Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Dumb Vs Boss.


Heavyweight clash this. Only Boss can stop the evil Dumbstar from bringing down United of Manchester, Darth Ferguson and that black LB.
 
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Dumbstar said:
No it doesn't sit comfortably with me. He was stupid to do it and has probably got what was coming to him.

But that doesn't stop me making sure the FA, Ferguson and Evra get what's been long overdue either. Facht. :p
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OK. The first part makes sense.

One more genuine question - what the feck are you on about with the second part?
 
Some Dignity, Please
Liverpool FC were founded in 1892. They've been in existence for nearly 120 years. One would expect a club of such history and tradition to react to even the biggest setback with a degree of dignity, maturity and responsibility.

However, their statement in response to the Luis Suarez verdict read like it was written by a nine-year-old child whose ice cream has just been knocked out of their hand.

Let's take it point by point:

'We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone...'

Well, we'll stop you right there. Thanks to interviews given by the man himself and information very well leaked to the media by we don't know who (but can take a decent guess), Suarez admitted calling Evra 'something his team-mates at Manchester call him', so the use of the word was never in question.

'It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.'

Jesus, we thought this was just the domain of ill-informed idiots on the internet. For what is hopefully the final time, Evra has been caught up in racism rows twice before this incident. On neither of those occasions did Evra make the accusation.

'It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.'

We'll say this slowly - the FA did not charge Suarez with 'being a racist'. They charged him with using racist language. A man does not have to be 'a racist' to use racist language.

'Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black...He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.'

Seriously? The 'some of my best friends' argument? And as some have already pointed out, claiming a man cannot be racist because his grandfather was black is a little like saying he cannot be misogynist because he had a grandmother.

'We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.'

Ah, the classic trick of trying to flip around the blame. Are you trying to defend your man or simply say the other guy was just as bad? Also, we're handing out credit for 'not lying about hearing something you didn't hear' now, are we?

Football365 has not taken a stand on this matter because we have no idea what actually happened and without all of the evidence, it's a far too complex issue to take lightly.

Liverpool are a fine football club, but please, have some dignity. It's hardly a surprise when an element of their support reacts in a certain manner when the club behaves in this way.
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pocco said:
How come the CPS got involved with John Terry's case but not this?

Could Evra not get done for his 'don't touch me you south american' comments?
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CPS got involved as someone brought the case to them. Such thing hasn't happened in Suarez' case - yet.

And where has these "you South-American" comments come from?
 
redman5 said:
But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
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Dude. Take a minute and think about what you're saying. Forget your ties to liverpool. Forget your loyalties to your general Dalglish and Suarez and just sit down and think.

1. No one is calling Suarez a racist but he's being punished for using language that isn't acceptable in England.

2. To suggest that Evra wouldn't have raised these complaints if it weren't Liverpool just shows your emotion and need to be on the defensive for whatever reason. Think about the fact that Evra pursued this, not United. In fact, Liverpool have made this a MUFC v LFC thing by repeatedly accusing Evra. On our side, we've stayed quiet and got on with business as your lot should have done too.

3. Stop trying to find excuses. Did you ever think that admitting your faults can actually help to abet the situation? When you make assumptions and start spinning events, we're no longer talking about facts which is what we should be talking about. You pointing out that Evra started getting ropey because we lost the kickoff just shows your need to find an excuse. Can you please stop running away from the situation at hand here? Why dont you put yourself in Evra's situation and think what's it like being racially abused?

4. Liverpool have done themselves no favors with that diabolical statement yesterday and they could have helped themselves if they stopped trying to make this a war and actually remained professional. You cant tell me that statement is professional at all.

5. Again, Evra pursued this. Not United. Not Alex Ferguson. All we did was make sure that Evra was sure of what he was doing. This isn't war. This is dealing with issues that we really shouldnt be talking about in 2011. Just show some sense and forget about club loyalty because it really has nothing to do with that.
 
Dumbstar said:
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P
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Oh dear.

The FA didn't find him guilty, it was an independent commission, including a QC, the members of whom were agreed on by both clubs.

Get that into your thick head.

The FA merely decided the punishment of 8 games, which was rather lenient, considering they give much harsher sentences for far less heinous incidents.

So if anything the FA have helped you here.
 
To any Liverpool fans in here, why are Liverpool fans so angry at Evra? Because you think he's been lying? Or because he reported the incident?
 
redzeppelin said:
Hey dumpie, what would you say if Rooney said what Suarez said to Glen Johnson?

Hope you know you aren't really helping your club.
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He would probably say "Why the feck is Rooney speaking to Johnson in Spanish la?" and then peacefully move on, because scousers are not that small-time to get worked up over racist language, they're good people like that.
 
This actually works in Suarez' favour in one way. When he leaves that shite for a club that actually might challenge for something once in a while, he'll have no problems because he'll just say it's all down to this! Even 10 years down the line they'll all buy that :lol:
 
Nah, when Suarez realises they're going fecking nowhere and leaves, they'll all say he was a racist twat anyway.

And they'll burn his shirts, obviously.
 
The FA rules are relatively clear:

Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1).

The insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2).
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It is the responsibility of Liverpool FC to make sure their players are aware of the rules of the game.
 
The amount of diverting and misdirection from pool fans is ridiculous.

They've moved on to "8 Match ban for calling people names and a 3 match ban for trying to break someone's leg isn't proportionate" now...Which is completely irrelevant.

It's not Suarez it's Evra. It's not Suarez, it's Fergie. It's not Suarez it's the FA. It's not Suarez and even if it is he didn't mean it. If he meant it it doesn't matter because it's not as bad as something else.

Honestly, it would do some of them the world of good to go outside into the big wide world and see how they're coming across, because huddling together in a little mass of indignation and trading persecution stories is making them look utterly ridiculous.
 
I put this in the other thread but it was locked so I might as well post it in here.

Look, they were never ever going to sack an assett that cost them a huge amount of money or were they going to rush out and sell him in the transfer fee and take a huge loss. But that doesn't mean that they had to come out and attack Evra in such a vindictive way. They could either have made Suarez apologise for making a mistake or at least made a statement simply saying they were disapointed by the decision and they believe Suarez to be innocent. They could have done this in a much more tactful way. Instead what they have done is;

1> Probably turn all rightminded people off their club.
2> Made things worse for Suarez as this would have gone away if they dropped it.
3> Made things worse for Evra the victim by dragging this on.
4> Raised tensions between the two clubs past what is already a volitile relationship.
5> Belittled the kick racism out of football campaign.
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but negro is not a racist word - it's in the fin dictionary ffs
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logic of your typical scouser

anyhow that's me of on my holidays to Saudi a few nights on the piss get totally bladdered streak through the town centre then piss up a few statues then when arrested use the liverpool defence

What have I done wrong how can it be an offence it happens every Friday night back at home
 
So the CPS is going to give a decision about John Terry. Is the difference between this and the suarez case simply a member of the public reporting this to the police?

Does this mean the santions could be worse?
 
Dumbstar said:
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P
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I was hoping one of the resident scousers will come on and show some class.


that is obviously not you.
 
It's hilarious how the paranoid feckers think this is all down to SAF, the only manager who gets repeatedly banned for slightly criticising refs
 
I just don't get Liverpool's claim. They say that Evra's word is not credible, yet they say the words that Suarez used were acceptable in Uruguay.

Make your fecking minds up!!!
 
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