F1 2020 Season

[Leg-End]

Oh really? I didn't hear that.

Team told him he could do what he did, so that’s on them.

In Q2 he got unlucky with the red flag that again would have been avoided had they let him do one more lap on the mediums as he requested.

It’s like a series of unfortunate events today for Hamilton which adds up to....3rd. It’s not a big deal at all.

 

[Hephaestus]

Oh really? I didn't hear that.

Yeah, they played the team radio at some point, think it was just before the start of the race. Read elsewhere that it was a race specific rule so Mercedes hadn't seen it was banned here and thought it was ok as it usually is, guess because it's a long pitlane exit they had that rule.

 

[Tiber]

What was up with Williams suddenly going for fastest lap. That seemed rather unlikely

 

[ArmchairCritic]

Team told him he could do what he did, so that’s on them.

In Q2 he got unlucky with the red flag that again would have been avoided had they let him do one more lap on the mediums as he requested.

It’s like a series of unfortunate events today for Hamilton which adds up to....3rd. It’s not a big deal at all.

As long as Lewis doesn't land himself 2 penalty points in the next 4 races. Mercedes are a phenomenal team but their operational performance needs some serious work. How they manage to put themselves in these circumstances is beyond me.

 

[keithsingleton]

Team told him he could do what he did, so that’s on them.

In Q2 he got unlucky with the red flag that again would have been avoided had they let him do one more lap on the mediums as he requested.

It’s like a series of unfortunate events today for Hamilton which adds up to....3rd. It’s not a big deal at all.

Yeah very much agree. Cream will be back to the top at Nurburgring

 

[Hephaestus]

What was up with Williams suddenly going for fastest lap. That seemed rather unlikely

He was 3 tenths off Bottas' best apparently, matched Verstappen's attempt, those hard tyres were struggling so much by that point I can understand them giving it a try.

As long as Lewis doesn't land himself 2 penalty points in the next 4 races. Mercedes are a phenomenal team but their operational performance needs some serious work. How they manage to put themselves in these circumstances is beyond me.

Yeah, they've made 4 big mistakes this year not pitting under the safety car in Austria, not pitting when Hamilton had a 40 second gap at Silverstone, not spotting the pitlane closure in Monza and now this. Guess because they still won most of those races it doesn't get talked about as much.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

Yeah, they've made 4 big mistakes this year not pitting under the safety car in Austria, not pitting when Hamilton had a 40 second gap at Silverstone, not spotting the pitlane closure in Monza and now this. Guess because they still won most of those races it doesn't get talked about as much.

Also causing most of his penalty points!

 

[Hephaestus]

Also causing most of his penalty points!

Yeah. He's now got 4 races to get through without any kind of incident before he loses the two from last year's Brazilian GP.

 

[Kazi]

Is Brundle not commentating anymore?

 

[arthurka]

What's wrong with Ferrari? They are well non existent this season. Someone is getting fired at Maranello.

 

[stu_1992]

Is Brundle not commentating anymore?

Wasn't doing this race. Think he's back for the next. He's taken one or two off most seasons for the last few years. Think he usually doesn't bother with Socchi and I can't blame him too much.

 

[Redplane]

What's wrong with Ferrari? They are well non existent this season. Someone is getting fired at Maranello.

Did you just start watching this season?

 

[arthurka]

Did you just start watching this season?

No not really. But haven't followed it much until today. First while race I watched. I was a bit shocked

 

[Redplane]

No not really. But haven't followed it much until today. First while race I watched. I was a bit shocked

Gotcha.

Tldr; Ferrari was penalized for illegal modifications after last season - affected engine performance. Ferrari never recovered from that this season because the cars didn't change much and wont until 22 with the current rules so its likely they ll be fecked until then.

 

[arthurka]

Gotcha.

Tldr; Ferrari was penalized for illegal modifications after last season - affected engine performance. Ferrari never recovered from that this season because the cars didn't change much and wont until 22 with the current rules so its likely they ll be fecked until then.

They are shocking really

 

[Gringo]

Just looking at the results. Albon 10th, behind both AlphaTauri's, what happened ?

 

[Hephaestus]

Just looking at the results. Albon 10th, behind both AlphaTauri's, what happened ?

He started 15th due to a penalty and they pitted him under the safety car at the start which just meant he was stuck in traffic, Norris and Russell tried the same thing and it was a bad call for them as well. He's also not very good...

Hamilton's 2 penalty points have been removed, replaced with a fine for Mercedes instead as they were the ones who told him it was ok. Right call but the stewarding this weekend has been a joke, between this farce, Leclerc not getting a penalty for wiping out Stroll and drivers getting penalties for running over a kerb once...

 

[ArmchairCritic]

He started 15th due to a penalty and they pitted him under the safety car at the start which just meant he was stuck in traffic, Norris and Russell tried the same thing and it was a bad call for them as well. He's also not very good...

Hamilton's 2 penalty points have been removed, replaced with a fine for Mercedes instead as they were the ones who told him it was ok. Right call but the stewarding this weekend has been a joke, between this farce, Leclerc not getting a penalty for wiping out Stroll and drivers getting penalties for running over a kerb once...

They really do just make it up as they go along . I think on reflection that Lewis will feel he probably only lost 3 points with the penalty, the race was mostly lost in Q2.

 

[Hephaestus]

They really do just make it up as they go along . I think on reflection that Lewis will feel he probably only lost 3 points with the penalty, the race was mostly lost in Q2.

They really do. They're even claiming that it was because of "new information" despite having talked to Mercedes/Toto before the race started and the radio message being broadcast on TV.

There's a claim elsewhere online that the Finish commentary team knew about the penalty 20 minutes before it was announced:
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/216170-mika-salo-leaking-stewarding-decisions-to-finnish-media/

Wonder if the sudden reversal is a result of this and the race directors wanting to move on quickly, cos this looks suspicious as feck.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Lewis has had the 2 point rescinded and Mercedes have a fine instead.

 

[elmo]

That's dumb, they ruined his race for him.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Rank	Driver	Number	Team	Grid	Pits	Fastest Lap	Race Time	Points
1	Valtteri Bottas	77	Mercedes	3	1	fastest overall lap 1:37.030	1:34:00.364	26
2	Max Verstappen	33	Red Bull	2	1	1:37.332	7.729 behind	18
3	Lewis Hamilton	44	Mercedes	1	1	1:38.075	22.729 behind	15
4	Sergio Perez	11	Racing Point	4	1	1:38.141	30.558 behind	12
5	Daniel Ricciardo	3	Renault	5	1	1:37.886	52.065 behind	10
6	Charles Leclerc	16	Ferrari	10	1	1:39.053	1:02.186 behind	8
7	Esteban Ocon	31	Renault	7	1	1:39.216	1:08.006 behind	6
8	Daniil Kvyat	26	AlphaTauri	11	1	1:39.133	1:08.740 behind	4
9	Pierre Gasly	10	AlphaTauri	9	2	1:37.231	1:29.766 behind	2
10	Alexander Albon	23	Red Bull	15	2	1:38.377	1:37.860 behind	1
11	Antonio Giovinazzi	99	Alfa Romeo	17	1	1:39.766	1 lap behind	0
12	Kevin Magnussen	20	Haas	18	1	1:40.380	1 lap behind	0
13	Sebastian Vettel	5	Ferrari	14	1	1:39.588	1 lap behind	0
14	Kimi Raikkonen	7	Alfa Romeo	19	1	1:38.858	1 lap behind	0
15	Lando Norris	4	McLaren	8	2	1:37.377	1 lap behind	0
16	Nicholas Latifi	6	Williams	20	1	1:41.044	1 lap behind	0
17	Romain Grosjean	8	Haas	16	2	1:39.614	1 lap behind	0
18	George Russell	63	Williams	13	3	1:37.352	1 lap behind	0
not classified	Lance Stroll	18	Racing Point	12	0	not available-	did not finish	0
not classified	Carlos Sainz Jnr	55	McLaren	66	0	not available-	did not finish	0

 

[pauldyson1uk]

1	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes		205
2	Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes		161
3	Max Verstappen	Red Bull		128
4	Lando Norris	McLaren		65
5	Alexander Albon	Red Bull		64
6	Daniel Ricciardo	Renault		63
7	Charles Leclerc	Ferrari		57
8	Lance Stroll	Racing Point		57
9	Sergio Perez	Racing Point		56
10	Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri		45
11	Carlos Sainz Jr.	McLaren		41
12	Esteban Ocon	Renault		36
13	Sebastian Vettel	Ferrari		17
14	Daniil Kvyat	AlphaTauri		14
15	Nico Hulkenberg	Racing Point		6
16	Kimi Raikkonen	Alfa Romeo		2
17	Antonio Giovinazzi	Alfa Romeo		2
18	Kevin Magnussen	Haas		1
19	Nicholas Latifi	Williams		0
20	George Russell	Williams		0
21	Romain Grosjean	Haas		0

 

[Buster15]

Lewis has had the 2 point rescinded and Mercedes have a fine instead.

And quite right too.
I thought that Lewis took the time penalty reasonably maturely all things considered.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

	Team	Wins	Points
1	Mercedes	8	366
2	Red Bull	1	192
3	McLaren	0	106
4	Racing Point	0	104
5	Renault	0	99
6	Ferrari	0	74
7	AlphaTauri	1	59
8	Alfa Romeo	0	4
9	Haas	0	1
10	Williams	0

 

[keithsingleton]

Lewis has had the 2 point rescinded and Mercedes have a fine instead.

Phew.....thank feck for that

 

[psychdelicblues]

 

[Evans999]

Honda will no longer make power units at the end of the 2021 season, Renault will be licking their lips. Red Bull and Alpha Tauri will have to pay whatever their price is, Merc and Ferrari won't supply them and I can't see them developing their own.

 

[hp88]

Honda will no longer make power units at the end of the 2021 season, Renault will be licking their lips. Red Bull and Alpha Tauri will have to pay whatever their price is, Merc and Ferrari won't supply them and I can't see them developing their own.

Guess Christian will have to give Cyril a call

 

[stu_1992]

Was there rumors of another engine manufacturer coming in for 2022? I feel like I vaguely remember hearing this at one point but it seems to have gone quiet now. If that were to happen it would soften the blow of Honda leaving. It's a shame to see them go honestly.

 

[altodevil]

Verstappen noping out of there.

 

[elmo]

Honda will no longer make power units at the end of the 2021 season, Renault will be licking their lips. Red Bull and Alpha Tauri will have to pay whatever their price is, Merc and Ferrari won't supply them and I can't see them developing their own.

Didn't they just come back in?

Red Bull has eggs on their face considering how much they kept shitting on Renault when they switched over to Honda

 

[11101]

Didn't they just come back in?

Red Bull has eggs on their face considering how much they kept shitting on Renault when they switched over to Honda

2015. They've been in and out of F1 for decades and have historically always left when the economy tanks.

 

[F-Red]

It's a big task for Domenicali now. Given his VAG links, he's got a great chance of getting an engine manufacturer into that camp. I think the Cosworth discussion will also come up soon.

As shown by Honda's statement, F1 isn't in line with where the car industry is heading and compared to the last time they left, this is driven more by environmental strategy than economic. I also don't think Renault will essentially be driven to make customer engines when they're making steps forwards themselves.

What is has highlighted that the next generation engine rules and regulations needs to be driven by the sport and not the manufacturers, as essentially it makes new entrants to the market extremely difficult (Look at LMP1 in endurance racing as a great example). F1 is at a cross roads in terms of whether it continues down a path of the combustion engine, or whether it looks to evolve to bring relevancy to those with financial backing for a long term future.

 

[elmo]

It's a big task for Domenicali now. Given his VAG links, he's got a great chance of getting an engine manufacturer into that camp. I think the Cosworth discussion will also come up soon.

As shown by Honda's statement, F1 isn't in line with where the car industry is heading and compared to the last time they left, this is driven more by environmental strategy than economic. I also don't think Renault will essentially be driven to make customer engines when they're making steps forwards themselves.

What is has highlighted that the next generation engine rules and regulations needs to be driven by the sport and not the manufacturers, as essentially it makes new entrants to the market extremely difficult (Look at LMP1 in endurance racing as a great example). F1 is at a cross roads in terms of whether it continues down a path of the combustion engine, or whether it looks to evolve to bring relevancy to those with financial backing for a long term future.

Renault would have to sell the exact same engine as what they're using to customers due to the regulations.
They're not going to refuse money from selling engines when it's their biggest chance to recoup money from their F1 investments.

 

[F-Red]

Renault would have to sell the exact same engine as what they're using to customers due to the regulations.
They're not going to refuse money from selling engines when it's their biggest chance to recoup money from their F1 investments.

They don't benefit from selling engines as they sell next to or close to cost due to the price cap that is on place on engines. Abiteboul has said that having no customers is a welcomed position for them as they can concentrate on their own performance, and the results this season would suggest that there is some value in his statement.

 

[Ubik]

The engine regs are insanely expensive to develop for, and any new entrant (as with Honda) would be years behind the development curve. Just can't see anyone else entering at this stage, rather than waiting for 2026.

It's sad to see them go and highlights the precarious position the sport is currently in, just glad McLaren got out when they did.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Having less engines is actually a good thing really, much better all being similar power than just having an easy overtake because they're pushing 100hp more. It'll make development on the actual chassis and aero even more important.

Shame for Honda though, they went through a lot of embarrasement with the early Mclaren years, now they've started to get it sorted with Red Bull and now they're pulling out again. Odd.

Horner must be banging his head against the wall

 

[sun_tzu]

They don't benefit from selling engines as they sell next to or close to cost due to the price cap that is on place on engines. Abiteboul has said that having no customers is a welcomed position for them as they can concentrate on their own performance, and the results this season would suggest that there is some value in his statement.

that wont be an option if there isnt a new engine manufacturer - I believe Renault have to supply

The news leaves Red Bull and AlphaTauri without an engine constructor for the 2022 season and beyond but they will not go without.

The two options on the table for Red Bull are to potentially attract a new manufacturer to Formula 1 and, failing that, the regulations state that Renault, the constructor with the lowest numbers of customers, would have to supply Red Bull with power units.

Following the conclusion of the 2020 season, Renault will be without a customer team as McLaren will be powered by Mercedes again in 2021.

Renault and Red Bull have, of course, had a previous working relationship as Renault powered Red Bull’s cars from 2007 to the end of the 2018 season.

The partnership saw Red Bull four consecutive World Championship title doubles from 2010 to 2013 but the relationship notably soured when the wins and titles dried up before Red Bull jumped ship to Honda.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-to-leave-formula-1/

unless redbull could pull off somethng with porsche / VW (seems a bit of a long shot to me given the economic uncertainty around F1)

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/69526/-volkswagen-is-ready-to-enter-f1-as-a-partner-of-red-bull-.html

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Red Bull is totally fecked! Honda's engines were better than Renault's and it'll be a step down both in performance and in relationship for them. Plus they won't get a say in design anymore.