F1 2022 Season

Max has his reputation for a reason. The aggression and recklessness is not unique, Senna had shades of it early on, but you'd think by now he would have learned to cut those moves out. With Horner in one ear and his parents in the other he's only going to get worse. It will taint an otherwise exceptional talent.
 
Early reports from Italian media that Binotto is out of Ferrari at the end of the year. Recruitment of a new Team Principal will come from within the paddock rather than an existing Ferrari employee.
 
F-Red said:
Early reports from Italian media that Binotto is out of Ferrari at the end of the year. Recruitment of a new Team Principal will come from within the paddock rather than an existing Ferrari employee.
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Wow. Good decision making.

Wonder who they’re interested in. Seidl?
 
Doracle said:
Checo doesn’t appear to have any idea what was going on. If he’d deliberately crashed and admitted that to the team, he’s hardly going to have been surprised Max didn’t let him past and said that it showed the type of person Max is. In fact, if that had happened, Max would (correctly) have insisted he be kicked from the team. Feels more like some perceived issue invented in Max’s head.
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Daddy V has already said that it was because they gave Perez a better strategy than his baby meaning that Perez won the race.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Daddy V has already said that it was because they gave Perez a better strategy than his baby meaning that Perez won the race.
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They also gave Perez a crap strategy in Spain when Perez was ahead of Verstappen in the championship.

Unfortunately Red Bull are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have a generational talent on their hands and they want to do everything to please him and his team. Because otherwise he can leave and go to a Ferrari or Mercedes.
 
JuriM said:


Now Verstappen's mother coming out of the woodwork accusing Sergio Perez of cheating on his wife after the Monaco GP..

Netflix scenario stuff.
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To be fair, he was spotted drinking on the yacht with some girls.

 
11101 said:
Max has his reputation for a reason. The aggression and recklessness is not unique, Senna had shades of it early on, but you'd think by now he would have learned to cut those moves out. With Horner in one ear and his parents in the other he's only going to get worse. It will taint an otherwise exceptional talent.
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Max is an exceptional talent.
And he is driving for a very capable team that are totally focused on Max.
But you are right about his recklessness.
It is interesting that up to the Brazil GP, he was reasonably well behaved, primarily because he was not challenged.
But in Brazil, Mercedes were faster.
And as soon as Max was challenged by Hamilton, the recklessness returned.

There is no doubt that the only driver he seriously worries about is Hamilton.
And that is what I am most looking forward to next season.
RB and Max being seriously challenged. Might not happen.
But if Mercedes do, especially Hamilton, there could be fireworks.
 
Buster15 said:
Max is an exceptional talent.
And he is driving for a very capable team that are totally focused on Max.
But you are right about his recklessness.
It is interesting that up to the Brazil GP, he was reasonably well behaved, primarily because he was not challenged.
But in Brazil, Mercedes were faster.
And as soon as Max was challenged by Hamilton, the recklessness returned.

There is no doubt that the only driver he seriously worries about is Hamilton.
And that is what I am most looking forward to next season.
RB and Max being seriously challenged. Might not happen.
But if Mercedes do, especially Hamilton, there could be fireworks.
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Everybody else gives him a little extra Max room because they know he's not pulling out. Hamilton is so past doing that. If the line is his he'll take it.
 
Buster15 said:
Max is an exceptional talent.
And he is driving for a very capable team that are totally focused on Max.
But you are right about his recklessness.
It is interesting that up to the Brazil GP, he was reasonably well behaved, primarily because he was not challenged.
But in Brazil, Mercedes were faster.
And as soon as Max was challenged by Hamilton, the recklessness returned.

There is no doubt that the only driver he seriously worries about is Hamilton.
And that is what I am most looking forward to next season.
RB and Max being seriously challenged. Might not happen.
But if Mercedes do, especially Hamilton, there could be fireworks.
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I suspect his sheer speed has something to do with it. He has been so dominant his whole career I don't think he's ever had the need to perfect his racecraft, he usually just drove away from everybody, in both karting and junior formulas. It's only now he's in F1 has he encountered drivers who can match him for speed and he has never learned how to go wheel to wheel with them.
 
Buster15 said:
Max is an exceptional talent.
And he is driving for a very capable team that are totally focused on Max.
But you are right about his recklessness.
It is interesting that up to the Brazil GP, he was reasonably well behaved, primarily because he was not challenged.
But in Brazil, Mercedes were faster.
And as soon as Max was challenged by Hamilton, the recklessness returned.

There is no doubt that the only driver he seriously worries about is Hamilton.
And that is what I am most looking forward to next season.
RB and Max being seriously challenged. Might not happen.
But if Mercedes do, especially Hamilton, there could be fireworks.
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Max is a great driver, but a difficult personality.
He clashed with Checo, because he shifted himself into the barriers in Monaco.
 
11101 said:
It's only now he's in F1 has he encountered drivers who can match him for speed and he has never learned how to go wheel to wheel with them.
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No drama all the times this season he's been wheel to wheel with George, Charles and Carlos, in moments where they were roughly matched for pace. Meanwhile Magnussen and Alonso would have some stories to tell you about drivers who only seem to know how to race cleanly when they have a much faster car.
 
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hobbers said:
No drama all the times this season he's been wheel to wheel with George, Charles and Carlos, in moments where they were roughly matched for pace. Meanwhile Magnussen and Alonso would have some stories to tell you about drivers who only seem to know how to race cleanly when they have a much faster car.
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Roughly matched for pace?! Max has won 14 of 21 races this season. A Red Bull has been on pole, had the fastest lap or won on 17 of the 21. Of the four they havent, Max has either retired or crashed in all of them. At no point has he ever been 'roughly matched for pace'.
 
hobbers said:
Is your memory really that poor?

Bahrain, Saudi, Australia, Austria etc etc Max vs Charles. Spain, Brazil Max vs George. Canada, Silverstone, Brazil Max vs Sainz, albeit they were never fully alongside in Canada and they touched in Brazil.

There was no significant RB advantage in any of these situations, in a lot of them the RB was slower - Brazil, Austria, Bahrain, Australia. In others there was a tyre offset.
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There were races where Ferrari was faster on some sections of the race but Redbull had a much better car than every other team if you take the season ad a whole.
 
me: surely this is an open and shut case?

max fans in this thread:
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Fully Fledged said:
Everybody else gives him a little extra Max room because they know he's not pulling out. Hamilton is so past doing that. If the line is his he'll take it.
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Sainz did similar in the sprint race and max lost an N fence of the front wing.

People will go tit for tat with max if they are in a car as conpetiative as the RedBull.

Hamilton gets under Maxs skin, but that was the same for most rivaliries: prost/senna, hakkinen/schamcher, vettel(ferrari)/hamilton etc
 
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Did he also take back his statement that he would continue to break the rules and crash into opponents who are faster than him?
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Almost everybody on here felt it was a racing incident, even the Hamilton fans thought so. I mean, even Brundle thought so and that's saying something. The statement Max made gets misinterpreted and he's made further comments clarifying this. For example he's said he'd do it all again because he feels he was alongside enough to be given at least a cars width of space which Hamilton certainly did not provide. Max committed to the move but right away felt Hamilton wouldn't give him the space he needed and would collide and he was right but he didn't really have anywhere to go at that point. Would he have made the corner if Hamilton left a cars width, we don't know. He'd probably need to lift or brake and he's also said if Hamilton had left the space Hamilton would still likely come out ahead because he'd have a better exit. It's not unlike the Silverstone incident in that regard except the roles are reversed here and Max did at least leave a car's width then and Max was further alongside here in Brazil than Hamilton was at Silverstone. These factors are probably why Hamilton was given a bigger penalty at Silverstone than Max was here. Honestly I felt like it was Lewis' fault at first since he slammed the door shut and didn't leave any space while Max was well alongside but after hearing all the arguments I was like alright racing incident then like everyone on here said in the first place. I still don't feel the penalty is correct and I think it sets a dangerous precedent that could limit the wheel to wheel racing we all love to see even more. Mind you I think the penalty would have been correct if Hamilton left the space and Max still crashed into him but that's not what happened here sadly.
 
JuriM said:
According to twitter rumors, it's Alfa's Vasseur.

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Had an excellent start to the season. Has fallen back a bit as the season has gone on.

He'll fit right in.

ArjenIsM3 said:
Almost everybody on here felt it was a racing incident, even the Hamilton fans thought so. I mean, even Brundle thought so and that's saying something. The statement Max made gets misinterpreted and he's made further comments clarifying this. For example he's said he'd do it all again because he feels he was alongside enough to be given at least a cars width of space which Hamilton certainly did not provide. Max committed to the move but right away felt Hamilton wouldn't give him the space he needed and would collide and he was right but he didn't really have anywhere to go at that point. Would he have made the corner if Hamilton left a cars width, we don't know. He'd probably need to lift or brake and he's also said if Hamilton had left the space Hamilton would still likely come out ahead because he'd have a better exit. It's not unlike the Silverstone incident in that regard except the roles are reversed here and Max did at least leave a car's width then and Max was further alongside here in Brazil than Hamilton was at Silverstone. These factors are probably why Hamilton was given a bigger penalty at Silverstone than Max was here. Honestly I felt like it was Lewis' fault at first since he slammed the door shut and didn't leave any space while Max was well alongside but after hearing all the arguments I was like alright racing incident then like everyone on here said in the first place. I still don't feel the penalty is correct and I think it sets a dangerous precedent that could limit the wheel to wheel racing we all love to see even more. Mind you I think the penalty would have been correct if Hamilton left the space and Max still crashed into him but that's not what happened here sadly.
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I agree the rules might be flawed and counter to wheel to wheel racing.

But they are clear:

Max was never fully alongside. He carried too much speed into the corner. On both counts, Lewis had no obligation in the rules to give Max space or leave the fastest racing line, and Max should have backed out.

Lewis should have given Max more room to avoid an incident, but Max had the greater obligation in the rulebook to back out. The severity of the punishment was deserved given it could have cost Lewis his first win of the season, Max's history of similar incidents and Max's insistence that he would break the rules and crash into another driver who was entitled to the racing line again.
 
11101 said:
I suspect his sheer speed has something to do with it. He has been so dominant his whole career I don't think he's ever had the need to perfect his racecraft, he usually just drove away from everybody, in both karting and junior formulas. It's only now he's in F1 has he encountered drivers who can match him for speed and he has never learned how to go wheel to wheel with them.
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He did last year though.
 
Max will probably be on Piers Morgan next week claiming he was disrespected by his team because they asked him to drop 2 points to help out someone who constantly helps him out, and rightly so. Also he'll probably tell them all about Checo's affairs, and that Horner definitely fecks his horses.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Max will probably be on Piers Morgan next week claiming he was disrespected by his team because they asked him to drop 2 points to help out someone who constantly helps him out, and rightly so. Also he'll probably tell them all about Checo's affairs, and that Horner definitely fecks his horses.
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That's not a very nice thing to say about Geri.
 
11101 said:
Yeah, and look how well that went. Virtually killed the integrity of the sport in the eyes of many long time F1 fans.
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Yes indeed. I am one of those life long F1 fans. Ever since Jim Clark and the Lotus 49 and beginning of Cosworth Ford.
Last season was full of drama right up to the appalling end. Something that certainly made me think twice about whether I still believed in the sport.
And RB exceeding the budget cap only made that worse.

This season, unless you are an avid Verstappen fan, did nothing to enthuse.
But Mercedes progress at the very end of this year gives me hope that next season will be worth watching.

Edit.
And for what it is worth, I can honestly say without hesitation that Lewis Hamilton is the very best F1 driver I have seen.
 
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klsv said:
Schumacher officially replaced by Hülkenberg at Haas.
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Understandable. He hasn't done well enough. Doesn't even have any pole positions.

Also, partnering Hülkenberg and Magnussen is interesting to say the least. The Drive to Survive team must be fully erect.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Understandable. He hasn't done well enough. Doesn't even have any pole positions.

Also, partnering Hülkenberg and Magnussen is interesting to say the least. The Drive to Survive team must be fully erect.
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The quicker he can get away from the Haas shit show the better. Steiner is a joke of a team manager and has continually set that team back year after year with his bullshit.

That’s not even including the fecking muppet that is doing their strategies because they even make Ferrari look good.

Mick is fast, there is zero doubt it. There’s a saying in Motorsport that you can teach a quick driver to stop making mistakes, you can’t teach a slow driver to be fast…
 
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