F1 2017 Season
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Weird championship this has been, it is has been such a close fight but Vettel and Hamilton have spent very little time fighting each other on track and it's never felt like they've been very close for too long in the standings either. These two races should have been Vettel slam-dunks with Hamilton finishing 4th at best which would have put Vettel 23 points clear!
A bit of misfortune on Vettel's side but two strange incidents too and the Stroll one could cost him for the next race as well. Hamilton has never finished a season without a DNF though, so plenty to play for. For the next races I expect Merc to thrive in Suzuka with lower temps but struggle in Brazil and Mexico. Austin and Abu Dhabi are 50-50.
A bit of misfortune on Vettel's side but two strange incidents too and the Stroll one could cost him for the next race as well. Hamilton has never finished a season without a DNF though, so plenty to play for. For the next races I expect Merc to thrive in Suzuka with lower temps but struggle in Brazil and Mexico. Austin and Abu Dhabi are 50-50.
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Do you think there may have been damage to part requiring grid penalties?
That's the suggestion (Gearbox), we'll know in the next few days for sure. Also a bit worrying for Seb that his new engine was overheating following Ricciardo so much that he had to back off massively.
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Maybe he was just low on fuel and that is why he was involved with stroll?
The cynic in me suggests that Vettel knows he won't win the title so he's done this to use as a very convenient excuse when he has to start at the back again next race.
I thought he lost time , due to his tyres giving out, did not hear about an engine overheat problem
I'm basing it on the radio message from Ferrari with 2 laps or so left where they said 'Engine is fine, attack now', which suggests he had to manage something with the engine but he did continue to drop back so it could have been fuel, tyres or engine temps.
According to AMuS Vettel was right on the limit with fuel. Plus he'd taken a lot out of the tyres catching Ricciardo.
Winners like Vettel don't have that mentality
He's not really a 'winner' though.
Whenever he doesn't have the absolute perfect conditions for him and only him he takes his ball and goes home.
(I realise it sounds ridiculous given he's won 4 WDC but he employs the tactics of a loser)
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Another penalty for Vettel?
Not sure I agree with that. I get a sense of what you are saying but I feel that's just at the moment with adrenaline running. Buts he's been further behind and come back, I believe. That doesn't just happen. Don't like him for various reasons but I still believe he is top 3 and has a strong winning mentality.
really ? for what?
Ridiculous suggestion.
Interesting race!
Max controlled it, Lewis played his 2nd get out of jail card. Vettel was impressive in his fight back, shame he couldn’t attack Danny/Lewis in the last 10.
Still game on for the Championship, although Hamilton is playing it pretty safe & Seb starting to show some cracks. That Ferrari engine upgrade looks pretty decent, Mercedes have to respond.
Have a feeling that one of the Red Bulls will have something to do with where the trophy ends up...
Max controlled it, Lewis played his 2nd get out of jail card. Vettel was impressive in his fight back, shame he couldn’t attack Danny/Lewis in the last 10.
Still game on for the Championship, although Hamilton is playing it pretty safe & Seb starting to show some cracks. That Ferrari engine upgrade looks pretty decent, Mercedes have to respond.
Have a feeling that one of the Red Bulls will have something to do with where the trophy ends up...
His gearbox is probably damaged after what happened with Stroll.
He should at least get a penalty for each of the two things he definitely did wrong and I believe he caused the accident but the steering wheel and the lift he got back but he wont, yet people say Hamilton gets the rub of the green
Vettel doesn't have a gearbox penalty after all. Ferrari were able to fix it.
Suzuka should favour Mercedes. The circuit is very similar to Silverstone and Spa, plus the temperatures will be much lower than they were in Malaysia.
Suzuka should favour Mercedes. The circuit is very similar to Silverstone and Spa, plus the temperatures will be much lower than they were in Malaysia.
Thanks god. It would have been too much, with the title in the bag for Hamilton.
Really?He should at least get a penalty for each of the two things he definitely did wrong and I believe he caused the accident but the steering wheel and the lift he got back but he wont, yet people say Hamilton gets the rub of the green
Yeah, he should get a penalty for at least these two things, let's also throw other things in there that he didn't do
Can people be more biased than this? The incident wasn't his fault + there's only a reprimand for the lift, he can't actually get a penalty.
And check again from 22" in the video below, you'll see that he didn't cause the accident. It's a view from the car that was behind them.
People need to stop watching sky sports f1.
For all Americans....NBC to stop F1 coverage after this season.....ESPN will take over next year...All 21 races will be broadcast on ESPN, ESPN2 or ABC.
Yeah, he should get a penalty for at least these two things, let's also throw other things in there that he didn't do
Can people be more biased than this? The incident wasn't his fault + there's only a reprimand for the lift, he can't actually get a penalty.
And check again from 22" in the video below, you'll see that he didn't cause the accident. It's a view from the car that was behind them.
People need to stop watching sky sports f1.
So you’re telling us he didn’t take his steering wheel and get a lift back on a car, I must have dreamed that
FFS, some of you are acting like those bellends who sit at home watching golf, see a foul and call in to the PGA to report it.....he did nothing wrong...got a lift back to the paddock...no harm, no foul.
apparently new footage the was not available to the stewards.
What do you make of it ?
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...-sebastian-vettel-lance-stroll-crash-released
What do you make of it ?
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...-sebastian-vettel-lance-stroll-crash-released
Lewis is winning the title for sure. Not need for Seb to get another penalty.
I like it when drivers get a lift - lets not sanitise the sport.
I agree. Although is it dangerous? What happens if they slip off
Can't view here. I'll check YouTube. The first angle I saw made it look bad for stroll.
Edit. Everything I see on YouTube is the angle I saw race day. In slomo it does look like Vettel starts to cut him off a little. Didn't catch that earlier. Weird one.
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An iconic image from F1 history.
BAN HIM!!!!
ffs.
This one is fairly clear cut Stroll did nothing wrong.
Sure is iconic.
An iconic image from F1 history.
BAN HIM!!!!
ffs.
Yeah, just edited my post. I hadn't watched in slow motion. Would love to see this new angle.
An iconic image from F1 history.
BAN HIM!!!!
ffs.
Yep, memorising the dial settings and going straight to his engineers apparemtly.
Driving a car around a corner at 200mph is also dangerous..I agree. Although is it dangerous? What happens if they slip off
Well yeah.Driving a car around a corner at 200mph is also dangerous..
I don't think that makes it Vettel's fault really. While from Vettel's on-board it seems that Stroll has veered into him, and from Stroll's it shows that he hasn't, watching from Grosjean's car you can see that Stroll takes a much wider line through the corner than both Grosjean and Vettel. It seems to me that both Stroll and Vettel were just caught a little bit unaware of what the other was doing and had a coming together.
Looking at the footage from Grosjean's car, he (Grosjean) speeds up, relative to Stroll and (maybe) Stroll expects him to come up along his left side. To me it looks like Stroll give Grosjean room to do just that. Vettel would not have seen the fast approaching Grosjean and followed the curve of the corner and BANG!
Glad there was no penalty as I don't think anyone was being particularly stupid. I guess after 2 hours of eye popping speeds and concentration levels, it's understandable that the drivers are a little bit switched off on the cool down lap.
Glad there was no penalty as I don't think anyone was being particularly stupid. I guess after 2 hours of eye popping speeds and concentration levels, it's understandable that the drivers are a little bit switched off on the cool down lap.