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We will make the 4th signing, and then Mourinho will have until August 31 to see whether we need him or not. He's not strictly necessary.

If we do sign him I imagine it will be a deadline deal. Valencia and Darmian have a few weeks to prove we don't need to add another RB.
 
We will make the 4th signing, and then Mourinho will have until August 31 to see whether we need him or not. He's not strictly necessary.

If we do sign him I imagine it will be a deadline deal. Valencia and Darmian have a few weeks to prove we don't need to add another RB.

He is coming as a DM not a RB imo.

Its were he has started in both CL games for Monaco this season.

We have a pressing need for a mobile DM to get the best out of Pogba.
 
Can Ed only manage to work on one deal at a time or what? We should have got a female Chief Exec so they can multitask.
 
Not fussed about Fabinho.

I would like to see Darmian get another chance this season. He was poor for most of last season but he isn't as bad as everyone is making out. I think he would drastically improve under Mourinho.

Valencia on the other hand shouldn't be allowed anywhere near RB. He is a defensive liability and only good at increasing shin pad sales.
 
He is coming as a DM not a RB imo.

Its were he has started in both CL games for Monaco this season.

We have a pressing need for a mobile DM to get the best out of Pogba.

We do need a holding DM to get the best out of Pogba. The only midfielder in our squad that holds is Carrick and that's a problem.
It's why I think Fabinho would be a fantastic signing. He's 22, shown a lot of potential with brilliant physical attributes and a lot of time to improve further. He can play both RB and DM and that would be extremely useful given the relative uncertainty we suffer from in those positions with regards to the medium- to long-term.
I believe he does well in the 'tackling holding' DM role and has shown that in Monaco's games so far this season. In that sense you could compare him to William Carvalho, a brilliant tackler who breaks up opponents' play while holding a disciplined position to allow fellow CMs to move forward. Sure, he wouldn't be the best passer in that position but we wouldn't need him to be. He could really help us in that position and possibly develop more in it until we replace Carrick with another holding midfielder (like Julian Weigl).
And if Darmian doesn't work out (Valencia isn't a youngster anymore) then we would have a ready-made top quality RB already in the squad.
I don't see why we wouldn't pursue this signing. Hope we can get him after Monaco's qualifiers.
 
We do need a holding DM to get the best out of Pogba. The only midfielder in our squad that holds is Carrick and that's a problem.
It's why I think Fabinho would be a fantastic signing. He's 22, shown a lot of potential with brilliant physical attributes and a lot of time to improve further. He can play both RB and DM and that would be extremely useful given the relative uncertainty we suffer from in those positions with regards to the medium- to long-term.
I believe he does well in the 'tackling holding' DM role and has shown that in Monaco's games so far this season. In that sense you could compare him to William Carvalho, a brilliant tackler who breaks up opponents' play while holding a disciplined position to allow fellow CMs to move forward. Sure, he wouldn't be the best passer in that position but we wouldn't need him to be. He could really help us in that position and possibly develop more in it until we replace Carrick with another holding midfielder (like Julian Weigl).
And if Darmian doesn't work out (Valencia isn't a youngster anymore) then we would have a ready-made top quality RB already in the squad.
I don't see why we wouldn't pursue this signing. Hope we can get him after Monaco's qualifiers.

Good post mate.

Agree with everything you said, unfortunately Monaco will not sell him until after their CL playoff so it will be a few weeks until we know if he is coming or not.
 
A good quality DM could make us get the best out of Carrick. Pogba on the other hand is more comfortable as no 10
 
Can Ed only manage to work on one deal at a time or what? We should have got a female Chief Exec so they can multitask.
I doubt Monaco will allow him to leave until the CL qualifiers are over, which is fair enough.
 
I would be disappointed if we signed him to be a DM. I would rather we play TFM there as I can really see him excelling there.
 
I would be disappointed if we signed him to be a DM. I would rather we play TFM there as I can really see him excelling there.

As much as I love TFM, relying on an 18 year old with little to no experience in the first team in that position is silly. TFM would still get heaps of games in that position if we signed Fabinho.
 


Could this be referring to Valencia leaving rather than Fellaini? It just seems to tie in with the links with Fabinho.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...alks-start-Jose-Mourinho-Transfer-News-Gossip

There was also this a month or so ago. Could be that Fabinho is being brought in and Valencia is on his way out to make room. Mourinho said he prefers 'specialists'. Well Valencia's not really a specialist right back is he?
 
No. The translation is wrong, the post meant move forward - and was in response to the loss against Dortmund. Valencia isn't going anywhere, and will almost certainly be our starting RB. He has been handed the captaincy three games now since Mourinho has taken over.
 
No. The translation is wrong, the post meant move forward - and was in response to the loss against Dortmund. Valencia isn't going anywhere, and will almost certainly be our starting RB. He has been handed the captaincy three games now since Mourinho has taken over.

Yeah, Valencia's staying. Although LVG did give the armband to Fletcher before being shipped out, I doubt Jose would do something similar. If Fabinho is coming, it's for Darmian if he goes home to Italy (or maybe Chelsea).
 
Monaco play Valencia in the Champions League play off, with the second leg August 23 or 24. I suspect Valencia will win, so we will have about a week to finalize the deal. Although he can play RB, i think we would use him more as a DM.
 
Why would we buy a utility defensive midfielder(who has played more at RB recently), when we could go for a specialist one instead. Defensive midfielders aren't expensive and the difference in price between a specialist one and Fabinho would be minimal. Even Kante (top of the range) was for 30m.

I see no point in this signing unless he is specifically for RB. TonyV has done very well recently and darmian is a suitable backup.
 
Why would we buy a utility defensive midfielder(who has played more at RB recently), when we could go for a specialist one instead. Defensive midfielders aren't expensive and the difference in price between a specialist one and Fabinho would be minimal. Even Kante (top of the range) was for 30m.

I see no point in this signing unless he is specifically for RB. TonyV has done very well recently and darmian is a suitable backup.

Kante is a b2b not a DM.

Fabinho has played in midfield in both CL games for Monaco this season and would be perfect to allow Pogba play at his best in a three man midfield.

Jose managed him before and if he buys him I believe he will play at DM instead of Carrick particularly in big games.
 
Is anyone reliable reporting this? And how often does he play as DM? Mourinho said he wants specialists... I really doubt he will buy a RB in order to convert him into a DM
 
Why would we buy a utility defensive midfielder(who has played more at RB recently), when we could go for a specialist one instead. Defensive midfielders aren't expensive and the difference in price between a specialist one and Fabinho would be minimal. Even Kante (top of the range) was for 30m.

I see no point in this signing unless he is specifically for RB. TonyV has done very well recently and darmian is a suitable backup.

Not really many top DM's about though these days. Kante (more B2B but could probably fulfill a proper holding role) is gone, so is Krychowiak, otherwise you've got mediocre options like Gustavo or Carvalho, stop gaps like Diarra or too expensive like Dier.
 
Not really many top DM's about though these days. Kante (more B2B but could probably fulfill a proper holding role) is gone, so is Krychowiak, otherwise you've got mediocre options like Gustavo or Carvalho, stop gaps like Diarra or too expensive like Dier.
Timothy could do this for us
 
Mourinho is trying to shift Darmian, if he goes then he'll replace him with Fabinho. Problem is Darmian doesn't want to move. Yet.
 
Monaco play Valencia in the Champions League play off, with the second leg August 23 or 24. I suspect Valencia will win, so we will have about a week to finalize the deal. Although he can play RB, i think we would use him more as a DM.

They play Villarreal.
 
Timothy could do this for us

I really rate him and hope he gets moulded in to that kind of player but that's a big responsibility to put on an 18 year old with less than double-digit senior appearances, most at RB and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe he played MF all that often for the U-21's either and was mainly a CB, no?

When you consider he'd probably be in a midfield 3 with Rooney/Carrick and Pogba, that's a big job he's got covering for them defensively.
 
Mourinho is trying to shift Darmian, if he goes then he'll replace him with Fabinho. Problem is Darmian doesn't want to move. Yet.
It's pretty clear that this is exactly what's happening. Ties in with the seemingly extreme preference Mourinho has for Valencia over Darmian (former's captaincy, latter's total exclusion from the Community Shield squad), in addition to repeated comments regarding the condition that if we were to sign an additional player after Pogba, it would have to mean that a player leaves as a result. Or vice versa.
Jose's been particularly specific about his 26-man squad so that does seem like that's the most likely scenario.
 
Mourinho is trying to shift Darmian, if he goes then he'll replace him with Fabinho. Problem is Darmian doesn't want to move. Yet.
Fabinho isnt a certainty to be available though. if monaco qualify for the champions league then they'll probably want to keep him. If not then you'd imagine Jose will 'encourage' Darmian to leave.
 
Incidentally why was Darmian given the 36 shirt again? is it a personal preference or a sign by the manager that he's peripheral in his thinking?
 
Incidentally why was Darmian given the 36 shirt again? is it a personal preference or a sign by the manager that he's peripheral in his thinking?
He wore that at Torino, there was no need to change it.
 
Why would we buy a utility defensive midfielder(who has played more at RB recently), when we could go for a specialist one instead. Defensive midfielders aren't expensive and the difference in price between a specialist one and Fabinho would be minimal. Even Kante (top of the range) was for 30m.

I see no point in this signing unless he is specifically for RB. TonyV has done very well recently and darmian is a suitable backup.
When theyre talking about defensive midfielders they mean players who stay put and hold position. Kante doesnt do that. He puts in a huge amount of tackles but he's generally roaming around when doing so. Drinkwater was the one who was holding despite doing less actual tackling.
 
As much as I love TFM, relying on an 18 year old with little to no experience in the first team in that position is silly. TFM would still get heaps of games in that position if we signed Fabinho.

That's what Ferguson thought regarding Pogba and look how that turned out.

If you don't give promising young players like this a chance, what's the point?

We'll end up spending £150m to buy TFM back in 4 years!

I wouldn't mind Fabinho here as he looks like a talented and versatile player, but if it hampers the likes of TFM (which I suspect it will) then I'm out.
 
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TFM is 18 and we don't even know where Jose sees him playing, but I do know you rarely ever see an 18 year old playing as a holding CM at senior level as it's a role that takes time to learn and become positionally aware. I think he's more likely to get runs out at CB and RB this season, and Fabinho would operate as a pure DM safety net to allow Pogba more freedom while we are still catering to Rooney.
 
That's what Ferguson thought regarding Pogba and look how that turned out.

If you don't give promising young players like this a chance, what's the point?

We'll end up spending £150m to buy TFM back in 4 years!

I wouldn't mind Fabinho here as he looks like a talented and versatile player, but if it hampers the likes of TFM (which I suspect it will) then I'm out.
Very true. Watching TFM last season its clear to see that physically and mentally he ws beyond his years. He needs to be on the bench and feeling like he's part of the team and getting minutes and experience.
 
Fabinho could work as a short-term fix at DM and a long-term fix at RB (as Valencia enters the end of his career period). He'd be a safer option there than TFM probably at this point, but Fosu-Mensah could get a few games there as they share the position and more time at RB, before he's fully ready to take on the holding role and the Brazilian moves to FB.
 
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