Yes it's going to be interesting to see if Ferrari can keep the challenge up to Red Bull. If the car is up to it then you have two strong drivers in Leclerc and Sainz but they can end up taking points off each other. Perez is a bit too weak for a second driver but at least won't affect Max, ideally you want a balance like Vettel and Webber to clean up.
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I somehow messed up Villeneuve and Hill. Too many controversies over the years yet most were handled better than this one.
Weather in Bahrein looks sunny.
Webber in a car that could win would have been good to see.
I don't think it is utter nonsense. It is certainly a possibility. Incompetence or malice. 50/50 for me. I also think Masi was too cosy with certain Red Bull team members.
It looks even worse when you consider the effecrive changing of the overtaking rules at a Brazil last year in Maxs favour. Which almost every driver commented on being a game changer and unprecedented.
If the FIA had released their report last year maybe we could accommodate you.
Wasn't he in the same car as vettel for the 4 years the red bull won the constructors and seb won the drivers
Winning 7gps (to sebs 34)
So yeah pretty sure he was in a car that could win
Yes, I had forgotten that, I'm wrong again. It's my age.
edit. Maybe I just thought he was never meant to win that much, was he considered 2nd driver as such? Not making excuses.
I think they're just inept and as you've said gutless. The new race directors made a big point before Bahrain that track limits are now the white lines to simplify the rule. Anybody with both wheels outside the lines would have laps deleted in both qualifying and in the race according to them with no exceptions.
We get to Q1 and Sky are showing major drivers driving outside with nothing said from the FIA. They then obviously saw that this was being discussed on TV and deleted one lap in Q2 by a driver outside of the top 10 making the new rule meaningless and inconsistent after less than an hour of driving. They haven't changed.
I suppose they just didn't want the added pressure of making a decision about whether a driver benefitted from doing so? Now you have to wonder whether teams complaining about it will get a reaction or pundits mentioning it.
I think there was a season where him and vettel were pretty close but vettel was younger and the way the regs moved pushed the car more naturally to a set up he likes.... then rb devoted the car further that way
I seem to remember webber winning a gp and then getting on the radio saying not bad for a number 2...
As i have said, lets hope lewis gets no8, wins the title and we might get some sort of closure on this debacle. I know the damage has been done for many of who have followed the sport foe decades. Its a real shame he didnt get no8 last season, as i genuinely would be happy for either leclerc or sainz to win the title this year. Its been far too long since we had a ferrari wdc.
The worse possible outcome for this sport this year is a max verstappen title win. That would keep abu dhabi debacle rolling over and over....
The worse possible outcome for this sport this year is a max verstappen title win. That would keep abu dhabi debacle rolling over and over....
Wasnt that after Malaysia when vettel refused to give a place back to webber. The team didnt support webber by trying to make vettel give the place back and webber was furious.
Putting this out there, how many races before ferrari issue team orders and focus on leclerc or sainz? Cant have ferrari drivers taking points off each other. Perez is verstappen support and his season i have no doubt russell will be Hamilton's support.
There will be fireworks at Ferrari when that call happens and that could make things rather ugly within the team.
There will be fireworks at Ferrari when that call happens and that could make things rather ugly within the team.
Interesting this.
I play this racing game and there are various Americans on my team. One of them said that he's basically never heard anyone talking about F1 his whole life and he only really learnt about F1 playing the game.
I know they are trying to raise the profile in America, but, until they can find a driver who can challenge for race wins, it's always going to be an up hill struggle.
Mind you, more British people go to Le Mans every year than go to the British Grand Prix, yet hardly anyone is interested in endurance racing.
I play this racing game and there are various Americans on my team. One of them said that he's basically never heard anyone talking about F1 his whole life and he only really learnt about F1 playing the game.
I know they are trying to raise the profile in America, but, until they can find a driver who can challenge for race wins, it's always going to be an up hill struggle.
Mind you, more British people go to Le Mans every year than go to the British Grand Prix, yet hardly anyone is interested in endurance racing.
I think Sainz knows Leclerc is the bigger star. But yeah, interesting dilemma...
and we all know what Toto’s motivation was in demanding no safety car with the incident before Latifi’s. To make out Red Bull in some way acted unethically and Merc were screwed is just plain wrong.
It’s funny because the narrative in this thread alone is that the man who was in the lead going into the final race wasn’t deserving of even being in a championship battle. If both cars had blown engines then Max would have rightfully been named champion, that’s why it’s funny. I feel a bit bad for Hamilton because he’s the one who’s lost out, but the narrative surrounding it is hilarious.
As mentioned many many time Lewis also benefited from awful decisions in that same race. Lewis also benefitted when Interlagos was flooded back when he won his first title in a race that should probably have been stopped but wasn’t, these things happen.
Calling Max an asterisk champion and making out he wasn’t deserving of the title is very funny to me in the same way morons claiming referees are biased against their football team are, because it’s pathetic and blatantly untrue. I don’t even have a dog in the fight, I keep up with F1 for something fun to watch without having “a team” or anything like that.
Yeah and if I had won all races I would have been champion.
But I didn't, and hence we have the discussion. Rather convenient to leave out why Max was ahead at that point too. Like that didn't have anything to do with the FIA or 2 laps behind the safety car are a race Masi.
It was just too much in one season to leave a asterix off of that championship. Michael's first championship will always have the asterix of the collision, and Max's will always have his asterix. Prost's win against Senna will always be remembered for what happend... Yet Max is beyond criticism. We should all just act like nothing happened because it might annoy his devout followers...
Never mind that he would never have been there to win it if his brakechecking and weaving had been dealt with appropriately.
#HumanErrorChampion is trending on twitter. 
For me, it’s the stewards who should really be under fire for the Abu Dhabi farce. Masi made a mistake but he was under time pressure. The stewards read the very clear rules and somehow came to a conclusion that his decision was fine. Now, it might have been that the only decision they could have made would have been to void the race, so Max would still be WC, but they should have done what was right, not just supported Masi. The ongoing suggestion that the rules were somehow unclear just seems to be a continuing cover-up.
Anyway, best of luck to Ferrari today. Will be fantastic if they can compete with Red Bull this season.
Anyway, best of luck to Ferrari today. Will be fantastic if they can compete with Red Bull this season.
In the real world none of them championships are considered in the way you suggest, just like Max’s won’t be. He was a deserving champion just like all of the others you name.
If by the real world you mean Kardashian and Kanye territory we might agree.
It really is awful how he’s acting towards her. Even Michael Masi would step in at this point.
A real asterisk husband if ever there was one.
I'll be honest, I've still not heard Toto 'demanding' no safety car in the incident prior. I'll say that I don't think it's his style to demand and it's a valid opinion to question a race car's necessity dependent on where it parks up.
I'm just not even going to bother responding to the rest because it just encourages the argumentative battle between posters who think it's all about their driver this, their driver that when in fact most people I see on here are F1 fans first, teams and drivers second, I just don't agree considering the thoughtful approach most have made in their posts. Most times decisions that don't go your way during a race are debatable but not so defining, they supposedly even out and are instant on the spot which could go either way. This has caused something we all fear is unethical and yes, unfair, so, not really comparable it being the last lap of the last race etc etc. Leaving such a simple investigation until the first race of the next season? No, these things shouldn't happen even if you say they do.
He wasn't bad for a number 2 driver...
I really hope the cars can follow and race, but I fear it won't be the case. There are also some pretty big time gaps between cars in qualifying so I can see the field getting very strung out. Fingers crossed it's a good race as F1 needs it to be to shift attention from last year's farce.
In theory these changes should allow the following car to get much closer to car in front as the turbulent wake is reduced. If that doesnt happen, fia will intervene and tweat the car regs, most likely for next season.
It's a completely opposite point of view. I really must missed the bitter anti-Verstappen posts and pro-Hamilton chants. If anything it's been anti-Masi whereas I seem to be the only person who sees him being the villain isn't quite so fair.
But it's a forum for expressing opinions, even crap ones from you
I like Verstappen, I wish he'd be a little less aggressive, never really warmed to Lewis but I try. I dislike Horner, have for a while. Surely we are allowed to discuss what we want to, it being a forum and dedicated thread?
Merc not winning, calling it
Lights out when? 1:40 to go?
3pm GMT, so just over 90 mins as I'm repying here.
Now that is a better bet. Unless the Ferrari gets taken out by a RB...
I mean, how could that possibility happen...
It's a completely opposite point of view. I really must missed the bitter anti-Verstappen posts and pro-Hamilton chants. If anything it's been anti-Masi whereas I seem to be the only person who sees him being the villain isn't quite so fair.
But it's a forum for expressing opinions, even crap ones from you
I like Verstappen, I wish he'd be a little less aggressive, never really warmed to Lewis but I try. I dislike Horner, have for a while. Surely we are allowed to discuss what we want to, it being a forum and dedicated thread?
Of course you are. After all, the FIA cover up, I mean report has only just been issued. So it is current news.
It's a completely opposite point of view. I really must missed the bitter anti-Verstappen posts and pro-Hamilton chants. If anything it's been anti-Masi whereas I seem to be the only person who sees him being the villain isn't quite so fair.
But it's a forum for expressing opinions, even crap ones from you
I like Verstappen, I wish he'd be a little less aggressive, never really warmed to Lewis but I try. I dislike Horner, have for a while. Surely we are allowed to discuss what we want to, it being a forum and dedicated thread?
Where did I say you cant discuss what you want to?
I just enjoy reading the misery in a thread the day of a race where we finally have two teams competing for the win that aren't Mercedes for the first time in 9 years. No one who's an F1-fan-first could be upset about that.
Ask Lewis, was good at it last season. Him and Max are so dirty.
I thought it was implied when you mentioned the last couple of pages of regurgitated bitterness. I mean I'd hardly class it as bitterness so I just thought you were complaining about something you didn't want discussed being, discussed.
Read it, don't read it, your choice, give it a quick scan, choose not to, even put all the posters you don't like discussing bitterness on Ignore, it's all your choice
I personally enjoy when people start to complain about what's being discussed, obviously it doesn't stop me.
I was wrong yesterday so hoping I’m wrong today, trying some sort of anti-jinx here