M Bison
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It does feel like we’re trying to undo some of this, DDG was offered a lower salary? What was Shaw’s new contract worth vs previous contract?
Yes but we have to start as we mean to go on, rewarding Rashford for a very good season is important but overpaying isn’t the way forward. Negotiating new signings and associated contracts, would compare to what is currently being given out rather than what is historically being paid.
The board have recognised that inflated wages are an issue amongst the team and are looking at reducing that, starting with renewals including Shaw, Rashford and DDG.
Yes but it has to start somewhere, so because we made mistakes with wages previously we should continue that trend?And you think Rashford and Antony shpuld be on same wages? Or that Sancho should have more than Rashford?
We made mistakes long time ago, it's not the time to fix it on our only player who can score goals.
800k pw it adds up to, Sancho and Martial may be sold in the summer, have a feeling ETH doesnt want them in the squad.Imagine this front 3:
Sancho Martial Antony
Thats mid table material at 600k pw. Insanity
800k pw it adds up to, Sancho and Martial may be sold in the summer, have a feeling ETH doesnt want them in the squad.
800k pw it adds up to, Sancho and Martial may be sold in the summer, have a feeling ETH doesnt want them in the squad.
Martial is still young, he is on alot of money but surely most people know players get paid to leave when the clubs want them out, its a sweetener so they can go somewhere else on less money
They will have to accept lower wages to get game time. I’d rather sell them and use Pellistri and Garnacho more and the proceeds from the sales on players that can make a difference at the club. Still not convinced about this team as it is either, still some rotten element in it.Who is going to buy either on the wages they're on? That leaves you with loans where you're still paying half their wages, which is barely worth it when we need some kind of squad.
Lukaku went back to Inter not long after Chelsea paid a fortune for him so it’s not inconceivable to think it couldn’t happen. Although he’s not a fit for us doesn’t mean he couldn’t be brilliant in a different team/setup. The way City play they could accommodate him and get more from him. Plenty of possession on the ball suits his style, plus linking with Haaland again.With him it's his injury record that is going to make clubs reluctant to touch him. Martial is hardly our biggest problem anyway, when he actually plays he is a fine addition to the squad, the problem is he hardly plays.
Sancho we would have to pay an absurd amount to leave. No club would probably even give him a 1/3 of the wages he's on currently. Still has years left on his contract, we're never going to buy out his contract like that, as it would make no financial sense to do so. I'm not even sure where he goes, because it's rare to see an English player look totally unsuited to playing in the Premier League, back to Dortmund, but what are they going to pay for him? It'd probably be too embarrassing to even entertain.
Lukaku went back to Inter not long after Chelsea paid a fortune for him so it’s not inconceivable to think it couldn’t happen. Although he’s not a fit for us doesn’t mean he couldn’t be brilliant in a different team/setup. The way City play they could accommodate him and get more from him. Plenty of possession on the ball suits his style, plus linking with Haaland again.
we would have to take a loss on Sancho but I would rather do it now than pay his wage for another 2/3 years and lose him for free. Yes we need depth but it seems Sancho isn’t right for this United team.
Sancho was earning £190,000 a week at Dortmund, they weren't paying him pennies over there.
I feel this list tells a tale about when their wages get pumped, it's usually when signing and not when extending:
Player Club Old Wage New Wage Increase Sancho Dortmund £2 830 768,00 £18 200 000,00 542,94 %Casemiro Real Madrid £9 677 688,00 £18 200 000,00 88,06 %Varane Real Madrid £15 109 224,00 £17 680 000,00 17,01 %Martial Monaco £505 115,00 £5 720 000,00 1032,42 %Fernandes Sporting CP £2 538 845,00 £9 360 000,00 268,67 %Antony Ajax £1 344 615,00 £10 400 000,00 673,46 %Maguire Leicester £4 680 000,00 £9 880 000,00 111,11 %Eriksen* Inter £8 509 996,00 £7 800 000,00 -8,34 %Eriksen* Brentford £3 120 000,00 £7 800 000,00 150,00 %Shaw Southampton £1 300 000,00 £5 720 000,00 340,00 %Fred Shakhtar £1 750 044,00 £6 240 000,00 256,56 %Lindelof Benfica £337 038,00 £3 900 000,00 1057,14 %Martinez Ajax £1 061 538,00 £6 240 000,00 487,83 %van de Beek Ajax £2 211 538,00 £6 240 000,00 182,16 %Wan-Bissaka Crystal Palace £780 000,00 £4 680 000,00 500,00 %Malacia Feyenoord £345 000,00 £3 900 000,00 1030,43 %Heaton Aston Villa £2 080 000,00 £2 300 000,00 10,58 %Dalot Porto £137 115,00 £1 300 000,00 848,11 %
Given Antony and Martinez' wages you start to wonder if anything has really changed.
(Note: The weird numbers are because they were paid in euros, source is www.capology.com, its probably as good a guess as the rest)
They will have to accept lower wages to get game time. I’d rather sell them and use Pellistri and Garnacho more and the proceeds from the sales on players that can make a difference at the club. Still not convinced about this team as it is either, still some rotten element in it.
I don't quite understand why we needed to pay Sancho so much to get his signature. If we'd offered him half that, it would still have been far more than his Dortmund pay.
It is your money if you're a season ticket holder, pay to see the occasional game, buy merchandise etc etc. Criminal really.Not even my money but I'm actually kinda mad to see how United actually really stupid when paying up all these players. Like an actual stupid. Paying Antony 200k per week? Brandon William got 65k and so on. I even dare to say not a single player in this club actually deserve that kind of money given what they produced all these years. That amount of money would probably be better spend in others part of clubs etc. Jesus. There must some kind of Whatsapp group where all the agents of United players were in there and their text messages were just laughing and money emoji .
No it's not you pay for the product and that's it , unless you are a share holder then it's a different matter .It is your money if you're a season ticket holder, pay to see the occasional game, buy merchandise etc etc. Criminal really.
Yes weird amounts to payThey’ve definitely hacked Maguire’s and Heaton’s bank accounts to get those figures.
Source?It's well established, or at least it should be that Sancho is definitely not on wages over £300k,
Yes the board should have a figure and stick to it. For example DeGea has turned down Utds offer on a reduced contract. Say they have dropped it to 200k. They should say thats the offer good luck getting it elsewhere. Once the penny dropped he would soon sign it.Yes but we have to start as we mean to go on, rewarding Rashford for a very good season is important but overpaying isn’t the way forward. Negotiating new signings and associated contracts, would compare to what is currently being given out rather than what is historically being paid.
The board have recognised that inflated wages are an issue amongst the team and are looking at reducing that, starting with renewals including Shaw, Rashford and DDG.
I just think we see things differently. When you pay to see a game and it's not cheap if you are unhappy which a lot of you seem to be, and I agree a bit then you aren't getting value for money but apart from that you are putting your money into the coffers. With merchandise it's like you are paying for a product which value is linked to the performance but yet again, when you pay your money to advertise the shop/business etc, again you are putting your money in the piggy bank.No it's not you pay for the product and that's it , unless you are a share holder then it's a different matter .
The Athletic.Source?
The Athletic.
The £350k from figure is an urban myth which has somehow gained legs.
I seem to remember The Athletic reporting that Sancho was given wages of £250k plus bonuses when he signed.
What ever he's on is too much
I would still expect us to get around 50m for Sancho, there’s a good player there just needs the right setup for it.But they aren't going to just accept a 1/3 of their current wages just to get game time, they would want paying off. It's extremely optimistic to think selling Sancho would add any money to the transfer kitty at all. We'd probably have to pay him like £10m a year for the remaining 3 years of his contract just to get rid. I doubt a club is offering more than 30m for him.
Martial I don't see it being worth our while to force him out either. We barely have a striker at the club to begin with, the players you mention couldn't replace Martial's role in the squad. Even if we bring one in the summer Martial still adds value to the squad.
I think it's far more likely you'll see Maguire leave in the summer, as someone that will hold actual value with buyers, and will be easy to find a buyer for, so will suit all parties. McTominay is a big possibility too, as again there will be takers.
I would still expect us to get around 50m for Sancho, there’s a good player there just needs the right setup for it.
If he’s not playing regularly then it’s going to affect his career massively going forward. He can warm the bench and collect his salary for the next 3 years and then leave for free if he wants, who will want him after that.
International career will stall for 3 years, missing out on Euros and World cups.
Better for both parties to cut their losses and do what’s best for each other.
In regards to Martial, anyone can replace him, he barely plays. The amount of games he misses through injury is ridiculous, it’s not what we need at all. Even when he does play he goes missing in a lot of games. We need rid of him and a fresh start up front. We’ve coped without him most of the last 4 years due to the same reasons and he won’t be that missed if he goes. I do agree he’s a good backup option if we did keep him but would prefer to shift him on and bring in a couple of new strikers to replace him.
A lot will be dictated by who owns us after this buyout happens. If it’s the Glazers then I expect Martial etc to stay as we won’t have funds to replace or improve on.
I do agree that Maguire and McT will be gone in the summer as they want game time and aren’t on massive wages.
He played most of our games in the second half of the 2019-20-season on either back (Shaw and Dalot both had injury trouble) and signed a new contract that summer.I think the worst one there is Brandon Williams. How did he get on £65k per week? He barely even played for the club.