F1 2022 Season

again a fair point.

It would be if the guy making it didn't pretend to be a Norris fan who was completely neutral for most of last year.

Verstappen could drive straight into the crowd, and he'd find a way for it to be Hamilton's fault.
 
Why would Perez want to deliberately crash to finish 3rd in the qualifying? And why would he admit that to anybody and risk a severe punishment?
 
So just that I understand this correctly, this is an accurate report and not some conspiracy theory by the heavily biased Dutch media :wenger: ?
 
Why would Perez want to deliberately crash to finish 3rd in the qualifying? And why would he admit that to anybody and risk a severe punishment?
Exactly what I'm wondering, had to go back to the quali highlights as I didn't remember him getting pole. Doesn't really add up, sounds like utter rubbish
 
Why would Perez want to deliberately crash to finish 3rd in the qualifying? And why would he admit that to anybody and risk a severe punishment?

Because the Red Bull/Dutch media spin has to justify it somehow, it can’t possibly be the golden boys fault. Tom Coronel! Not biased at all then, might as well have asked Jos, if he isn’t too busy beating up his girlfriend.
 
Jesus some people will go at anything just to have a go at max, it’s second in the fecking championship, do you know who will remember it in 10 years, only the dickhead writing captions when interviewing him, seasons been long over give its rest with these king tribalism I think Charles should also be embarrassed about asking sainz to give up a podium set you targets higher for feck sake Charles, as Ricky bobby used say if you ain’t 1st your last.
 
Jesus some people will go at anything just to have a go at max, it’s second in the fecking championship, do you know who will remember it in 10 years, only the dickhead writing captions when interviewing him, seasons been long over give its rest with these king tribalism I think Charles should also be embarrassed about asking sainz to give up a podium set you targets higher for feck sake Charles, as Ricky bobby used say if you ain’t 1st your last.
Checo and Charles.
 
Jesus some people will go at anything just to have a go at max, it’s second in the fecking championship, do you know who will remember it in 10 years, only the dickhead writing captions when interviewing him, seasons been long over give its rest with these king tribalism I think Charles should also be embarrassed about asking sainz to give up a podium set you targets higher for feck sake Charles, as Ricky bobby used say if you ain’t 1st your last.

This will be perez best season finish in f1, where ever he places. Do you think he doesn't care?

I think the opposite, people will efend max over anything. His radio message is horrendous after everything perez has done for him.

This red bull drama is great though, really enjoying it.
 
Imagine a race if everyone gave up if they weren’t fighting for first position.
 
The gap seems to keep growing every time someone refers to it.

If true, Max could not possibly give up 4 seconds across that lap to let Perez back in front.

Though maybe a redundant point because clearly he wouldn't have given up the place whether it was 4 seconds or 0.4.

For sure but I would totally understand the outrage if it was 0.4s. In this case Perez was a lightyear behind and Max almost caught the Alpine in the end.

The team should rather ask themselves how they go from Perez in podium and Max 10th to Max being 4s ahead of him in the few laps after the safety car.
 
Leaving aside that it was obviously the safety car that won Abu Dhabi for Max, what was it about Perez's sterling defence vs Hamilton that meant he sacrificed his entire season? Sorry going to need that explained to me slowly, ideally in a way that doesn't sound deranged.

If you dont like a dose of sanity and balance in this thread feel free to ignore me. Seems to work well for a couple of the weaker-willed Herberts around here.
Max probably wouldn't let the safety car pass him either. :lol:
 
By the way, what is wrong with Ricciardo, that's two races in a row where he's stuck his nose in where he shouldn't. It's pure incompetence, for someone of his experience inexcusable.
Probably desperate to get a good result and stay in the sport. Trying too hard maybe?
 
Jesus some people will go at anything just to have a go at max, it’s second in the fecking championship, do you know who will remember it in 10 years, only the dickhead writing captions when interviewing him, seasons been long over give its rest with these king tribalism I think Charles should also be embarrassed about asking sainz to give up a podium set you targets higher for feck sake Charles, as Ricky bobby used say if you ain’t 1st your last.

It's ironic you claim folks should give it a rest with the tribalism, while defending Max for a pointless refusal to give a place back, given how often Checo has sacrificed for him.

There's almost certainly a big financial incentive for Perez to get 2nd in his RB contract, not to mention the low likelihood he'll have another opportunity at a 2nd place finish.

If it were another team that doesn't regularly do team orders, or was without the history these 2 have, then nobody would mention it (in the same way nobody is criticising Sainz today), but this is Red Bull, they're the kings of team orders, and given how many times Checo has done it for Max, there was no good reason not to give one back given that he's already the champion. It's not the end of the world or anything, just spoiled and classless (and entirely in character).
 
That's what you guys seemingly want, that drivers just give up their positions.

It’s a championship though, everyone up and down the grid are fighting their own battles as a team and as drivers against each other. Even Senna and Schumacher have moved over once they’d won the title for their team.

Anyway it’s not a big deal and Max said he will help next time.
 
Daddy Jos after Monaco
https://racingnews365.com/jos-verstappen-disappointed-with-red-bull-after-perezs-monaco-win

Speaking in his column on Verstappen.com, Jos said that he was "disappointed" by the race result, and claimed that Red Bull did not help Max in his quest for victory.

The Monaco Grand Prix was instead won by Verstappen's teammate, Sergio Perez, as he climbed from third on the grid to first, thanks to some quick thinking on the Red Bull pit wall.

"Red Bull achieved a good result, but at the same time exerted little influence to help Max to the front," Jos argued.

"That he finished third, he owes to Ferrari's mistake at that second stop of Charles Leclerc.

"The championship leader, Max, was not helped in that sense by the chosen strategy. It turned completely in Checo's favour.

"That was disappointing to me, and I would have liked it to be different for the championship leader."
 
max will get perez removed for next season.

Ricciardo will take his seat
 
It's ironic you claim folks should give it a rest with the tribalism, while defending Max for a pointless refusal to give a place back, given how often Checo has sacrificed for him.

There's almost certainly a big financial incentive for Perez to get 2nd in his RB contract, not to mention the low likelihood he'll have another opportunity at a 2nd place finish.

If it were another team that doesn't regularly do team orders, or was without the history these 2 have, then nobody would mention it (in the same way nobody is criticising Sainz today), but this is Red Bull, they're the kings of team orders, and given how many times Checo has done it for Max, there was no good reason not to give one back given that he's already the champion. It's not the end of the world or anything, just spoiled and classless (and entirely in character).
Bang on.
 
Quite separate to all the gesticulating in this thread, I do think it's bizarre that Sergio and Charles care so much about a losers championship trophy.

You might say it's like getting a podium on your record but it isn't, not really. I'd rather have third place at Interlagos than second in the drivers championship.

Second in the drivers championship will carry some permutations on sponsorship payout and driver bonus' from those sponsorships, so I can see the logical arguments from both Perez & Leclerc camps around why second in the drivers championship still carries some importance.
 
Second in the drivers championship will carry some permutations on sponsorship payout and driver bonus' from those sponsorships, so I can see the logical arguments from both Perez & Leclerc camps around why second in the drivers championship still carries some importance.
There's no point trying to get him to see sense.
 
Do we post comments from racists on here though?

We have entire threads about racists here :lol:

I posted that as it seems like very very "wah-wah, you didn't help my son" type of a thing. First RB didn't help Max in Monaco and now suddenly a Dutch journalist with links to the family says Perez randomly crashed out to finish 3rd in the qualifying.
 
max was definitely the kind of child that pulled the wings off of flys.
 
We have entire threads about racists here :lol:

I posted that as it seems like very very "wah-wah, you didn't help my son" type of a thing. First RB didn't help Max in Monaco and now suddenly a Dutch journalist with links to the family says Perez randomly crashed out to finish 3rd in the qualifying.
I know. He's just a vile man though no wonder his son turned out the way he did.
 
Obviously it does as Horner said that the team is actively trying to get second for Checo.

They should try harder then and not find themselves in a position where Perez is the only one on mediums. If they had done a better job Max wouldn't have been anywhere near him.
 
Fantastic race, just finished watching it. Shame the damage on lewis car didnt let him get within drs of russell, wanted to see them really fight.

Also what a cnut max is to do that to his teammate. Thats not how a world champion should behave with his teammate, especially when his teammate needs all the points he can get.
 
Max is unbelievable, played the nice guy act this year under no pressure, hopefully be a lot different next season.
Funnier the usual in here defending him. No point rising to it.
 
Ooooo boy. I'm gonna stay clear of this thread for a long long time. Max hate will be at a maximum.

Not a good day for Max on and off the track. People will blow this up into infinity, Max is the devil etc.

Max and his fans are never gonna live this down. It will be mentioned in 50 years because people won't let go. Max himself is partly to blame of course. Not smart.

Anyway the toxicity in here will be at an all time high and I won't be a part of it.
 
Wouldn't really make a difference. The pace difference or tyre difference has always been so great that he never actually has a choice in the matter anyway.

He'd have one less championship without it so it would probably make a decent difference. Without his defence in Abu Dhabi Lewis would have been 6 miles down the road and very safely pitted under the SC without having to worry about track position.
 
Ooooo boy. I'm gonna stay clear of this thread for a long long time. Max hate will be at a maximum.

Not a good day for Max on and off the track. People will blow this up into infinity, Max is the devil etc.

Max and his fans are never gonna live this down. It will be mentioned in 50 years because people won't let go. Max himself is partly to blame of course. Not smart.

Anyway the toxicity in here will be at an all time high and I won't be a part of it.

The only way Max can redeem himself in the eyes of this thread is if he takes Charles out Senna-style in Abu Dhabi.