FA Youth Cup 4th round vs Chelsea

Got off a plane this morning and saw the result.:eek:
We have real issues. It is well established. Hopefully the embarrassment jolts the club into more action.
 
No you haven't. Bar the 2012 semi final first leg, 2014 21s final and last night we have been the better team nearly every game we've had at u18/21 level that I've seen. More importantly you've had no one as talented in your academy as Januzaj or Pereira or maybe even Wilson. Lingards 18s group absolutely outclassed yours at the time.

Wouldn't be surprised if we got more first team players out of this group than you will either.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/u18s-manchester-united-vs-chelsea.404100/
Basically our U16 side

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/u18s-united-vs-chelsea-really-this-time.387059/
1-1 draw.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/u18s-united-vs-chelsea.367923/
United 1-0

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/u18s-chelsea-vs-united.365499/
1-1 draw

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/fa-youth-cup-our-boys-vs-chelsea.350160/page-10
The youth cup semi final you alluded to.

Surprisingly few fixtures between the two teams actually. Youth football needs more of the big clubs playing against each other. Basically half of them Chelsea have outclassed United and half have been pretty even. Also worth a note, United always play a depleted Chelsea youth side which is a couple years younger then they should be.

About the Januzaj level talents, I completely disagree. Abraham, Aina, Musonda, RLC and Colkett have all shown that they are as good as Januzaj in the U21. Its often a walk in the park for some of them most games. The big problem is the transition from U21 football to first team football.
 
Abraham is an absolute monster at this level. Scored 38/39 last season at the age of 16 and is doing even better this season. Da Silva and Aina are both great fullbacks as well, both been in the youth team for a while now. Funnily enough, Charly Musonda and Dominic Solanke both could have played in this fixture but the former is training with the first team and the latter is out on loan.

I wish we actually brought these guys through. Its hard to watch United being through Lingard/Januzaj Ect. When our own guys have been frequently outclassing them every season.

I think you got Aina mixed up with Tomori.Both Musonda and Aina are too old to play this year.
 
Using this result as evidence of some sort of academy collapse is nonsense. I get the feeling a lot of people who don't actually pay much attention to the youth teams are popping on here, reading the comments and then reading the wrong things into it.

This age group is becoming very unbalanced, partly due to the talent in it but also because of who is being promoted to the U21s and from the U16s when. That is absolutely the right way to go about it, because at this level the priority is making the right decisions for each individual, not preserving a team to win competitions. So yes, they've been really struggling, and this result is basically just a continuation of that - almost inevitably given how strong Chelsea are at this level at the moment.

Meanwhile, our U21s, who have recently benefited from a few key players returning from loans and also some very highly-rated promotions from the aforementioned U18s (Fosu-Mensah et al), just won again against the 'league leaders', Sunderland - we are six points behind them but have three games in hand thanks to the utter shambles that is U21s scheduling. As you can see from any recent U21s thread, they're playing some sublime football too. So we're basically smashing it there. Over the last few seasons we've handed out thrashings to a couple of big rivals, notably two 4-0 victories over City in a row. You'll note that no-one tried to suggest that meant City's academy was a shambles and falling apart. Again, this success doesn't necessarily mean our U21s set-up is a worldie, it simply reflects the timing of player development and availability, which is and should always be the priority.

There are serious issues which need to be resolved asap with the leadership of our academy programme. But those issues are not yet having an impact on the quality of youngsters we're getting at this level, and this result has nothing to do with them.

People need to get their heads around the fact that youth football is not the same as senior football. It works differently, matches are treated differently, 'teams' are a different thing, the objectives are different, and results should be interpreted differently too.
 
The U/18's is a very unique stage for young footballers.

Ideally you want players to step up from just playing for 'development' reasons like they do in U/16's and below where the results are irrelevant.

At the U/18 level you introduce a competitive element. And while results are the only thing, you are looking to see which 17 year olds have the ability and composure to step up to the Reserves and 1st team.

At the moment the whole youth set up is in a deep hole. There are a dozen or so issues that need looking at and it seems that the decision makers at the club are happy with the status quo.

Our U/18 results over the last few months have been the worst in our entire history.

There is no co-incidence that when we are dominating leagues at this level it leads to 1st team success a few years later. All our history shows this, and yet we have a shocking record at Academy level since it's introduction in 1999.

A serious overhaul is needed and pretty quick.
 
The U/18's is a very unique stage for young footballers.

Ideally you want players to step up from just playing for 'development' reasons like they do in U/16's and below where the results are irrelevant.

At the U/18 level you introduce a competitive element. And while results are the only thing, you are looking to see which 17 year olds have the ability and composure to step up to the Reserves and 1st team.

At the moment the whole youth set up is in a deep hole. There are a dozen or so issues that need looking at and it seems that the decision makers at the club are happy with the status quo.

Our U/18 results over the last few months have been the worst in our entire history.

There is no co-incidence that when we are dominating leagues at this level it leads to 1st team success a few years later. All our history shows this, and yet we have a shocking record at Academy level since it's introduction in 1999.

A serious overhaul is needed and pretty quick.
I thought we were planning an overhaul of the academy system? or is it not making much progress due to a lack of interest from Van Gaal, Woody, etc?
 
I thought we were planning an overhaul of the academy system? or is it not making much progress due to a lack of interest from Van Gaal, Woody, etc?

Absolutely no sign of any progress anywhere at all.

I have yet to see the club make any form of official acknowledgement about the situation.
 
Absolutely no sign of any progress anywhere at all.

I have yet to see the club make any form of official acknowledgement about the situation.
Sigh! This is so disappointing. I know the first team is a mess right now but that doesn't mean we ignore the youth setup entirely till we fix that mess. :(