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Was reading the Guardian article about Delph & his rather smart move in not going to City, but was rather shocked that the comments were rather 50-50. I rather rate him, but not necessarily as a guaranteed starter for a current Top 4 team. Some questioned his ambition & self belief, but when looking at at team like City, who seem to always be buying, I'd be wary of joining them, especially if I were English (i.e. they need the odd home-grown player to make up the numbers, which makes their reason for recruiting someone like Delph a bit shady). Even Milner moved on, despite playing a load of games for them (but not at his favored central position). Given the current nature of the top teams, Delph would've been better off going to Arsenal, but even then he'd have no guarantees of PT. Figure his best bet to move up would be Liverpool or Tottenham, or even go abroad.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/16/fabian-delph-aston-villa-manchester-city
 
Delph did the right thing. What's the point going there only to have his career ruined? They only wanted him to add the numbers regarding 'homegrown talent'
 
Delph is a very good player but not good enough to start for top4 team, in top 4 i see him in rotation role so for his own career its much better that he stayed at the club where he is the captain and plays every week for 90 minutes. So much respect for the guy, renewing the contract first and then turning down City and a massive pay rise.
 
Will do Delph's career a lot more good to stay at Villa another year and improve his game and look to move next year. If he can keep improving like he has in the past 2 seasons, then I think he is more than capable of being a top 4 team player
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Delph is a very good player but not good enough to start for top4 team, in top 4 i see him in rotation role so for his own career its much better that he stayed at the club where he is the captain and plays every week for 90 minutes. So much respect for the guy, renewing the contract first and then turning down City and a massive pay rise.
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I dunno. Milner averaged around 40 games a season at City in all competitions, got to play in Cup finals, the Champions League...I think being a squad player at a top 4 side is underrated. I think a player with aspirations to win medals and to be a regular at international level has to take the chance. City's midfield is uninspiring at the moment and very short in numbers - Delph could have backed himself to establish himself at City imo.

I do respect his decision not to go as it shows he's not all about the money (and I've read this previously about him too). No doubt he's a smart guy and very commendable, but I don't think the rejecting the move is necessarily going to prove the best decision for him.
 
Rowem said:
I dunno. Milner averaged around 40 games a season at City in all competitions, got to play in Cup finals, the Champions League...I think being a squad player at a top 4 side is underrated. I think a player with aspirations to win medals and to be a regular at international level has to take the chance. City's midfield is uninspiring at the moment and very short in numbers - Delph could have backed himself to establish himself at City imo.

I do respect his decision not to go as it shows he's not all about the money (and I've read this previously about him too). No doubt he's a smart guy and very commendable, but I don't think the rejecting the move is necessarily going to prove the best decision for him.
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If he keeps improving at Villa he'll get another chance at another big club you'd have to think, I'd imagine that's on his mind to. Whereas going to City now could just land him in the bench for a couple of seasons only to be sold be to lower level team again and having wasted however many years of his career.
 
gza the genius said:
If he keeps improving at Villa he'll get another chance at another big club you'd have to think, I'd imagine that's on his mind to. Whereas going to City now could just land him in the bench for a couple of seasons only to be sold be to lower level team again and having wasted however many years of his career.
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You don't think he would play a lot of games ahead of Fernando and/or Fernandinho? Plus City really need to switch to a 3 man midfield as their 442 doesn't serve them well, especially with Toure into his 30s. Toure + Delph + one DM would be a well balanced midfield I think.
 
I'm surprised Spurs aren't in for him. He's not dissimilar to Mason, but a better player, and if that clause applies to non-cl sides, he'd be a good buy for them. And from his point of view, he gets a better club, more money and is still a very likely starter.
 
NoPace said:
I'm surprised Spurs aren't in for him. He's not dissimilar to Mason, but a better player, and if that clause applies to non-cl sides, he'd be a good buy for them. And from his point of view, he gets a better club, more money and is still a very likely starter.
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I was going to post the same. Plus it would be the more comfortable option if Delph doesn't back himself to be a regular starter for one of the top 4.
 
Rowem said:
You don't think he would play a lot of games ahead of Fernando and/or Fernandinho? Plus City really need to switch to a 3 man midfield as their 442 doesn't serve them well, especially with Toure into his 30s. Toure + Delph + one DM would be a well balanced midfield I think.
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They're activley chasing Pogba.... not that they will get him but I think that highlights the fact that he would have been a squad player at City
 
Rowem said:
I dunno. Milner averaged around 40 games a season at City in all competitions, got to play in Cup finals, the Champions League...I think being a squad player at a top 4 side is underrated. I think a player with aspirations to win medals and to be a regular at international level has to take the chance. City's midfield is uninspiring at the moment and very short in numbers - Delph could have backed himself to establish himself at City imo.

I do respect his decision not to go as it shows he's not all about the money (and I've read this previously about him too). No doubt he's a smart guy and very commendable, but I don't think the rejecting the move is necessarily going to prove the best decision for him.
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the medal has two sides.....Milner won some medals, played in Champions League but he was a "passenger" at City, not many will remember him when they will think about that City side. Staying at smaller team and being loyal you can end up becoming a legend with the fans. Im pretty sure Matt Le Tissier wouldnt change his status for few medals in being rotation player for top side.

Plus there is always being a risk of not making it and your career can go downhill on fast forward, look at Rodwell for example.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
the medal has two sides.....Milner won some medals, played in Champions League but he was a "passenger" at City, not many will remember him when they will think about that City side. Staying at smaller team and being loyal you can end up becoming a legend with the fans. Im pretty sure Matt Le Tissier wouldnt change his status for few medals in being rotation player for top side.

Plus there is always being a risk of not making it and your career can go downhill on fast forward, look at Rodwell for example.
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Delph is far more experienced and established as a PL regular than Rodwell was when he moved.

Any player moving to a bigger club is taking a risk. I don't see much difference between Delph moving to City and Herrera/Schneiderlin/Valencia moving to United, or Arteta/Cazorla to Arsenal, Cahill/Azpilicueta to Chelsea, or Barry to City. Le Tiss is a huge anomaly, and his legendary status is more to do with the fact that he was a stylish maverick capable of the extraordinary rather than his loyalty. Players like Dodd and Lundekvam played at Southampton for years too and nobody gives too shits about them anymore.

I also think you're undervaluing Milner's contribution at City. Barry would be another example. Neither were passengers.
 
Rowem said:
Delph is far more experienced and established as a PL regular than Rodwell was when he moved.

Any player moving to a bigger club is taking a risk. I don't see much difference between Delph moving to City and Herrera/Schneiderlin/Valencia moving to United, or Arteta/Cazorla to Arsenal, Cahill/Azpilicueta to Chelsea, or Barry to City. Le Tiss is a huge anomaly, and his legendary status is more to do with the fact that he was a stylish maverick capable of the extraordinary rather than his loyalty. Players like Dodd and Lundekvam played at Southampton for years too and nobody gives too shits about them anymore.

I also think you're undervaluing Milner's contribution at City. Barry would be another example. Neither were passengers.
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I think the big difference is the likes of Barry and Milner were brought into the team for the right reasons not because they were homegrown.

With Delph, there's the suspicion that he was purely being signed for his homegrown status. As a player it's probably not comforting to know that you are not being bought because you're good but rather because you are English.

Barry and Milner are good player as you say and good examples. On the other hand you have Rodwell and Sinclair which might have been the reason Why Delph pulled the plug.
 
Rowem said:
Delph is far more experienced and established as a PL regular than Rodwell was when he moved.

Any player moving to a bigger club is taking a risk. I don't see much difference between Delph moving to City and Herrera/Schneiderlin/Valencia moving to United, or Arteta/Cazorla to Arsenal, Cahill/Azpilicueta to Chelsea, or Barry to City. Le Tiss is a huge anomaly, and his legendary status is more to do with the fact that he was a stylish maverick capable of the extraordinary rather than his loyalty. Players like Dodd and Lundekvam played at Southampton for years too and nobody gives too shits about them anymore.

I also think you're undervaluing Milner's contribution at City. Barry would be another example. Neither were passengers.
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there are plenty of examples like Rodwell i just used him as he has City connection, otherwise i agree with you.

As for passengers comment, thats why i used quotation marks, i know they were more then that but in xy years not many will remember Barry or Milner(City fans) while at smaller club they will all remember and salute their best player who was loyal and turned out offers of bigger clubs.
 
akash02 said:
I think the big difference is the likes of Barry and Milner were brought into the team for the right reasons not because they were homegrown.

With Delph, there's the suspicion that he was purely being signed for his homegrown status. As a player it's probably not comforting to know that you are not being bought because you're good but rather because you are English.

Barry and Milner are good player as you say and good examples. On the other hand you have Rodwell and Sinclair which might have been the reason Why Delph pulled the plug.
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Well that's your preconception which is not allowing you to view the transfer neutrally.

For every Herrera/Valencia/Carrick success story at United there is two or more Zaha, Buttner, Tosic, Foster etc. Yet Schneiderlin to United and Delph to City are treated very differently due to the image that people portray of City.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
there are plenty of examples like Rodwell i just used him as he has City connection, otherwise i agree with you.

As for passengers comment, thats why i used quotation marks, i know they were more then that but in xy years not many will remember Barry or Milner(City fans) while at smaller club they will all remember and salute their best player who was loyal and turned out offers of bigger clubs.
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You can't claim both that Delph turned down a move for the sake of his own career and that he will be lauded for his selfless loyalty. The two are completely contradictory.
 
Rowem said:
Well that's your preconception which is not allowing you to view the transfer neutrally.

For every Herrera/Valencia/Carrick success story at United there is two or more Zaha, Buttner, Tosic, Foster etc. Yet Schneiderlin to United and Delph to City are treated very differently due to the image that people portray of City.
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Not really. City have a shortage of homegrown players and they have a previous for this which is why it's being brought up.

A lot can go wrong with players stepping up at any club including United. But when you buy players based on their nationality rather than their quality then it makes it even tougher to succeed.
 
Rowem said:
You can't claim both that Delph turned down a move for the sake of his own career and that he will be lauded for his selfless loyalty. The two are completely contradictory.
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i dont know why Delph turned down the move(i commented that from my perspective its a good career move) but the fact is he turned down a big club who surely offered a big pay rise....in the eyes of Villa fans thats the sign of loyalty.
 
Smart move by Delph. Don't think he is good enough to be a starter at City. Would be wasting the peak years of his career sitting on the bench.
 
akash02 said:
Not really. City have a shortage of homegrown players and they have a previous for this which is why it's being brought up.

A lot can go wrong with players stepping up at any club including United. But when you buy players based on their nationality rather than their quality then it makes it even tougher to succeed.
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Schneiderlin counts as home grown.

City's squad is small enough they could just have youngsters to make up the homegrown quota. If they are signing an established 25 year old and paying him big money it suggests they want him for more than making up the numbers.

Šjor Bepo said:
i dont know why Delph turned down the move(i commented that from my perspective its a good career move) but the fact is he turned down a big club who surely offered a big pay rise....in the eyes of Villa fans thats the sign of loyalty.
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It's either one or the other.
 
Rowem said:
I was going to post the same. Plus it would be the more comfortable option if Delph doesn't back himself to be a regular starter for one of the top 4.
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Alderweild was a good signing but I have no idea what else is going over there. Chadli isn't getting that number of goals again and they might be better off selling Lamela to a Spanish or Italian side since he's still rated highly enough outside of England to get into Argentina's squad but hasn't really produced here. Could get a nice figure or player in exchange, you would think.

They keep adding average fullbacks and they're finally getting rid of some of the deadwood, but they've got Kane-Eriksen-Bentaleb-Vertonghen-Alderweild-Lloris as top 4 level starters (and all 28 and under) and they need 4 or 5 more to really challenge. I think their fans think 2 or 3 will come from within the squad and maybe you can skimp a bit on fullbacks but right now Chadli, Lamela and Mason are all set to start and that will hold them back.
 
akash02 said:
I think the big difference is the likes of Barry and Milner were brought into the team for the right reasons not because they were homegrown.

With Delph, there's the suspicion that he was purely being signed for his homegrown status. As a player it's probably not comforting to know that you are not being bought because you're good but rather because you are English.

Barry and Milner are good player as you say and good examples. On the other hand you have Rodwell and Sinclair which might have been the reason Why Delph pulled the plug.
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There's also the massive difference in the strategic value of the Milner/barry/ lescott transfers, and that was to directly weaken their competitors for the the top four in key positions.
When Barry and Milner were at Villa they were genuine contenders for top 6-3 positions each season, and Everton were in their brief period of flirting with the top 4.
The likes of Sinclair, Rodwell, and the rejected Delph transfer are just quota filling exercises.
 
Don't think its a smart move by him. City are short of midfielders and if next season really went that badly and he didn't play, he could've demanded a transfer or loan.
 
I like him, he'd do well for a top team that uses 3 in midfield and needs a player with lots of energy. He reminds me a little of Ramires.
 
:lol: football is great sometimes.
 
Decent player, but he is not at Champions League level yet. He will make better progress at Villa. He made the right decision.
 
RU Devil said:
Was reading the Guardian article about Delph & his rather smart move in not going to City, but was rather shocked that the comments were rather 50-50. I rather rate him, but not necessarily as a guaranteed starter for a current Top 4 team. Some questioned his ambition & self belief, but when looking at at team like City, who seem to always be buying, I'd be wary of joining them, especially if I were English (i.e. they need the odd home-grown player to make up the numbers, which makes their reason for recruiting someone like Delph a bit shady). Even Milner moved on, despite playing a load of games for them (but not at his favored central position). Given the current nature of the top teams, Delph would've been better off going to Arsenal, but even then he'd have no guarantees of PT. Figure his best bet to move up would be Liverpool or Tottenham, or even go abroad.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/16/fabian-delph-aston-villa-manchester-city
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Fair play to him for not following the money but I actually think he would have played. He's better than Fernando and Fernandinho has looked half decent but not consistent.

I think its more to do with wanting to stay at Villa - which is nice to see I suppose.
 
RedRover said:
Fair play to him for not following the money but I actually think he would have played. He's better than Fernando and Fernandinho has looked half decent but not consistent.

I think its more to do with wanting to stay at Villa - which is nice to see I suppose.
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