Existence of God ~ Which is more rational ~ Atheism or Belief in God

[nickm]

For the last time. You have made assertions about things you believe to exist. The onus is therefore on you to prove existence since you insist they are rational things to believe in. As I must have said a hundred times you can’t use failure to prove the non-existance of the non-existant as proof of existence. That way lies insanity.

I believe that there is a small fat man called Nigel who lives on the moon and he is in fact God. Since I can’t prove that this isn’t so, it must be true. I have now proven that God is in fact a small fat man called Nigel who lives on the moon. Taadddaaaahhhhhh!

Surely even you can see the logical flaw in such an argument

Evidence, for the King, is what helps support a pre-existing belief. It is not the thing that 'causes' the belief in the first place. This means any evidence will be tweaked, shoehorned and fitted into the pre-existing belief structure, it will never be used to falsify the belief in the first place.

Take astrology: it may be that a reading from the stars predicts a person's personality. But what about readings that DON'T predict a person's personality? A pre-existing belief in astrology means the second data are disregarded, and that is deeply dishonest when it comes to establishing the objective truth of something.

 

[nickm]

I tried something similar myself tonight with beer. A whole six pack disappeared as if by magic. I really think I should start a beer based religion.

Praise the lord!

(Does this religion do free drinks by any chance?)

And what is the divine guidance on unclean foods like Vodka Redbull? Do we get to burn any heretics at all?

 

[Wibble]

Praise the lord!

(Does this religion do free drinks by any chance?)

And what is the divine guidance on unclean foods like Vodka Redbull? Do we get to burn any heretics at all?

Hmmmm. I might try the bread and fish thing with beer. If it works I will be rich. Erm, I mean revered. Or something.

And Vodka Redbull is an abomination in the eyes of the rightous. Persecute the blasphemer (unless they bring an appropriate offering, such as a six pack of quality beer).

And after sufficient worship you can burn what you like. If you are in the states you can justify it under whichever amendment means you have religious freedom to act as you like. Elswhere you will have to use your inebriation as mitigating circumstance.

And where will milk and pork (not to mention foreskins and tiddlywinks) fit into the scheme of things?

I need to think this through. Although 40 days and nights in a desert seem a bit excessive.

 

[giggzy]

There is...and he's made of Mozzarella - Giggzy told me

Aye.

He told me not to follow false prophets such as Wibbs and NicKm, and their beer drinking religion.

He could beat the crap out of that elephant god aka Ganesh. Proof he's the one true God......

 

[Wibble]

Aye.

He told me not to follow false prophets such as Wibbs and NicKm, and their beer drinking religion.

He could beat the crap out of that elephant god aka Ganesh. Proof he's the one true God......

Follow the one true beer religion. Persecute all others.

Especially Ganesh, who is a lactose intolerant deity who, as a Libran, is likely to have a turn for the better financally this month, He/she will also meet the tall dark deity of there dreams in the near future and have 3 gorgeous minor deities. Thursday is a good day to buy lottery tickets and your lucky number this month is 42

 

[spinoza]

And Guinness stout is good for you.

 

[giggzy]

Follow the one true beer religion. Persecute all others.

Especially Ganesh, who is a lactose intolerant deity who, as a Libran, is likely to have a turn for the better financally this month, He/she will also meet the tall dark deity of there dreams in the near future and have 3 gorgeous minor deities. Thursday is a good day to buy lottery tickets and your lucky number this month is 42

God forbids me to buy lottery tickets... punishment for those who do, is living the rest of your life in Hell aka Liverpool.

BTW The one true, mozzeralla God, allows the use of cow mozzeralla on pizza.

 

[nickm]

And where will milk and pork (not to mention foreskins and tiddlywinks) fit into the scheme of things?

I need to think this through. Although 40 days and nights in a desert seem a bit excessive.

Well, pork scratchings sound good to me, and milk of magnesia is a well-known aid to hangovers. As for foreskins and tiddlywinks, well miracles can happen (must tell you about this chap, his todger and the 10p pieces - old-style 10ps too). There's probably a parable in there somewhere.

And I wouldn't worry about a consistent theology too much, nobody else does.

 

[Plechazunga]

I've just been grilled for an hour about Evolution by a Japanese customer who's a creationist. I'm now no longer sure I exist.

 

[nickm]

I've just been grilled for an hour about Evolution by a Japanese customer who's a creationist. I'm now no longer sure I exist.

What you need is a large glass of life-affirming, spiritually-uplifting beer...

 

[Wibble]

I've just been grilled for an hour about Evolution by a Japanese customer who's a creationist. I'm now no longer sure I exist.

Wouldn't it be easier to assume that your Japanese customer doesn't exist? If he didn't exist then he couldn't have told you anything and your concerns are no more. QED

(Logic copyright The King)

 

[Plechazunga]

Yeah, but for him not to exist I'd have to prove he doesn't exist, which I can't do. Therefore he exists.

Or at least that's what it says in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

 

[Wibble]

Yeah, but for him not to exist I'd have to prove he doesn't exist, which I can't do. Therefore he exists.

Or at least that's what it says in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

I didn't know that The King was from Milwaukee. Or is it just the same bizarre logic that seems to repeat in religious types?

Now that I am the Big Poobah of Beerism I give you divine authority to assume that the Japanese chap doesn't exist.

BTW I looked in the fridge this morning and ALL THE BEER HAD VANISHED!

I worshiped the fridge for a while but when it became obvious that we were both bored I gave it a rest. I feel that I might have to worship at the alter in the bottle shop before the sacred hour arrives (hereafter known as beer o'clock).

 

[nickm]

I don't think the King is real at all, I am sure he is some computer programmer's artificial intelligence experiment, a kind of web spambot. (Still needs a bit of work, mind.)

 

[nickm]

BTW I looked in the fridge this morning and ALL THE BEER HAD VANISHED!

Proof, if ever one was needed, that Satan is alive and well.

 

[Wibble]

Proof, if ever one was needed, that Satan is alive and well.

And the dark one gave me a rather nasty headache as well. I have defeated him tonight though by drinking everything alcoholic in the house apart from my wife's perfume and some strange bottle marked "holy spirit".

 

[spinoza]

Infidels

Guinness is the only true religion

 

[The King]

Great..a bunch of fecking fools, as expected. I have provided enough prove of even a video and yet there is not even a single bit of objectivity. Goes quite to show the level of immaturity and ignorance among some posters here.

You dont have a single ounce of proff that the phenomenon is a fake. Not one single scientist has come forth to dispell this as mas hysteria with a solid explanation. If there is, then i would like to see it posted here. The shit of capilary is just utter nonsense. Its really funny, how some dickheads here can believe such things.

Look at it this way, i dont gain anything by proving God exists. This is a public board. I gain virtually nothing to prove anything. And if i am saying that i had personally tried it, with video evidence, extensive press coverage and millions of accounts, then the least a scientific "mind" would do is maybe give a benefit of the doubt becos there are more evidences to suggest it happened vs evidence it did not.

But guess the donkeys on here who seem to think they are great minds are but mere jocks. You have no data, explanation, or argument, just the same old boring lines..hysteria, bollocks etc etc...even an ass could do better than that, sadly some posters here even lack that level of intellect.

Anyway, the milk drinking incident was explained as a Great soul being born to rid the world of evil. It did not really mean that GOD was drinking milk. And i think, some of you have stepped over the line here and insulting God(if he did exist) will have its reprecussions. Wish you lot good luck, and mind you ....prob one day, you would realise that perhaps you could have been wrong. And you prob would not be laughing then.

 

[The King]

Evidence, for the King, is what helps support a pre-existing belief. It is not the thing that 'causes' the belief in the first place. This means any evidence will be tweaked, shoehorned and fitted into the pre-existing belief structure, it will never be used to falsify the belief in the first place.

Take astrology: it may be that a reading from the stars predicts a person's personality. But what about readings that DON'T predict a person's personality? A pre-existing belief in astrology means the second data are disregarded, and that is deeply dishonest when it comes to establishing the objective truth of something.

Maybe you should just stick to talkorigins.com..since you know little abt what you are talking abt right now, cos its quite embarasing when you utter gibberish!

Kinell, so astrology is abt predicting a personality is it? Is that whats stated in talkorigins, your only source of knowledge? You are just one of those pricks out there who motoroff your mouth pretending to know something when you know shit abt it, aint it.

Well, listen up nicky nicky...astrology is not abt predicting a persons personality. Its abt mathematical calculations based on planetary movement to predict ones future. Its sort of a life map which captures a persons past present and future, quite categorically and accurately. Its not abt predicting your personality as put, "expertly" by you. I would suggest that you shut your gap abt things you dont really know abt. You dont need astrology to predict a character, even i can predict your personality...wanna hear?

Ofcourse some cowards here who dont put their money where their mouth is, and always run away when there is a challenge. Makes me laugh at the level of hypocrasy and cowardice thats so evident in those fellas.

So Nicky Nicky...next time, stick to topics you know abt, and dont try to be too smart will ya...

 

[Wibble]

Great..a bunch of fecking fools, as expected. I have provided enough prove of even a video and yet there is not even a single bit of objectivity. Goes quite to show the level of immaturity and ignorance among some posters here.

You dont have a single ounce of proff that the phenomenon is a fake. Not one single scientist has come forth to dispell this as mas hysteria with a solid explanation. If there is, then i would like to see it posted here. The shit of capilary is just utter nonsense. Its really funny, how some dickheads here can believe such things.

Look at it this way, i dont gain anything by proving God exists. This is a public board. I gain virtually nothing to prove anything. And if i am saying that i had personally tried it, with video evidence, extensive press coverage and millions of accounts, then the least a scientific "mind" would do is maybe give a benefit of the doubt becos there are more evidences to suggest it happened vs evidence it did not.

But guess the donkeys on here who seem to think they are great minds are but mere jocks. You have no data, explanation, or argument, just the same old boring lines..hysteria, bollocks etc etc...even an ass could do better than that, sadly some posters here even lack that level of intellect.

Anyway, the milk drinking incident was explained as a Great soul being born to rid the world of evil. It did not really mean that GOD was drinking milk. And i think, some of you have stepped over the line here and insulting God(if he did exist) will have its reprecussions. Wish you lot good luck, and mind you ....prob one day, you would realise that perhaps you could have been wrong. And you prob would not be laughing then.

So in summary:-

a) We are fools and immature because we are laughing at you (note: at, not with).
b) We are fools and immature because we are not agreeing with you.
c) You think we are dickheads because we find your "proof" of such a ludicrous event laughable.
d) Since we find your "evidence" laughable you now have nothing to prove
e) We are donkeys (or possibly an ass) who think that they have great minds despite being Scottish (bit confused here, maybe it is because I'm a donkey) except we are to stupid.
f) Ganesh wasn't drinking milk but instead there was a great soul being born to rid the world of evil.
g) which just happened to look like a statue drinking milk.

Glad we sorted that one out I feel so silly now

And while I think the chance of there being a god unlikley in the extreme, if I am wrong then I still want no part of anyone with such a perverse sense of humor and so much human misery to answer for.

 

[Wibble]

Well, listen up nicky nicky...astrology is not abt predicting a persons personality. Its abt mathematical calculations based on planetary movement to predict ones future. Its sort of a life map which captures a persons past present and future, quite categorically and accurately.

Please stop. My sides are hurting.



MANDY:So, you're astrologers, are you? Well, what is he then?
WISE MAN #2:Hmm?
MANDY:What star sign is he?
WISE MAN #2:Uh, Capricorn.
MANDY:Uhh, Capricorn, eh? What are they like?
WISE MAN #2:Ooh, but... he is the son of God, our Messiah.
WISE MAN #1:King of the Jews.
MANDY:And that's Capricorn, is it?
WISE MAN #2:Uh, no, no, no. That's just him.
MANDY:Ohh, I was going to say, 'Otherwise, there'd be a lot of them.'

 

[The King]

So in summary:-

a) We are fools and immature because we are laughing at you (note: at, not with).
b) We are fools and immature because we are not agreeing with you.
c) You think we are dickheads because we find your "proof" of such a ludicrous event laughable.
d) Since we find your "evidence" laughable you now have nothing to prove
e) We are donkeys (or possibly an ass) who think that they have great minds despite being Scottish (bit confused here, maybe it is because I'm a donkey) except we are to stupid.
f) Ganesh wasn't drinking milk but instead there was a great soul being born to rid the world of evil.
g) which just happened to look like a statue drinking milk.

Glad we sorted that one out I feel so silly now

And while I think the chance of there being a god unlikley in the extreme, if I am wrong then I still want no part of anyone with such a perverse sense of humor and so much human misery to answer for.

Wow...great summary Wibble, and here i was thinking that you arent capable of logical thoughts! You must have done quite well in your "selective comphrehension" tests. Good job

You make a real joke of yourself dude, most times....and its quite hilarious...

 

[The King]

Please stop. My sides are hurting.



MANDY:So, you're astrologers, are you? Well, what is he then?
WISE MAN #2:Hmm?
MANDY:What star sign is he?
WISE MAN #2:Uh, Capricorn.
MANDY:Uhh, Capricorn, eh? What are they like?
WISE MAN #2:Ooh, but... he is the son of God, our Messiah.
WISE MAN #1:King of the Jews.
MANDY:And that's Capricorn, is it?
WISE MAN #2:Uh, no, no, no. That's just him.
MANDY:Ohh, I was going to say, 'Otherwise, there'd be a lot of them.'

Another classic insight into the mind of a fool....and in King Lear(was it, not too sure?) that its said that a mad man is perhaps the one closest to God...so Wibbs...guess what, you are prob closer to GOD then anyone of us...

 

[nickm]

Maybe you should just stick to talkorigins.com..since you know little abt what you are talking abt right now, cos its quite embarasing when you utter gibberish!

Kinell, so astrology is abt predicting a personality is it? Is that whats stated in talkorigins, your only source of knowledge? You are just one of those pricks out there who motoroff your mouth pretending to know something when you know shit abt it, aint it.

Well, listen up nicky nicky...astrology is not abt predicting a persons personality. Its abt mathematical calculations based on planetary movement to predict ones future. Its sort of a life map which captures a persons past present and future, quite categorically and accurately. Its not abt predicting your personality as put, "expertly" by you. I would suggest that you shut your gap abt things you dont really know abt. You dont need astrology to predict a character, even i can predict your personality...wanna hear?

Ofcourse some cowards here who dont put their money where their mouth is, and always run away when there is a challenge. Makes me laugh at the level of hypocrasy and cowardice thats so evident in those fellas.

So Nicky Nicky...next time, stick to topics you know abt, and dont try to be too smart will ya...

Congratulations on another incoherent, content-free post that totally sidesteps the central point. Add another dunce cap to your expanding collection, whydontcha.

 

[nickm]

You make a real joke of yourself dude, most times....and its quite hilarious...

King, my old grandiosely-named friend, would I be right in thinking you were a pretty low achiever at school and perhaps your desire to embrace any and every nutjob theory on the Net is a symptom of a deep-seated desire to rebuild an ego bashed by years of failure in the educational system?

 

[Wibble]

Wow...great summary Wibble, and here i was thinking that you arent capable of logical thoughts! You must have done quite well in your "selective comphrehension" tests. Good job

You make a real joke of yourself dude, most times....and its quite hilarious...

Are you telling me that you assumed that was my own work? If so I take it as a great complement as it is the work of Monty Python.

 

[spinoza]

The King made a comment in the Malaysia thread about no one agreeing with me except for various people lining up to take a potshot at him...

I was curious enough to see if anyone has indeed agreed with him in any of the current events threads he's posted in.

The answer is zero, as far as I can see

However, there are around 35 posters who've called him variations on the theme of village idiot.

 

[Roger]

God isn't dead becase he never existed.

Prove it

 

[The King]

King, my old grandiosely-named friend, would I be right in thinking you were a pretty low achiever at school and perhaps your desire to embrace any and every nutjob theory on the Net is a symptom of a deep-seated desire to rebuild an ego bashed by years of failure in the educational system?

Haaaa...and what does that make you Nicky? Trying to put down a "failure of the education system" for such a long time and not succeeding in it. Does that make you an even more palpable failure?

Did you do very well in school Nick or did you even attend one? I doubt so, very much after listening to your gross errors on simple things such as diffusion and osmosis.

Why dont you pick on some pre schooler, maybe you would better luck with the kid!

 

[The King]

The King made a comment in the Malaysia thread about no one agreeing with me except for various people lining up to take a potshot at him...

I was curious enough to see if anyone has indeed agreed with him in any of the current events threads he's posted in.

The answer is zero, as far as I can see

However, there are around 35 posters who've called him variations on the theme of village idiot.

Another discovery, your Math is extremely poor isnt it Spin Doctor! Or is this another one of your spins...my head is spinning...hahhhaaa

I think there are several posts in the current affairs where posters do agree with me, wanna bet "Mr Pretending to be Know it all"?. You dont even seem to know how to count. Put your money where your mouth is, Dude.

And who is the village idiot, i thot you were the one who crawled out of a kampong in Kelantan...

Wow..i m relishing this...several muppets vs The King...and yet they cant win...

 

[Wibble]

Prove it

Prove that something imaginary is imaginary. Impossible.

All you can do is suspect that since huge numbers of people would like it to be true and that this has been the case for hundreds or thousands of years then the compete absence of evidence (bar the Kings personal eye witness acount of a thirst elephant spirit statue ) makes me at least suspect that there is nothing to find.

Of course I'm a bit of a sceptic and don't even really believe that anyone drives a Porche by choice.

 

[Wibble]

Haaaa...and what does that make you Nicky? Trying to put down a "failure of the education system" for such a long time and not succeeding in it. Does that make you an even more palpable failure?

Did you do very well in school Nick or did you even attend one? I doubt so, very much after listening to your gross errors on simple things such as diffusion and osmosis.

Why dont you pick on some pre schooler, maybe you would better luck with the kid!

I suspect that the hole you have been digging is rapidly becoming visible on satalite imagry. From Nick's posts I suspect that he has a fairly high level of education/academic achievement.

 

[The King]

I suspect that the hole you have been digging is rapidly becoming visible on satalite imagry. From Nick's posts I suspect that he has a fairly high level of education/academic achievement.

Hahhaa...but ofcourse. But the naked eye is enough to see your very own ignorance dude!

Level of education? High? Yeah..maybe to you...diffusion and osmosis..amongst others...mistakes on elementary subjects..yeah dude..sure..i believe you..

 

[crappycraperson]

king plz don tell me that u believed that ganesh milk thing and are using it as evidence of existence of god
that was utter shit!
some fool stared it and by evening every person in india was sitting in front of statue wasting tons of milk!

 

[nickm]

Hahhaa...but ofcourse. But the naked eye is enough to see your very own ignorance dude!

Level of education? High? Yeah..maybe to you...diffusion and osmosis..amongst others...mistakes on elementary subjects..yeah dude..sure..i believe you..

Who are you writing this for? Nobody, and I mean nobody, believes you.

 

[Wibble]

 

[The King]

king plz don tell me that u believed that ganesh milk thing and are using it as evidence of existence of god
that was utter shit!
some fool stared it and by evening every person in india was sitting in front of statue wasting tons of milk!

Were you there? Did you see it? What makes you say it was a hoax. And it was not only in India, everywhere else in the world as well. I have pasted the links as well as a video...

I saw it with my own eyes. And whats the weight of your argument(someone who was not even there) vs me who witnessed it. Be objective. I dont know if the episode shows there is a GOD, but there is suffiecient proof that there may just be a higher power.

 

[The King]

Who are you writing this for? Nobody, and I mean nobody, believes you.

Does that matter? Just becos a few idiots here seem to be blind, biased and a lil cowardy, does not mean i am wrong.

And whats amusing is, some on here think you are intelligent..hahhha...for someone who does not even know the fecking diff bet elementary osmosis and diffusion...now thats a joke isnt it!

 

[The King]

Better than an empty vessel..aint it

 

[JSV]

Yet another example of the queen's stupidity...