Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.

Post verdict and Liverpool statement that's not true. Except for you it seems. And on this issue you are not going to perpetuate that nonsense on here. Have a look at the non Liverpool or United sections of the media and then come back.
 
I'm fast running out of patience for his ridiculous bollocks on here.

Deluded nonsense from Redman.
 
Shits been overblown.....the defence by LFC and their fans makes it simply hysterical though. But it can't stay at 8 games, simply can't, yes Suarez has to be aware of cultural differences and that some things can't be said, but even if he is a fiesty character, I don't think it was said maliciously, whereas Terrys probably was, and he will probably get far less punishment....if he doesn't, then were all cool, Suarez ban can stay at 8 then.
 
its like saying "we support this rapist, because she made 2 allegations of rape against different men before". Except she didn't.
 
I'm fast running out of patience for his ridiculous bollocks on here.

Deluded nonsense from Redman.

This is a very common thing across all liverpool boards, excuses for him. I hope this episode finally puts an end to the "Rawk isn't a fair representation" bollocks, because unfortunately it seems to actually be the case.
 
Of course it was said maliciously! He was trying to provoke a reaction from Evra to help gain an advantage.

Any words having a pop at a players skin colour IS malicious! It's bad enough the scouse morons defending this shit without United fans sticking their ill informed opinions into the mix.
 
John Aldridge on SSN mow defending Suarez cant be racist as his grandfather is black, also saying the abuse he is receiving will see him leave the premier league, goes on to say that Kenny knows hes not a racist and we wan to see the best players play in hte league.
Cant believe what im seeing.
 
Daniel Taylor from the Guardian last night said he had unequivocal information that the epithet used by Suarez was 'negro', not 'negrito', for whoever was arguing the point with a scouser

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Thought he could get away with it and once he got caught he tried to sugar-coat it with a "less profane" term.
 
Shits been overblown.....the defence by LFC and their fans makes it simply hysterical though. But it can't stay at 8 games, simply can't, yes Suarez has to be aware of cultural differences and that some things can't be said, but even if he is a fiesty character, I don't think it was said maliciously, whereas Terrys probably was, and he will probably get far less punishment....if he doesn't, then were all cool, Suarez ban can stay at 8 then.

You have no way of making these kind of judgements without hearing the evidence.
 
They've done well to alienate themselves from the rest of the population. How to win friends and influence people...Liverpool style.
 
Shits been overblown.....the defence by LFC and their fans makes it simply hysterical though. But it can't stay at 8 games, simply can't, yes Suarez has to be aware of cultural differences and that some things can't be said, but even if he is a fiesty character, I don't think it was said maliciously, whereas Terrys probably was, and he will probably get far less punishment....if he doesn't, then were all cool, Suarez ban can stay at 8 then.

:lol:
 
You have no way of making these kind of judgements without hearing the evidence.

Yeah, which is why I include 'probably' unlike the other dude a few posts above yours who apparently was next Evra and Suarez and knows for a fact that Suarez's was malicious.

I'm just going off Terrys character....and tbf, he's pretty much the only player I don't like, the guy was low enough to sleep with his mates missus and get away with it smugly. I know, uncool of me to judge him so easily.
 
You don't expect much else from the fans, but I'm intrigued with Saint Kenny exposing himself for the bitter old miserable cnut that he is. Covering himself in shit has a certain satisfaction in it, even if it is only a small bit in light of the situation.

A bottle job and a walkout over Christmas would make it even better.
 
Shits been overblown.....the defence by LFC and their fans makes it simply hysterical though. But it can't stay at 8 games, simply can't, yes Suarez has to be aware of cultural differences and that some things can't be said, but even if he is a fiesty character, I don't think it was said maliciously, whereas Terrys probably was, and he will probably get far less punishment....if he doesn't, then were all cool, Suarez ban can stay at 8 then.

Much like his biting wasn't malicious nor his gesture towards the Fulham fans, you mean?

Can't believe people defending this bag of utter shit.
 
They've done well to alienate themselves from the rest of the population. How to win friends and influence people...Liverpool style.

Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P
 
This is a very common thing across all liverpool boards, excuses for him. I hope this episode finally puts an end to the "Rawk isn't a fair representation" bollocks, because unfortunately it seems to actually be the case.

Any time I see people quoting RAWK on here, I can imagine Liverpool fans I know in real life saying it. I've seen plenty of people on facebook last night come out with all the same shite as rawk do. Hate the bastards.
 
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P



I refuse to believe you're serious.
 
Much like his biting wasn't malicious nor his gesture towards the Fulham fans, you mean?

Can't believe people defending this bag of utter shit.

Neither of those actions nor his handball or vicious diving 'tackle' on that player have anything to do with this. But eh, this is pointless....I'll probably be called a troll or something in a minute just because I have somewhat of a middle ground.
 
The ban is a bit harsh, regardless of what the individuals background is, if it happened then the person must be punished. Do we continue to offer lip service or do we meet our punishment which meets the offence.

This type of behaviour can never be condoned.
 
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P

Oh I agree...the FA's corrupt, Suarez has a black ancestor, Darth Fergie uses his influence, and Evra's at fault for being black.
 
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P

Do you really think we are that big a club and ye are the victims of our influence?

And only idiots think the FA has a bias. There may be some creedence to treating players at big clubs as examples, but that's nothing to do with Fergie's influence. If you really believe it is just stop watching football. I would.

Go visit a non United or Pool forum and come back.
 
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P

Seriously Dumbstar, serious question - are you seriously defending a man found guilty of uttering racist insults to another man, despite the fact that you have no evidence o suggest he is innocent while the independent commission that found him guilty are likely to know far more about it than anyone else?

Does defending him (despite his guilt of an unbelievably base crime) sit comfortably with you on a moral level?
 
John Aldridge on SSN mow defending Suarez cant be racist as his grandfather is black, also saying the abuse he is receiving will see him leave the premier league, goes on to say that Kenny knows hes not a racist and we wan to see the best players play in hte league.
Cant believe what im seeing.

Thick as two short planks.
 
Also, out of curiosity....does the band start tonight or what? -_-
 
Any time I see people quoting RAWK on here, I can imagine Liverpool fans I know in real life saying it. I've seen plenty of people on facebook last night come out with all the same shite as rawk do. Hate the bastards.

It's worrying as hell how supporters fit their clubs. Chelsea and Liverpool supporters are the worst in England in my opinion. You obviously get the 'Pool fan who accepts that Rafa wasn't the bees knees, and the odd Chelsea fan who thinks United don't get 98 minutes of added time every match.

But in general all my friends fit into those categories.
 
Or it might highlight how corrupt the FA is, as you lot have been shouting for 18 years...until yesterday when suddenly they're the bees knees. :)

Anyway, the police should get involved as regardless of anyone making a complaint (which technically Evra did though not directly to the police) this case now needs to be taken up by the CPS too - ala Terry.

Then the fun in a proper law court starts, how far does Ferguson's influence reach there? :P

What has this got to do with Ferguson? Seriously, put up or shut up

Luther Blissett called for it to go to court, same as any normal person who gets found to have been guilty of racist behaviour.

This may not be over for Suarez yet
 
Apparently suarez did not bite someone in Holland as it is classed as affection in Uruguay.

And his handball in the world cup was simply showing love for the ball, and should not have been awarded as a foul.
 
John Aldridge on SSN mow defending Suarez cant be racist as his grandfather is black, also saying the abuse he is receiving will see him leave the premier league, goes on to say that Kenny knows hes not a racist and we wan to see the best players play in hte league.
Cant believe what im seeing.

The line that was peddled by both LFCs website and Tim Vickery (who I generally have a lot of time for) on the BCC that Suarez can't be racist because one of his grandfathers was black and Uruguay led the way on racial equality in football in the 20th century is beginning to shit me.

While it is definitely true that Uruguay gave chances to black players in larger numbers earlier in the 20th century than other South American nations what Vickery/LFC are essentially inferring is that no one from Uruguay can be racist for this reason. Which is bollocks.

His grandfather being black doesn't preclude him from acting in a racially abusive manner either. It just serves to highlight how particularly stupid his actions were.
 
Neither of those actions nor his handball or vicious diving 'tackle' on that player have anything to do with this. But eh, this is pointless....I'll probably be called a troll or something in a minute just because I have somewhat of a middle ground.

They have everything to do with this. It's all part of his personality. I'm not calling you anything but it's pretty dangerous of making assumptions like you did.
 
John Aldridge on SSN mow defending Suarez cant be racist as his grandfather is black, also saying the abuse he is receiving will see him leave the premier league, goes on to say that Kenny knows hes not a racist and we wan to see the best players play in hte league.
Cant believe what im seeing.

Too bad the FA rules don't make any mention of the accusers race, just whether a comment was made about the victim's race. Which there was, apparently as admitted by Suarez.

If Suarez had just kept his mouth shut and denied saying anything, I suspect he'd have gotten off.
 
Also, out of curiosity....does the band start tonight or what? -_-

It starts after either Liverpool and Suarez accept the verdict (unlikely to happen) or after the appeal has been heard.

Essentially, the ban won't start until at least mid-Jan at the earliest IMO
 
Apparently suarez did not bite someone in Holland as it is classed as affection in Uruguay.

And his handball in the world cup was simply showing love for the ball, and should not have been awarded as a foul.

It's all about context, I've had some bites I was happy to get, but by close friends. If a relative stranger does it, then surely it's derogatory.
 
What has this got to do with Ferguson? Seriously, put up or shut up

Luther Blissett called for it to go to court, same as any normal person who gets found to have been guilty of racist behaviour.

This may not be over for Suarez yet

I think it would take a complaint from a member of the public for it to go to court, which hasn't happened yet. I don't think that a footballer would ever make that complaint - I think they're first recourse always has to be through the FA or PFA.

I'd be surprised if the FA would release any judgement of there was still a chance of it going to court as any guilty ruling by the FA would obviously prejudice a future court decision - which is why the FA can't do shit re Terry until the CPS are finished.
 
It's worrying as hell how supporters fit their clubs. Chelsea and Liverpool supporters are the worst in England in my opinion. You obviously get the 'Pool fan who accepts that Rafa wasn't the bees knees, and the odd Chelsea fan who thinks United don't get 98 minutes of added time every match.

But in general all my friends fit into those categories.

And the worst thing about it is that most fans that aren't United or Liverpool share the same views against United. Although to be fair with this case it seems to be only the simple Liverpool fans who are being complete morons. But as people have mentioned, it's hardly surprising when the club themselves are releasing official statements peddling the ridiculous.
 
It starts after either Liverpool and Suarez accept the verdict (unlikely to happen) or after the appeal has been heard.

Essentially, the ban won't start until at least mid-Jan at the earliest IMO

They've got two weeks to appeal, after which it kicks in.

I don't know if it starts immediately if they come out and say they're not appealing.