What's weird is that if they had planned/hoped for a new manager to come in, make a couple changes, get the best out of the current lot, and grind out top 4 then Conte would gave been the logical choice. His defensive/counter attacking style would have suited some of our players. Hiring ETH means virtually the whole squad needs replacing if we have ambitions to play a successful possession based style. It reeks of disjointed thinking and planning. Or perhaps Conte simply came across as too demanding.
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What's weird is that if they had planned/hoped for a new manager to come in, make a couple changes, get the best out of the current lot, and grind out top 4 then Conte would gave been the logical choice. His defensive/counter attacking style would have suited some of our players. Hiring ETH means virtually the whole squad needs replacing if we have ambitions to play a successful possession based style. It reeks of disjointed thinking and planning. Or perhaps Conte simply came across as too demanding.
You could probably do it better than him, also love mentioning 2nd and 3rd like bunch of brainwashed parrots, specially without context, fecking hell worse bunch then JM one with 2nd position constant reminder, here is some facts for you, he wasted years, he wasted money, he left a mess and he won feck all, what time to be alive, going around shouting 2nd/3rd proudly.
I really think Conte would have failed badly too. We simply aren't the same team that finished 2nd regardless of tactics. The team has been absolutely broken by last season. Things like Luke Shaw spending over a season refusing to track runners, Maguire panicking in pressure situations, Rashford becoming a league 1 footballer, Bruno doing nothing but skying shots, Dalot being fecking Dalot, Mctominay being Mctominay. Yes Conte ball would suit this team more and there would be less growing pains. But I can't see how any manager deals with a team that is in absolute mental freefall since last season. The battering this lot have taken on and off the pitch, I don't think it can be fixed.
It needs a transformation in terms of recruitment. RR was spot on that and we start seeing real improvement until we replace many many of these players
The absolute cnuts who hold power at the club lucked out on a top manager and have proceeded to give him the bare minimum hoping his brilliance gets us top 4. Glazers aren't interested in the title race because the ROI just doesn't make sense and it's a business for them ultimately. Cancerous cnuts.
ETH needs to apply max pressure to get the players he needs because these jokers who start for him and have cost other managers their job and will cost him too. DDG Dalot Shaw Maguire Fred McT Rashford Ronaldo Martial - none of them deserve to be here and 7-8 of them are starters for us. It'll take time but at least replace half of them now.
ETH needs to apply max pressure to get the players he needs because these jokers who start for him and have cost other managers their job and will cost him too. DDG Dalot Shaw Maguire Fred McT Rashford Ronaldo Martial - none of them deserve to be here and 7-8 of them are starters for us. It'll take time but at least replace half of them now.
Conte would never come for a top 4 challenge. Unless the likes of ETH, he doesn't even hold back in pressers and would have called out the lack of ambition already. IIRC, there were leaks back then about the club thinking Conte is too blunt to work here.
This is absolutely what is needed but absolutely what won't happen under the existing leadership. Besides I have complete faith in them wasting all the money should actually go ahead and sign 4-5 more players.
Yeah, it's probably that. Still, hiring ETH and expecting him to turn the current squad around makes no sense. They could have hired bloody Sean Dyche if they wanted someone to play a defensive/counter attacking on a budget, and play kick and run football that would suit the likes of McFred, Rashford, and a deep defensive line so Maguire doesn't have to move more than 20 yards from his own goal and get caught out for pace.
Feel sorry for him.
People want a manager who believes in a modern vision until it leads to a few errors and defeats. He won't get everything right and adapting to English football will probably take a year. But he's been absolutely fed to the wolves by the club leadership. It's not a one man / management team to revive a broken Manchester United.
People want a manager who believes in a modern vision until it leads to a few errors and defeats. He won't get everything right and adapting to English football will probably take a year. But he's been absolutely fed to the wolves by the club leadership. It's not a one man / management team to revive a broken Manchester United.
I agree with you that this ultimately goes back to Murtough and the Glazers, but if ETH agreed to go into a situation where he would be responsible for transfers, then he is a fool. Basically no top club allows that anymore, and ETH relied heavily on Overmars and Ajax’s strength in the transfer market relative to the rest of the Eredivisie.
Yeah right these team selections are not laying the foundation of a modern vision this is what we have been watching for over a year, if it wasn't the same old players stinking it up there would be a hell of a lot more hope around the place.
Seriously explain how a fit Varane is sitting on the bench. How he takes off his own signing ahead of Maguire, how he brings on McTominay after the worst CM performance of all time at Brighton ahead of Donny or even Garner, how he starts Shaw AGAIN ahead of Malacia who once AGAIN comes on and shows how useless Shaw is. Nevermind Bruno and Rashford.
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Would garnacho be worse than rashford? Zidane after looking decent in pre season?amad cannot make the squad ?
Team selection and sub decision are worrying. No manager seems to be able to drop certain players. This needs to be investigated by the Journalists and fans alike.
Our club is being the circus it is, but ETH is being more naive than I ever thought he could be.
A foundation isn't laid through 2 matches. If ETH decides to play Garnacho the rest of the way, your comment would look silly. I'm not saying that is going to happen, but the point is your rush to judgement is 2 games in. Always wait for a larger sample size in regards to setting up the foundation. It's one of the reasons why I didn't like Ralf's time. He had half a season and didn't do it.
Look, what the heck was Erik doing since April, really? And how many matches does it take for a top manager to realise his players are crap? Why did he keep claiming during pre season that he was happy with his squad. Happy as a bird no need to sign any players to replace those we lost.
let’s play the hypotheticaand assume 38. Ok. We are now 2 down and 36 to go. Or perhaps we know nothing about football, and it actually takes 76 league matches instead. Ok, then 74 to go.
we would like Erik to tell the truth eventually though.
But if it was 2, then it is an absolute farce because the effects are season long since now is very much too late to sign anyone of calibre.
let’s play the hypotheticaand assume 38. Ok. We are now 2 down and 36 to go. Or perhaps we know nothing about football, and it actually takes 76 league matches instead. Ok, then 74 to go.
we would like Erik to tell the truth eventually though.
But if it was 2, then it is an absolute farce because the effects are season long since now is very much too late to sign anyone of calibre.
Ralf did not have 6 weeks to train the squad and identify who is shite and who's not.
Does seem odd that no matter how bad some of these players perform they are in the team. 3 managers have come in and played basically the same team with a few exceptions.
Is it ten Hag's job to sign players?
But it suited our team the most, they were useless at old Trafford where there was an expectation to win. Bring fans back and they crumbled even more.
Like I say, his third season where he’d all the time to implement his ideas, true colours came through
how many times have we heard of a toxic dressing room? Who created that culture? Ole
Seriously it isn’t? Then it begs the question why is he saying we need to sign players now? Even more funnily, how many would it take for the player signer then?
Huh?
Yer because his signings of vdb and awb are just as useless
To be fair both have coaches who have been there for a decent amount of time and are sensible in their recruitment. In a way it’s easier to recruit as a ‘smaller’ team because you’re less likely to encounter the egos and issues you find with the big name players - for example Brighton broke their wage structure for Lallana who then was pretty awful/mostly injured for them.
United have just done multiple things poorly, we’ve given managers too much say in transfers (which seems to still be the case), we’ve hired bad managers, we’ve signed a lot of players even the caf was on the fence about. When fans, who are armchair critics at best, can see issues with Maguire, DDG, Ronaldo etc. but the club doesn’t you know there is something not quite right at the helm.
He demanded 3 Ajax players, very overpriced ones. We spent 2/3 summer to chase after them. I wouldn't say he's blameless.
The "X or nothing" mentality needs to go. Not even City operates that way and they're oil club. United needs to do smart business, we need a list of players to fill every position. If clubs don't want to sell? fine feck you, I'll buy elsewhere.
This I agree with to an extent. Where there's other options, how on earth are some of these players still starting? They're shit, and don't deserve to start for us.
the problem is you can’t replace half of them and not expect the cn*ts sickness infect the new half too. How many times have we experienced this already? We brought in Bruno who in his first season looked like the Messiah trying to get us back, Sancho looked like a potential worldclass at Dortmund the guy cant pass a green traffic light now for fecks sake. i see the same thing happening now with Martinez, the guy had the intensity of a cage fighter but now fits the team perfectly (which isnt a compliment).
RR was right, how bad he might even have been… we have a toxic and stage 2 cancerous team. Cut it from the stem and rebuild. Even if it takes a season in the bottom half. Its better than embarrassing is season in and out.
Yeah, he identified some targets because the scouting is shite.
Only one was considered essential - FDJ
It's not his job to sign them, it's Murtough who has to get approval from Joel Glazer.
In an ideal world the manager would only get a veto on signings but our recruitment is inadequate so our coaches produce their own list until they sort their shit out.
If he started to work on the team during last season like he said then he would have seen some players are just hopeless. Nothing short of a drastical start would have worked. You can't polish turds
Goes without saying the sample size is limited but foundations are also laid brick by brick and we have apparently fell face first in the cement mixer.
Haven't you had enough of the same players? One of his biggest positives was meant to be that he picked his teams on merit and even discounting the general performance its like Ole hasn't even left, Donny even came on in the dying minutes of the game for crying out loud.
Yes. They thought hiring a ”good” coach would solve everything.
Of course, that was a much-posted opinion on these pages. “We are an awfully coached team”. Too bad people had to argue that the players were fine to “prove” that the coaching was bad.
A good coach is important but we’ve actually had several of those and I’m not sure the best coach in the world could do anything here without overhauling the squad.
We spent billions on players so it’s not the amount of money that is the problem. It is the lack of support on critical player issues at critical times (file under interference from inept board and owners) and the lack of genuine expertise between the board and the coach - that’s what has got us here.
Ha, Donny. Poor sod.
Or he could've just sat with RR for 2 hours and it would have saved them 6 months of work.
Conte would have sorted this mess out and he would have gotten the best out of Pogba and Lukaku, two world class players when the belief and trust is there. He would have gotten maximum out of Di Maria as well, another world class player. Just look at Tevez in Juventus. Someone like McTominay could thrive, Marchisio looked like Kante out there for Juventus.
This guy has a track record of being clueless and my deepest fear is that he thinks that they assembled a very good team. Please just leave …
The fact is that there are players out there that would drastically improve us. The likes of Brighton can unearth gems time after time. Yet here we are, totally unprepared, targeting players that are either unrealistic or well past their prime!
On the other hand, its fortunate he finally realise this when we still have weeks to rectify some of the issues we have before the transfer window is closed.
I hope the crybabies at our club don't constitute this as manager throwing them under the bus
But, the pressure is on the board to get few signings in next 2 weeks. So, what does the Caf think? How many will we sign and who?
Unless a big turnaround happens very soon, I honestly think a more crucial question is who they can get out. We need to tear down before we can start buildung up. And who'll want to come here right now anyway.
No manager walks in and says team are shite I’m ripping it up and starting again. He’s trotted out the usual cliches, don’t believe he was happy with squad but to what extent is anyone’s guess.
I’ve no doubt he’s made a lot of mistakes, been given terrible advice by club and made some misplaced assumptions (like team finished 2nd recently so can’t be that bad).
He’s probably now at stage of realising he needs a total rebuild but doesn’t have time or money and it’s completely at odds with what the club want to do. He’s in trouble.
Conte does !
Fair point, Conte let’s it out pretty quickly which is why he was never an option for us.