He is killing it in the CL, although he only scores 1 CL goal this season, mostly due to injuries.Whilst I agree that im also very conscious about Bundesliga players - I think Haaland was good at his other club/league before Dortmund and then is absolutely killing it in the CL and the national team too.
You say 12 goals in 3 years (26 months after his debut), I would say 12 goals and 1 assist in his last 12 matches (85 minutes/goal - 78 minutes/goal contribution)He is killing it in the CL, although he only scores 1 CL goal this season, mostly due to injuries.
International though, he has like 12 goals in 3 years, majority of his goals are scored against very very poor teams, so I am not sure "killing it" is the right term...
Its not very impressive though, if compare to other top strikers in the game.You say 12 goals in 3 years (26 months after his debut), I would say 12 goals and 1 assist in his last 12 matches (85 minutes/goal - 78 minutes/goal contribution)
Not too shabby that, is it?
Manchester United has now the same problem as Bayern Munich. An aging world class striker who is still world class for another 1 or 2 seasons.
Haaland won't join either club to be the second choice striker for a couple of years.
Just look at the situation of Nübel and Neuer and how his to move to Bayern panned out.
Haaland can choose any club of the world, do why would he take the risk to sit on the bench for a couple of seasons.
Ah come off it...only one you can compare him to in that list is Lewa with the rest playing in Significantly superior teams. Have you analysed who they have scored against? 4 of Mbappe’s were against Kazakhstan!Its not very impressive though, if compare to other top strikers in the game.
19-21 International goals:
Ronaldo - 30 goals
Harry Kane - 28 goals
Lukaku - 23 goals
Lewandowski - 19 goals
Messi - 15 goals
Mbappe - 14 goals
Haaland - 12 goals
Still not bad. But "killing it" is over the top statement.
Have you analysed who Haaland scored against too? 3 against Gibraltar (ranked 203th in the world), and that contributes to 1/4 of his total goals.Ah come off it...only one you can compare him to in that list is Lewa with the rest playing in Significantly superior teams. Have you analysed who they have scored against? 4 of Mbappe’s were against Kazakhstan!
Great attackers in poorer international set ups are going to struggle...George Weah, George Best, Ryan Giggs, Georgie Hagi didn’t score loads...Dwight York’s comes to mind!
Point taken but you have to say the using international teams as a metric to assess quality is sketchy...Have you analyse who Haaland scored against too? 3 against Gibraltar (ranked 203th in the world), and that contributes to 1/4 of his total goals.
Its not my intention to compare their international stats directly, but someone mentioned earlier he is killing it for international stage, which isn't true at any stretch. I am just trying to put things back to perspective...Point taken but you have to say the using international teams as a metric to assess quality is sketchy...
by reason, great strikers will play for at least very good clubs...
but they can’t help it if their National team is just not in the same ballpark. Plus the better the national team the more games they might play in a sample period that involves a tournament? Is that the case with Lukaku and Mbappe and Kane and Ronaldo?
Apologies...didn’t see that. Yeah he is far from killing it on the international stage.Its not my intention to compare their international stats directly, but someone mentioned earlier he is killing it for international stage, which isn't true at any stretch. I am just trying to put things back to perspective...
Its not very impressive though, if compare to other top strikers in the game.
19-21 International goals:
Ronaldo - 30 goals
Harry Kane - 28 goals
Lukaku - 23 goals
Lewandowski - 19 goals
Messi - 15 goals
Mbappe - 14 goals
Haaland - 12 goals
Its not my intention to compare their international stats directly, but someone mentioned earlier he is killing it for international stage, which isn't true at any stretch. I am just trying to put things back to perspective...
Yeah but if you watch him for Norway...which I have to say I have seen one or two matches, it’s fair to say he is not looking unplayable and there are much more important players in that Norway side.This is the worst use of 'stats' I've ever seen.
He played 2 games in 2019, one from the bench.
He played 5 games in September and October 2020. Missed the November games because of covid restrictions.
He played 8 games in 2021. Missed October and November through injuries.
You're comparing him to players who played the entire 2019 (including Nations League finals), 2020 and 2021 (including Euros).
He has 12 goals in 15 games for a rubbish national team which is world class no matter how you look at it.
Kane as an example has played 36(!) games in the period you're using. That's 21 more games than Haaland. And for some reason you deem this to be a fair comparison.
Bore off with this. You're not putting anything into 'perspective' with your misuse of stats.
Just take it easy, he is not killing it for international games, thats all I am trying to say.This is the worst use of 'stats' I've ever seen.
He played 2 games in 2019, one from the bench.
He played 5 games in September and October 2020. Missed the November games because of covid restrictions.
He played 8 games in 2021. Missed October and November through injuries.
You're comparing him to players who played the entire 2019 (including Nations League finals), 2020 and 2021 (including Euros).
He has 12 goals in 15 games for a rubbish national team which is world class no matter how you look at it.
Kane as an example has played 36(!) games in the period you're using. That's 21 more games than Haaland. And for some reason you deem this to be a fair comparison.
Bore off with this. You're not putting anything into 'perspective' with your misuse of stats.
12 goals in 15 matches. That is very good numbers for the Norwegian national team. It's not easy being the striker for the national team, because they are pretty useless.International though, he has like 12 goals in 3 years, majority of his goals are scored against very very poor teams, so I am not sure "killing it" is the right term...
I didn't say its bad, but its like 4 goals in 5 games per year over the past 3 years, against mostly very poor opponents. Its really nothing special there, and definitely not "killing it" at international stage yet.12 goals in 15 matches. That is very good numbers for the Norwegian national team. It's not easy being the striker for the national team, because they are pretty useless.
His average is way higher than our biggest stars, even if they played at a time when the national team actually was good. Solskjær stoppet at 23 goals in 67 games, Carew 24 in 91 Tore Andre Flo 23 in 76.
If he keeps this goal ratio up, he'll pass Norways all time top scorer, (33 goals, back in the 1920-30s), in his mid twenties.
He's scored 12 goals in his last 13 int games, what's the man supposed to do? Score 30 in 12?Just take it easy, he is not killing it for international games, thats all I am trying to say.
We really have no way of actually knowing that. I get his style of play, but we also don't know how adaptable he is to different systems. He has limitations in his game, but he's also very young and I would 100% take the risk if I was City (Pep won't be there for much longer anyways) to see if he could adapt, I think you'd get a ton of goals regardless of whether he fits their system or not.I wonder if the hiring of Rangnick will ease the transfer of Haaland -- from RB Salzberg to Dortmund -- both clubs having similar playing styles either developed or influenced by Rangnick.
Haaland playing under a Pep philosophy would be too foreign for him.
Again, I am not saying he is bad, but he is not killing it, both in terms of numbers and quality of opponents he scored against.He's scored 12 goals in his last 13 int games, what's the man supposed to do? Score 30 in 12?
4 goals per year, you say. Making his numbers sound weaker than they are.Again, I am not saying he is bad, but he is not killing it, both in terms of numbers and quality of opponents he scored against.
He average only score around 4 goals per year, against the likes of Gibraltar, Latvia, Romania etc. He is surely a great young striker with good ratio though. But for his performance/output so far at international stage, he is not really outstanding if compare to other elite goalscorer. But nothing wrong with that really, he is still young and he is playing for weaker nation, so its acceptable.
Stop quoting stats...talk about what you have seen...his performances...I have seen about 6 or seven Norway games in which he has played...imo he is not looking as formidable at international level ... forget goals as the only metric. If you have watched him he doesnt seem to be an integral part of Norway’s jigsaw and his profile in word football suggests he would be. He is doing amazing for a 19 year old...but he isn’t just any 19 year old...he is being quoted as being worth €150 million...therefore one would expect him to be smashing it at international level and he isn’t...that may have to do with the way Norway play not being concerned with attacking first etc.4 goals per year, you say. Making his numbers sound weaker than they are.
He made his international debut autumn 2019, so he has only played for the NL-team for two years. He didnt score in the 80 minutes he played in 2019. In 2020 he scored 6 goals in 5 matches, and in 2021 he scored 6 in 8 matches. Average scoring every 81 minutes for the NL team.
Compared to the other worlds great strikers. Goals per Match for NL team;
Benzema 0,37
Mbappe 0,45
Lewandowski 0,57
Ronaldo 0,62
Lukaku 0,67
Kane 0,7
Haaland 0,8
Sure, there have been some shitty opponents, but all NL teams play those small nations. And while those other guys above play on great NL teams (expect Lewa) that dominates games, and create a lot of chances, Haaland has the drawback of playing for a usually useless Norway.
Whether or not he is "killing it", i don't know, but he has done vey, very well so far in his two years on the NL-team.
Stop quoting stats...talk about what you have seen...his performances...I have seen about 6 or seven Norway games in which he has played...imo he is not looking as formidable at international level ... forget goals as the only metric. If you have watched him he doesnt seem to be an integral part of Norway’s jigsaw and his profile in word football suggests he would be. He is doing amazing for a 19 year old...but he isn’t just any 19 year old...he is being quoted as being worth €150 million...therefore one would expect him to be smashing it at international level and he isn’t...that may have to do with the way Norway play not being concerned with attacking first etc.
And who is the source of this news?New reports repeating Real is his no.1 choice so even if he joins a PL club before he'll probably push for Real in 2 years when Benzema retires.
He is still a beast and I would have him here in a heartbeat but it’s not uncommon for great players to be less impactful at international level just due to the type of football their National team has to play.Would have to agree. I watch all of Norway’s matches, and to say Haaland is killing it is being a bit charitable, IMO. Even if he has had a few good matches, like when he bullied Holland.
New reports repeating Real is his no.1 choice so even if he joins a PL club before he'll probably push for Real in 2 years when Benzema retires.
Regardless of where he ends up in the next year or two he's going to be a Madrid player at some point in time
source: trust me bro
He is still a beast and I would have him here in a heartbeat but it’s not uncommon for great players to be less impactful at international level just due to the type of football their National team has to play.
He is still a beast and I would have him here in a heartbeat but it’s not uncommon for great players to be less impactful at international level just due to the type of football their National team has to play.
Just why? I know Ole and Haaland know each other, but how should that influence Haaland's decision? It did not turn his head around when he had to choose between Dortmund and United, why would Ole being there a positive factor for a future decision? Especially as it was obvious to the average fan ( and surely for Haaland too) that United would go nowhere under Solskjaer.In contrary, I belive our chances to get Haaland have dramatically decreased after Ole´s departure.
Because they have a personal relationship and Haaland may feel he owes Ole a bit. Now joining City, also includes not letting your mate down. It´s an easier choice, so if it´s just for 3 years, why not choose City. They need a striker. We´ve got Ronaldo, also next season. So no sentimentales anymore, expect that his father used to play for City..Just why? I know Ole and Haaland know each other, but how should that influence Haaland's decision? It did not turn his head around when he had to choose between Dortmund and United, why would Ole being there a positive factor for a future decision? Especially as it was obvious to the average fan ( and surely for Haaland too) that United would go nowhere under Solskjaer.
B/c Rangnick was the one who brought Haaland to SalzburgI see there is some story out there claiming United are now having increased hopes that we´ll sign Haaland with RR is at charge. How that sums up, is beyond me, when RR will be gone next summer anyway.
In contrary, I belive our chances of getting Haaland have dramatically decreased after Ole´s departure. Sancho is still here, but in reality, Ole´s departure is a boost for City and Chelsea. My money on City.
