In games, where we need to break teams down; however, then Herrera (CDM) Pogba and creative midfielder is needed, in my opinion.
I deify Herrera, but I think his performance as a 6 has been better than that as an 8 this year, and as he ages you'd expect him to be even more comfortable deep. Also, if we're going to play dour Mourinho ball, I think we need skill everywhere to actually create counter attack opportunities. I like Fabinho as a player and as a signing, but if we sign a more attacking box to box CM or a great passer and make Herrera the full time 6 I think we'll be in great shape as well.
Tier 1 starters (good enough to win the CL): Pogba, De Gea
Tier 2 starters (good enough to win the PL): Herrera, Valencia, Bailly, Mata, Mkhitaryan
Tier 3 starters (potential to be tier 2 soon): Martial, Rashford, Shaw
and then the rest are squad talents, I think. So, I look at that, and I think the priority is any tier 2 quality CM, whether it's a 6 or an 8, and a reliable goalscorer, LB and CB next.
Now it's back to us out and City in. Round and round it goes.....
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Try what ?
Nevermind. Back to Fabinho. Would you want him with us?
I would love it. Such a good player and as long as it would reduce time playing from Fellaini (who has done well this season all things considered but should never start for us ideally) and allow Herrera to play in a slightly more advanced position.
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