Unless Stroll is blind, he would have seen Gasly would be up to him when he was rejoining.
F1 2019 season
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It's nice to have an all time great breaking in the next generation.
He could felt that Gasly on the brake like he did with Vettel, who knows anyway.
Of course not but he was pushed off the track, you can’t deny that. It’s a risky move for sure, Leclerc could have kept it by giving the space though.
Where did I say I believe it’s the right call? I haven’t even seen a black and white flag used in years, usually it’s a 5 second penalty. When someone has a big accident because of moving in the braking zone, which lets be honest has come back onto the scene with Max and Charles, then people will see why it’s dangerous.
Such a compelling race. Fantastic stuff from both Leclerc and Hamilton. Leclerc was a bit naughty, maybe should've been penalised, don't really care - was still worth his win.
On a day when Ferrari wins at Monza and the headlines are all for Leclerc, I’m forced to ask: what’s happening to Vettel? Seriously, how and why does he look like he’s on a rapid decline?
If verstappen didn’t get penalised for the movement on Leclerc then that was never a penalty either. They set the precedent pretty early with that.
Leclerc had the inside lane for a 1 car chicane. Lewis knew it would be risky trying it.
Leclerc had the inside lane for a 1 car chicane. Lewis knew it would be risky trying it.
I disagree. Hamilton went for a move when it was very difficult to pull off with a very fast car in front and on braking with very little space on the outside. Fair play trying as he is a world class driver but I don't see how Leclerec defending him actually was wrong.
You coule argue it was unfair but I feel if you try something a risky overtake there are chances that you may get squeezed out. It was not even as bad as Max had done to Leclerec and the stewards didn't even warn Max then, so it's funny people complaining that Leclerec was lucky to not get a pen for this incident.
He’s not been his best since Danny pasted him at Red Bull. Let’s be honest Kimi wasn’t a real challenge at Ferrari, Leclerc has shown his talent level.
The issue is moving under braking, if someone is alongside you, it’s so dangerous to do it. I think it was too much but it’s in the past now.
Max vs Leclerc is the future and they will collide more than once again for sure. It’s exciting and at least we have fast talents in the next generation of champions.
What ever we all think about if it was a pen or not , we can all agree that Leclerc is a future WC and he will be around for a long time.
Not sure yet if he will be breaking record in the way Lewis has done , Lewis could be around for a few more season yet.
We are I think in sort of a transition period , Lewis , Seb and a few other are nearing the end and the younger drivers are taking over, exciting years to come.
Not sure yet if he will be breaking record in the way Lewis has done , Lewis could be around for a few more season yet.
We are I think in sort of a transition period , Lewis , Seb and a few other are nearing the end and the younger drivers are taking over, exciting years to come.
The list of future WCs is increasing.
Max, Leclerc, Norris, Stroll.
Tbf, I can see Lewis continue to race for many years yet. All depends on him. He's boss-man.
Max, Leclerc, Norris, Stroll.
Tbf, I can see Lewis continue to race for many years yet. All depends on him. He's boss-man.
Italian GP Result: Top 10
1. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
2. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
3. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
4. Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
5. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
6. Alexander Albon, Red Bull
7. Sergio Perez, Racing Point
8. Max Verstappen, Red Bull
9. Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo
10. Lando Norris, McLaren
Another good race for Albon.
Singapore next.
1. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
2. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
3. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
4. Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
5. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
6. Alexander Albon, Red Bull
7. Sergio Perez, Racing Point
8. Max Verstappen, Red Bull
9. Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo
10. Lando Norris, McLaren
Another good race for Albon.
Singapore next.
Lewis will want to get Sch's record for WC wins , then I think he will call it a day.
He was winning the title race last year and had a golden opportunity to extend it but binned it at his home race and that destroyed him. Hasn't been able to stop making errors since. Now Leclerc has come into Ferrari and is doing what Ricciardo did at Red Bull, he knows last year was his last chance to win at Ferrari, Lewis and Leclerc will see to that.
Think Lewis will match Schumacher WDC and race win record next season. Good time retire to just before the 2021 rule change ?
Leclerc is generational, F1 fans will be in for a treat with Charles and Max battling it out for years to come.
Vettel is finished, Ferrari should be ruthless and let him leave and get Ricciardo in. Or Max if possible
Vettel is finished, Ferrari should be ruthless and let him leave and get Ricciardo in. Or Max if possible
Win the 8th and he will retire. 2021 rule change wont make Merc any weaker.
Leclerc overtaken Vettel in the WDC. Ouch
I’m glad there was no penalty, as long as it’s consistent. I want Hamilton to win, but they have a habit of over complicating rules.
I just hope they now remain consistent, Hamilton himself has now said it's good to know what you can get away with. That's exactly what i would have said.
I went on the BBC Cricket page directly to see the cricket score and avoid the F1 result and there was still a link to the F1 result. Bummer. Its not quite the same watching highlights knowing who will win.
It was a really enjoyable race between Charles and Lewis, lap after lap.
But. I have to say that Charles Leclerc was incredibly fortunate to get away with cutting that chicane and not have to give the position up.
Especially when he had been black and white flagged.
However, even if he had I still feel that he would have passed Hamilton because of his excellent speed and with DRS.
Good race though.
No chance
I think that it was initially down to the fact that Hamilton was too good and simply relentless followed by the pace and skill of Leclerc.
I am sorry to say that he looks like a broken man.
A shadow of what he has been and maybe he is now a has been.
Vettel now in 5th place which in a Ferrari isn't good enough.
He can't stop making mistakes can he. And the mistakes he is making are costing him. Leclerc isnt bombproof but he seems to be getting away with the errors. Vettel seems at his best when he has a weaker teammate and the run of the green from the team.
But on balance he has been the 5th best driver of the big 5 this season.
Vettel is clearly done. Amazing how quickly he fell. Hamilton, leclerc and verstappen for the next few years until Hamilton retires. If the cars equal out it will be a blast.
Just to make Seb's weekend even worse , he gets 3 points on his superlicence, Vettel is now on nine for the last 12-month period, three away from an automatic one-race suspension. The next points to be dropped - two, accrued at last year's US GP - do not expire from his licence until October 19, meaning Vettel has to navigate the next three grands prix without collecting three more points.
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What?
The guys is a clown and shouldn't even be in F1. The only reason he sill has gig is because Dad bought a team.
He should be at least 2nd best drive if not the best in big 5.
He needs a car that's perfectly suited to him for him to do his best.
And faster than everyone else on the track.
Been waiting for this for years. Still hasn't happened.
There is a view that Ferrari are often given a more lenient judgement than the other teams.
Given the three incidents involving Leclerc - moving while breaking, leaving less than a car width for Hamilton and cutting the chicane plus what feels like a very lenient penalty for Vettel, that view gains strength.
What?
The guys is a clown and shouldn't even be in F1. The only reason he sill has gig is because Dad bought a team.
Obviously my jokes are not transparent enough. At least you laughed
Vettel since Germany last year has looked a broken man. Devoid of all confidence. I don’t know if he will be able to regain his form ever. Maybe not in the pressure cooker at Ferrari. A change to a team like McLaren or Renault might have done him some good. It’s a shame. I still think he was a great driver. But in a not so dominant Ferrari his lack of being truly world class shown through.
Verstappen will not leave Red Bill next year. But his sort of cnutish drive to be the best is what Ferrari needs. Saw a bit of it from Leclerc on Sunday. The future is exciting with those two.
Verstappen will not leave Red Bill next year. But his sort of cnutish drive to be the best is what Ferrari needs. Saw a bit of it from Leclerc on Sunday. The future is exciting with those two.
You're kidding yourself if you think a 4x wdc is not world class. His win in 2008 at Monza, those throughout 2009 and the come from behind victory in 2010 show that he's clearly a world class driver.
In all honesty, he needs a break to re charge. He's been racing in F1 since he was 19 years old. The demands and stress that puts on your body is not good for anybody. Lets not forget its only been recently that drivers have been picked up more frequently at 18/19 to race in f1. Previously it was 22-24 when you'd get a gig and proven yourself as a top line driver.
The other argument is that he's spent the last 5 years trying to drag performance out of Ferrari. Its all well and good when you're the dominant car, but even Schumacher would have argued that the last two years at Ferrari when he wasn't the dominant force was draining.