F1 2022 Season

Something else for a change: how come all the youngest title winning drivers are from this century? I read that the top 4 is now this:
  1. Vettel 2010: 23y, 4m, 11d
  2. Hamilton 2008: 23y, 9m, 26d
  3. Alonso 2005: 24y, 1m, 27d
  4. Verstappen 2021: 24y, 2m, 12d
Is there a reason why F1 drivers have been winning their first titles earlier than ever before? Are drivers getting into F1 earlier now?
 
BrilliantOrange said:
Because he loves the sport.. Same reason Vettel, Alonso and Kimi (til today) are still in it, even in in significant cars..
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They aren't 7 times champions -- he has a legacy that will be unmatched. There is some pride in being a 7 time World Champion. That's why he won't carry on like Vettel and especially like Kimi and race in obscurity.

He may feel that he is just too tired to want to keep fighting the system -- something he has done ever since he was a kid. (if you know some of his history.)

Plus he will be 37y.o when the next season starts. He has plenty of other interests off the track.
 
sglowrider said:
He may feel that he is just too tired to want to keep fighting the system -- something he has done ever since he was a kid. (if you know some of his history.)
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The system within which he's won a world title in every other season of his F1 career?

If the system has been fighting him it's done a spectacularly bad job.
 
sglowrider said:
They aren't 7 times champions -- he has a legacy that will be unmatched. There is some pride in being a 7 time World Champion. That's why he won't carry on like Vettel and especially like Kimi and race in obscurity.

He may feel that he is just too tired to want to keep fighting the system -- something he has done ever since he was a kid. (if you know some of his history.)

Plus he will be 37y.o when the next season starts. He has plenty of other interests off the track.
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So there are many reasons why he perhaps should resign, his interests off the track could be a very good reason for him to do so.

Ofcrours Vettel, Kimi and Alonso arent near the legacy of Hamilton, but that doesnt mean he cant continute another year if he just loves the game right? That could be stronger than worrying about your reputation/legacy (for all Im concenerd he can be outperformed by both Haas the next 3 years and it would harnish his reputation. There are many examples in football as well right..

- Arjen Robben struggling for a year to get fit just to get some game time for FC Groningen, coming back after retirement
- Marc Overmars coming out of retirement to play for Go Ahead Eagles in the Dutch 2nd league
- Edgar Davids playing for Barnet in the League Two.

So you may be right, there are defintely atletes for how the pride of a difnified goodby is more important. I remember Jaap Stam at Ajax quitting mid-season as he felt he was declining and wouldn't have it..

But for Lewis it can still go either way right? Has he made any statements in the past? I bloody hope he continues, hopefully another year in a competitive Mercedes car, otherwise a la Kimi, Vettel, Alonso.. He is a gem to have in the sports.
 
Perhaps one thing that will come out of this season is some tightening of the rules and regulations. Hopefully making it more clear as to what is and isn’t allowed on track.

They’ll need to clean up the regulation which Mercedes are appealing, as it leaves a lot to interpretation, so much so decisions yesterday decided the outcome of a race season and it has zero chance of being appealed, IMO.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
So there are many reasons why he perhaps should resign, his interests off the track could be a very good reason for him to do so.

Ofcrours Vettel, Kimi and Alonso arent near the legacy of Hamilton, but that doesnt mean he cant continute another year if he just loves the game right? That could be stronger than worrying about your reputation/legacy (for all Im concenerd he can be outperformed by both Haas the next 3 years and it would harnish his reputation. There are many examples in football as well right..

- Arjen Robben struggling for a year to get fit just to get some game time for FC Groningen, coming back after retirement
- Marc Overmars coming out of retirement to play for Go Ahead Eagles in the Dutch 2nd league
- Edgar Davids playing for Barnet in the League Two.

So you may be right, there are defintely atletes for how the pride of a difnified goodby is more important. I remember Jaap Stam at Ajax quitting mid-season as he felt he was declining and wouldn't have it..

But for Lewis it can still go either way right? Has he made any statements in the past? I bloody hope he continues, hopefully another year in a competitive Mercedes car, otherwise a la Kimi, Vettel, Alonso.. He is a gem to have in the sports.
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Those players you mentioned arent at the level of say a Messi, Cryuff or Ronaldo, Pele or Maradona which is what level Lewis is at. Ok, Maradona is Maradona a bit loco so anything goes with him.
 
hobbers said:
The system within which he's won a world title in every other season of his F1 career?

If the system has been fighting him it's done a spectacularly bad job.
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You not hear the stories of the struggles of the past? Why do you think he pushes for diversity?

Lewis succeeded in spite of the system.
 
theyneverlearn said:
Perhaps one thing that will come out of this season is some tightening of the rules and regulations. Hopefully making it more clear as to what is and isn’t allowed on track.

They’ll need to clean up the regulation which Mercedes are appealing, as it leaves a lot to interpretation, so much so decisions yesterday decided the outcome of a race season and it has zero chance of being appealed, IMO.
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Agree. I think in time, even Max would be uncomfortable with this win -- there will always be an asterisk next to this win for him.
 
sglowrider said:
Those players you mentioned arent at the level of say a Messi, Cryuff or Ronaldo, Pele or Maradona which is what level Lewis is at. Ok, Maradona is Maradona a bit loco so anything goes with him.
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Is that very relevant for the point I am making? The point is that in some cases the love for the games beat the risk of losing some pride/face on a lower level at older age, even for people who were active in the absolute top of their game.

Furthermore you can argue that - Given the shear number of footballers in history versus the shear number of F1 drivers in history the players I mention are definitely in the same top 1 percentile as Lewis in their sports, from a relative stance. But lets not go there, its besides the point..
 
The love of the game? The game is done for him. The FIA has forcibly made him hand over the torch to Max whether he wanted to or not. Max is the new face now.

The sport has treated him well, and he has also given the sport a lot. His retirement should not be a surprise, he's 36 after all.

I dunno, I just cannot see him or Toto taking Masi's orders to give Max back a place seriously next season.
 
Hamilton is not retiring you people are insane :lol:
 
I don’t think he will retire either, knowing Hamilton this will probably be the catalyst he uses to motivate himself again.

But I wouldn’t be shocked if he walked away either.
 
Hope Lewis doesn't retire, he's still the best driver on the grid and he doesn't deserve to end his F1 career with a shit show like yesterday.
 
He is not retiring, what the hell people.

And no the system isn't against him and no, the FIA doesn't hold a grudge against him either. They've been making bad decisions all year long which have went against both Hamilton and Verstappen.
 
Why would he retire? It goes against everything he stands for to just quietly walk away after an injustice like that. If we know anything about Hamilton is that he'll fight back when things go against him. If he finishes behind Max next year though, or someone new like Leclerc or Russell, then he might start to tell himself his run is over. He won't go out like this though. I fecking hope he won't.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
36 old FFS he has a good few years left in him.
Kimi is 42 , Lewis will have the top car on the track ( maybe ), I see minimum 2 more seasons out of him.
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If he wants to race in another series or another formula, he's not going to wait till he's 40 to do it.

I'm just speculating of course, but I'm surprised to see so many people think he will definitely stay. You can sense a finality about him for a couple of seasons now, even when he was talking/thinking about a new contract.

He wants to try new things:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-...F1-news-retirement-Max-Verstappen-Formula-One
 
spiriticon said:
If he wants to race in another series or another formula, he's not going to wait till he's 40 to do it.

I'm just speculating of course, but I'm surprised to see so many people think he will definitely stay. You can sense a finality about him for a couple of seasons now, even when he was talking/thinking about a new contract.

He wants to try new things:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-...F1-news-retirement-Max-Verstappen-Formula-One
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I hear what your saying, but I think he is staying for a few seasons yet.
Has for the Express, I would not even believe that date of that top of that rag :D
 
The 2 "sources" running this Hamilton retiring nonsense are The Sun and The Express :lol: .

No chance he retires after being robbed like that. Genuinely think he comes back next year more motivated than ever.
 
Any good beginners guides which explains all I need to know? I’ve genuinely enjoyed all the races I’ve seen this season (probably around 12/13 out of the 21), would just like to educate myself more on the sport so I can understand more of what’s happening.
 
ZIDANE said:
The engines are basically the exact same as now (well at start of season) and won’t be developed or changed until 2025 at least. They haven’t agreed on the future yet post 2025 but most of the talk has been about switching to sustainable fuel with these hybrid engines - they will already be using a percentage of this type of fuel by then (as per the current rules).
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Feck em I don't care anymore. I'll return when I'm convinced it's a sport again.
 
esmufc07 said:
Any good beginners guides which explains all I need to know? I’ve genuinely enjoyed all the races I’ve seen this season (probably around 12/13 out of the 21), would just like to educate myself more on the sport so I can understand more of what’s happening.
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Watch these three discussions
 
STaphouse said:
The 2 "sources" running this Hamilton retiring nonsense are The Sun and The Express :lol: .

No chance he retires after being robbed like that. Genuinely think he comes back next year more motivated than ever.
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pauldyson1uk said:
Exactly, both rags should be shut down!
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He spoke to Sky Sports guys. Same quotes, original source:
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...aterialised-as-he-talks-f1-and-when-hell-stop

Regardless, I'm just leaving it out there for people to muse upon.
 
esmufc07 said:
Any good beginners guides which explains all I need to know? I’ve genuinely enjoyed all the races I’ve seen this season (probably around 12/13 out of the 21), would just like to educate myself more on the sport so I can understand more of what’s happening.
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Cheers, added some stuff at the beginning of this thread, should help understand the new cars better.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Lets not forget its a system that has also not punished Mercedes like it literally has every other dominant team in its history.
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To be honest, the FIA have favoured Mercedes in their decisions for a long time. Even this season, every regulation change like the pitstop one has been in their favour. Yeah the last race sucked for them, but it's gone the other way plenty of times too.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
To be honest, the FIA have favoured Mercedes in their decisions for a long time. Even this season, every regulation change like the pitstop one has been in their favour. Yeah the last race sucked for them, but it's gone the other way plenty of times too.
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You either clearly don’t know anything about some of the other reg changes implemented in 2021 or the last few years, or you’re just simply trying to be a fraud and present a straw man.

Also no disrespect but how brain dead do you have to be to not understand something going your way unfairly within the bounds of the rules vs something going your way unfairly outside the bounds of the rules? The former happens to every driver in their career. If the crash had happened 2 laps earlier, the safety car let all lapped cars through, then came in the next lap to allow one racing lap, believe me id be so annoyed and upset especially because of how Lewis drive yesterday, but ultimately it would just be the shite luck of the draw. But what happened yesterday wasn’t that. It was rules created on the fly. So no comparable to Silverstone or Imola or Hungary or even fecking Spa which was a joke too. It’s even another level to that. To which I know you’ll say but it was within the rules as per the result of the protest that Masi can do what he wants etc. m To which I’ll say there has never been any precedent and that the director did not treat the entire field equally, which is a core foundational principal of sport, to which you’ll say blah blah blah. Bottom line is, this argument of “win some lose some” does not apply here. It’s not just a “can see why Hamilton fans are angry but it happens sometimes and decisions have gone against both” situation. And it really is not that difficult to comprehend that.

I particularly like how you claim to be objective but 99% of your posts will only appear when you have something negative to say about Hamilton and Mercedes. Funny that. Oh, to be honest. Sorry.

Anyway this should all be in the 2021 thread so I apologise in advance.
 
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