F1 2022 Season

I think it’s more of a bit of both tbh. How far into a gap would you expect to be to ‘claim’ track position? I’d say racing incident with a really unfortunate (or fortunate as he’s alive) knock on effect to Zhou.
It’ll go down as a racing incident but I really also do think Russell knew he had a bad start, had seen Latifi go through that gap, and really should have seen Gasly there instead of closing in on him.
 
Vettel was at fault for the other incident too. Literally crashed into Ocon(?), he was probably dsirupted by watching the other crash and wasn't concentrated enough.
I think he crashed into the back of Albon, but can’t really blame him. It was absolute carnage for anyone behind Russell and Zhou. Hard to make the “he wasn’t concentrating” argument, he clearly tried to stop.
 


State of this wanker. He's everywhere.

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I guess it makes sense now. They could figure out the grid for the drivers up front, but probably can't for the guys in the back.
 
it’s just the way it is. if you don’t complete a lap it’s not officially happened. just one of those weird f1 rules

That's not the case on any other laps, which is what feels weird. A red flag is normally the position at the point of it being shown but I get that it may be difficult when there's a load of overtaking going on - Leclerc and Hamilton would be difficult to sort for example.
 
I think it’s more of a bit of both tbh. How far into a gap would you expect to be to ‘claim’ track position? I’d say racing incident with a really unfortunate (or fortunate as he’s alive) knock on effect to Zhou.

Oh I agree, racing incident, a fair portion of the blame sits with Russell but that's just racing.
 
It’ll go down as a racing incident but I really also do think Russell knew he had a bad start, had seen Latifi go through that gap, and really should have seen Gasly there instead of closing in on him.
What else is he supposed to do though, head into the corner on the wrong racing line and potentially take someone out there instead, or just fall back further and wait to cut across, not many drivers would do that. Either way just glad Zhou is alive.
 
Bit of an oversight to leave enough room between the fence and tyres to get a car stuck

Probably to allow the tyres to go back and absorb impact much like an elastic band.

Not designed for an upside down bouncing car so that’s something to think about, thankfully the fencing protected the crowd.
 
What else is he supposed to do though, head into the corner on the wrong racing line and potentially take someone out there instead, or just fall back further and wait to cut across, not many drivers would do that. Either way just glad Zhou is alive.
He can’t just close into a driver for those reasons. Like I said, it’s a racing incident but he could and should have been more alert there.
 
Russell probably shouldn't be driving now anyway, he's obviously and understandably in a bit of a mess mentally
 
So did Hamilton? And Max took the lead? I agree with your underlying point by the way, just not with how you determine who is the “unluckiest”.

He has the worst car up front and he gained two very important positions for him, so that's why I think he lost the most. But anyway, just Alonso wasn't my point.
 
Very harsh on russell. Left the car to check on zhou. Told marshalls not to touch his car. Came back and they had loaded onto the truck and therefore russell isnt allowed. back into the gp
 
Do we think Russell could realistically have made it back around?

According to him it was just a puncture with no obvious damage, but the floor would have taken some scrapes getting back I'm sure.
 
Might make it awkward for the spectators behind.

Wonder if they could make them like those covid screens if they can get a suitable material - they're clear but the trouble would be getting a suitable material as the chain link gives a bit of "give" whereas a solid material would be an instant stop for the driver. Unless they weren't visible the barriers lining the grid looked very low too.

Anyone got video of the protesters?
Fortune yes, but also a huge credit to all those engineers who have invented incredible safety features that protected him when many other safety features failed.

Completely agree the safety now is absolutely incredible, it would be interesting if a drive to survive episode could go through all the safety features and explain them it would be really interesting
 
Do we think Russell could realistically have made it back around?

He says that he only had a flat tyre. But when he got back from checking on the Alfa driver, his car was being loaded on the flat bed lorry.
 
He can’t just close into a driver for those reasons. Like I said, it’s a racing incident but he could and should have been more alert there.
Equally Gasly could have expected a car to cut over and the gap wasn’t big enough with the coroner coming up. Bit of both still for me.
 
Very harsh on russell. Left the car to check on zhou. Told marshalls not to touch his car. Came back and they had loaded onto the truck and therefore russell isnt allowed. back into the gp

Moral of the story: Mind your own business?
 
Very harsh on russell. Left the car to check on zhou. Told marshalls not to touch his car. Came back and they had loaded onto the truck and therefore russell isnt allowed. back into the gp

I mean...you can tell the marshalls all you want but they will follow whatever their procedures are. I see why Russell would get out the car but at the same time there are marshalls and stewards there for a reason.
 
Probably to allow the tyres to go back and absorb impact much like an elastic band.

Not designed for an upside down bouncing car so that’s something to think about, thankfully the fencing protected the crowd.
Aren't this type of things supposed to be designed for the worst case scenario? Seems like an oversight which they'll have to make some updates for next year.
 
Moral of the story: Mind your own business?

and people were saying he’s better than hamilton. just look at the difference in finesse in how they send people into the barriers at this grand old circuit.