I hugely disagree on that percentage. He plays more than 1 in 3 with a 4-3-3, if not higher. And those tend to be the more important fixtures too, like all European knock-out games or the games against rivals etc. Which still makes it the most important formation, the one you revert to when the result is most uncertain.
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I hugely disagree on that percentage. He plays more than 1 in 3 with a 4-3-3, if not higher. And those tend to be the more important fixtures too, like all European knock-out games or the games against rivals etc. Which still makes it the most important formation, the one you revert to when the result is most uncertain.
David Amoyal ( manager of Di Marzio English page ) just reported about him saying they linked him to us weeks ago.
Can't see why anyone thinks we have paid 90m for Pogba so he can either screen the back 4 alongside a DM, or do the job Scholes did next to Carrick once he couldn't run anymore. Players of that quality are of far more use in attacking areas than they are defensively. Surely we want Pogba getting forward into a more Lampard like role, so to allow that why wouldn't Herrera simply play deeper alongside Fabinho? Some seem confused about how we will line up with a 3 man midfield, but for me -assuming we keep our 4-3-3- it would look pretty similar to this season's system, only with Griez on the left, and Fabinho coming in for Carrick. It only falls down if working under the presumption that Griezmann will play as a #10. Which is even more speculative than him actually signing for us atm.
----------DDG--------
---------Back 4-------
----Fabinho--Herrera--
---------Pogba-------
Mki------------Griezmann
--------Rashford------
Based upon what we have seen this season, a line up like this seems the most likely in my view. Not ruling out a change of system at all, i just don't think we can be certain enough of that yet to bother speculating on who will potentially be omitted if we do. Preseason should tell us fairly early on what his thoughts are for next year.
----------DDG--------
---------Back 4-------
----Fabinho--Herrera--
---------Pogba-------
Mki------------Griezmann
--------Rashford------
Based upon what we have seen this season, a line up like this seems the most likely in my view. Not ruling out a change of system at all, i just don't think we can be certain enough of that yet to bother speculating on who will potentially be omitted if we do. Preseason should tell us fairly early on what his thoughts are for next year.
Ogden knows feck all. He just gets briefed with what United want to put out into the media like Ducker and others. Which is worlds away from actually being ITK and having reliable sources.
I think Jose favors a 4-3-3 system because that's what he uses against the strongest teams. His interest in CDMs Fabinho and Dier indicates he's wanting to build a 4-3-3 system that can win against both the strongest teams and the parked buses. Herrera will play the b2b midfielder because Jose trusts him to do what is asked of him.
Maybe Jose has seen the light with running his attack through a relatively immobile #9. Scoring 54 goals in 38 league matches can have that affect on someone's faith in a system.
Maybe Jose has seen the light with running his attack through a relatively immobile #9. Scoring 54 goals in 38 league matches can have that affect on someone's faith in a system.
Herrera was our player of the year.
In his second season at Madrid, he played 5 of his 6 games against Barcelona using 4-2-3-1. and same 4-2-3-1 was used in all CL knockout games include 2x against Bayern in the semis.
Feel free to provide stats to the contrary.
We we're linked to him last summer, I think we may have bid but Monaco wanted him for the CL.
You don't.
The word favors is inaccurate. Mourinho plays most of his games using 4-2-3-1 as he expect to dominate or have enough of the ball, thus the 4-2-3-1 is the base formation used in majority of his games.
His back up formation is 4-3-3, in which he drops one of the 4 attacking players for a CM in midfield. This he will use in games when he feels he needs to crowd the middle or have more ball winners in midfield.
Summary 4-2-3-1 is his norm, while 4-3-3 is the exception.
There is nothing to suggest that Jose wanted an immobile #9, but that came with eveerything else that Zlatan offered. Drogba, Cost and Milito were not immobile and I doubt whoever we buy this summer will be.
I stopped taking notice of him after his comments about us cancelling the press conf after the Manchester bombing. He's a twat.
I agree 4-2-3-1 is the default and 4-3-3 the defensive alternative. The major factor is Ibrahimović's absence, and since that we started playing much more with two upfront, cause Rashford can't play all by himself. Are we getting a dead certain starter who's like Ibrahimović? Otherwise, and if Rashford isn't going to be further put on the wing, I'm seeing a 4-2-3-1 with Griezmann as #10 that will look very much like a 4-4-2.
3-5-2, which José is unlikely to go for.
He freaking had alonso modric khedira in midfeild and sometimes even played ramos and ronaldo and di maria on the wings with benezema as striker.
Our wingers lack workrate, we dont have a no 9 and the midfeild pivots are not good enough as a cdm and passing too is notthat good as alonso. Madrid stats dont matter as a justification to use a 4231. We have been immensely poor in a 4231.
433 is the norm and 4231 is an exception. If we target wingers even a 442 or 451 could be a norm.
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Good points. I also see Griezmann in a 4-3-3 coming off the right but more centrally + advanced almost like a 4-4-2 with Valencia bombing down the right like an RM with the DM sweeping, plus the CMs playing very compact when we lose the ball.
Rashford has great potential, but we need an experienced #9 to be fighting for the CL.
would u swap kean for kroos? or scholes for modric?
Cool. Neither of the people you mentioned bar dembele who Herrera is clearly better than actually play Herrera's position
Technically you can. In a diamond. You'd almost certainly need a new attacking LB though. As all your width would come from your full backs.
I think that's the formation that suits your current personnel and rumoured important targets most. It would especially get the best out of your 2 most important players in Pogba and Griezzman (assuming you get him)
--------------------- Fabinho
----Herrera --------------------- Pogba
--------------------Mkhitaryan
----------------Griezzman
--------------------------------Rashford
Am I correct in assuming Mourinho played the diamond quite often in his first stint at Chelsea?
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People who follow Monaco correct if i'm wrong but, apparently United was trying to sign him as RB(his position in 2016).
Monaco even signed Sidibe to his place.
But Fabinho scored in both legs of the Pre-CL against Villareal, and with Monaco qualifying to the CL, they decided not to sell Fabinho.
Monaco did the same now signing Tielesman as his replacement in the midfield.
Then if they end not selling him i'm curious to see where he's gonna play.
He hasn't done since Inter, though, and we wouldn't have much width. Him wanting Perišić doesn't feel for me that we're moving in that direction. One thing Guardiola got right, and Mourinho certainly has noticed, is to play with very high on the pitch wingers, providing lots of width.
Yeah, that happened. Regarding Tielesman, no problem, they're selling Bakayoko too, apparently.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out. Personally I think it would be irresponsible to pay 100m for Griezzman to play him in a position he has not played for 5 years, and not the one he has become world class in.
It would be very much like that Di Maria deal in that sense, buying a world class player because you have a chance to get him without being able to fit him well into the team. This is why I'm sceptical about 4231 and especially 433.
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This was Mou's Chelsea 2014/2015 league winner. I don't expect Hazard to trackback a lot, but have a free role (note: Azpilicueta to bomb forward, with Ivanovic on the other side).
It looks like 4-2-3-1 on paper, but Oscar there isn't a pure no. 10. Oscar track back a lot, while Fabregas doesn't stay back, to make it more of 4-3-3.
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IF we get Fabinho my guess is for the bigger games we'll play a midfield three and in smaller games we'll probably go for a midfield two. Either that or it'll be a three all the time and Griezmann will be the player moving around positions either centrally or wider.
He can also play RB so we'll also have a cover for Valencia. This looks like it can be a great signing.
What you are expressing are simply your own wishful thinking. You have not provided anything to show that Mourinho has abandoned his preference for 4-2-3-1 or that he will be playing 4-3-3 in the coming season.
Independent of the nuances of how they play with and without the ball, the base formation is 4-2-3-1 (not 4-3-3) has is rightly depicted in your included image. In a 4-3-3 Oscar or any of the attacking four would be replaced by a CM, as was the case when Matic, Cesc and Ramires played as a midfield trio.This was Mou's Chelsea 2014/2015 league winner. I don't expect Hazard to trackback a lot, but have a free role (note: Azpilicueta to bomb forward, with Ivanovic on the other side).
It looks like 4-2-3-1 on paper, but Oscar there isn't a pure no. 10. Oscar track back a lot, while Fabregas doesn't stay back, to make it more of 4-3-3.
Would be one of the most important additions this summer IMO if he does move to us. Would allow us more tactical flexibility and don't have to be forced to play Fellani whenever Herrera/Pogba is rested or not available.
What we need at the moment is depth in our midfield. This is one area on the pitch that needs strengthening. However experienced and amazing Michael Carrick is, he is 35. Our defense has been pretty solid so landing just Michael Keane would do. Then, we need Antoine Griezzman and a younger Carrick. We're good to rule the rooster after that. 
I really hope we get this guy.
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Herrera Pogba
We didn't sign Pogba to be held back and be a defensive destroyer. Fabinho comes in, slots in that deep slot, Herrera is our presser and Pogba ventures forward. Herrera Pogba
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Because he has a massive ceiling for a young player yes he's not been great but he could go on to be a very top player.
I find your argument all a bit strange to be honest.
Herrera's big strength is winning the ball back by his pressing. He has a great turning trick on his first touch. Has a great little cross from the edge of the right hand side of the box and has played a couple of slide rule passes (Spurs, Chelsea spring to mind). His short passing is good but anything long is hit or miss, his shooting is woeful and usually ends up over the bar. His defensive position is questionable especially when he plays as a 6 and his build up play is poor often refusing the forward pass for a safe option. Is he a good player without doubt can we do better yes, is he a priority to replace definitely not. Now stop talking nonsense saying he contributes a lot in attack when he clearly doesn't. He contributes in other ways but in attack he more chips in occasionally. I can't see any opposition go out to stop Herrera getting on the ball or to match his runs.
I have said it from day one - use Griezmann as a false 9 with two wing forwards ala Bale.
Yeah, i dont see whats so complicated. Griezmann currently plays up top for athletico. Why wouldnt he play up top for us?
For me using Griezmann out wide and buying him for 100m is ridiculous and a waste of his talent. He's not a winger and it would make us a very narrow team overreliant on full backs to provide quality width.
He plays off a striker for Atleti.
Pogba is very average as a 10 if we wanted a 10 we should have gone for someone else.
His game isnt about scoring goals and hanging around the opponents box.
He is great as a deep playmaker. A typical nr8. If you think the sole role of an 8 is to provide defensive cove for the backline you are sorely mistaken.
A midfield 3 stifles the creativity in the team forcing Pogba to a job he isnt fit to do. It forces him to start playing like a showboater overdoing it because he is the player who is supposed to break down a defence. Whenever he plays like that he doesnt look like a 90m player to me.
Pogba looks like a 90m player when he is keeping things simple but efficient, bossing the midfield, opponents that can not take the ball from him that brings out his best play and is when he starts to do magic, beating 2 or 3 guys around him with smart ball touches, a defence splitting pass from deep. That is what he is godlike at and where he also benefits the team the most.
He is obviously not a typical 6 DM but he also isnt a 10 AM, he us prototype 8 CM.
Your MF 3 is a combo of a 6 (fabinho), a 6/8 (Herrera) and an 8 (Pogba). It is unbalanced, far too defensive minded and will stiffle our creativity in the team and wont bring out the best from Pogba at all.
-----Fabinho--------Pogba
Mkhi-------Griezmann-----Perisic
-----------------Rashford-----------------
Far more balanced
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