You're welcome.Yeah dreadful defending yourself, thanks for the input Nick, brilliant
You're welcome.Yeah dreadful defending yourself, thanks for the input Nick, brilliant
Yeah, him and a couple of others in Martial’s ‘corner’ and then this strettyender character who I haven’t really noticed before this thread exploded on the other end of the scale. It’s getting truly ridiculous now.Just read @DoomSlayer posts. Its a good laugh.
In one post he suggests it's better to side with Martial because he's one of our own rather than some striker in another league. You can't really have a reasonable debate with anyone thinking that way.
Another person who has a severe dislike to reading and comprehending. I'm tired of repeating myself but I won't allow people to use lies and call me out on stuff that never happened.Yeah, him and a couple of others in Martial’s ‘corner’ and then this strettyender character who I haven’t really noticed before this thread exploded on the other end of the scale. It’s getting truly ridiculous now.
Am I even allowed to be a big Martial fan and still want Haaland, even though it might be at the expense of another position? Or am I just begging for attacks from both these dreaded factions?!
Agree 100%, and Haaland at just 19 years old would have that sell on value also. He is the different sort of striker that we need.One injury to Rashford or Martial and we're up shit creek again. We clearly need another player who can pitch in with goals and I don't mean a sub standard old striker who can bang in the occasional goal. I'm talking about a player who will provide a consistent goal threat.
Can we please get the thread back on topic?
I'll start. Haalands dad is in fact Alf Inge Haaland the same guy who injured Keane and ruined his career. The only reason we should buy this Erling is to stick him in the reserves and get revenge for what his dad did to us.
So first, Ole sent his most trusted scout to watch over Haaland. And now, Haaland sent his most trusted scout to watch over Ole.
My "emotional rebuttle" was about something completely different, but it doesn't surprise me that you like to lie and twist the words of people, in order to achieve or gain whatever you are after - in this case, slating Martial and discrediting anyone who would defend him and his ability.
Agreed.
You don’t punish a kid for the sins of his father.
You have definitely been slating him, though you mask it up with saying "he has talent, no doubt". You refuse to acknowledge how grossly his career at our club has been mismanaged and blame him for not showing consistency as a number 9, considering the fact that this is the first season where he would properly be afforded that role specifically (even during LVG, he had to play a lot more often from the left side of the attack).Where did I slate martial to you? Stop claiming people slate Martial so frivolously.
He can only take those steps if he keeps playing can't he.
You have definitely been slating him, though you mask it up with saying "he has talent, no doubt". You refuse to acknowledge how grossly his career at our club has been mismanaged and blame him for not showing consistency as a number 9, considering the fact that this is the first season where he would properly be afforded that role specifically (even during LVG, he had to play a lot more often from the left side of the attack).
I've had my problems with Martial, his mentality, dedication and mainly his work rate when playing, but he is having a strong start of the season, despite the unfortunate injury. However, right now his position is the least of our problems and I'm on board for signing a backup striker, but not someone who will replace him in the starting 11, because we have 5 positions who need to be addressed much more urgently.
If we could spend £3-400 million in the next 2 transfer windows and straight away challenge for all the big trophies from next season, I'm sure any player would be happy to fight for a place in our team. That will never happen though so we need to plan accordingly and look at our squad from a realistic perspective. The best we can aim for right now is top 4 and a cup win domestically, there is no magic trick that changes that overnight.
Well you have been saying it's Martial's fault that he hasn't taken the number 9 role consistently, whilst knowing perfectly well the circumstances of the last few years, the players and manager we had that halted his natural progression.So where did I slate him.
I agree with most of what you said. although I disliked lukaku for simple things like his touch for example. he would have excelled here if we had a much better functioning team. I know international football isnt the same as league football but you can just see how easy it is for lukaku to perform there. So if Lukaku often struggled here when we had a better midfield last season, how do we think a younger unproven striker from a 3rd tier league would perform?Problem with this place and this thread in particular is that some people want this kid so badly that their reaction to any rance against the idea of buying the kid is met with extreme.
To convince themselves and everyone else in this thread that the kid's purchase is a must they resort to shitting on our striker option who happened to be Martial while overhyping and overrating the kid to ridiculous extent.
The above mentioned coupled with straw grasping arguments and distorted contexts("during Fergie time we had 4 strikers"(completely ignoring the fact that we played 2 strikers in those times), "Fergie bought Van Persie when he was available"(ignoring the fact that the team was more stable and not a shambles with glaring and massive weakness in key areas, not to mention it was Van fecking Persie a proven player and best striker in the PL)etc).
Our squad is crying for an injection of creativity right now and the people on the Caf know this. We simply cannot chose to focus on areas which don't need fixing right now when we've gotten screwed this season because our midfield is lacking.
What do people even think is going to happen with that kid here in our current state? Is he going to pull Messi like runs every games and score to maintain the scoring rate he's had in a third tier league? Lukaku was scoring for fun in Belgium as a fecking kid and was scoring plenty at Everton yet was a bust with us because of how many holes and dysfunctional our team was.
If you want to bring a player like that kid the first thing you need is to sort out your team's creativity. He won't get hot here without services and people have to get that through their skulls. It's that simple.
Problem with this place and this thread in particular is that some people want this kid so badly that their reaction to any rance against the idea of buying the kid is met with extreme.
To convince themselves and everyone else in this thread that the kid's purchase is a must they resort to shitting on our striker option who happened to be Martial while overhyping and overrating the kid to ridiculous extent.
The above mentioned coupled with straw grasping arguments and distorted contexts("during Fergie time we had 4 strikers"(completely ignoring the fact that we played 2 strikers in those times), "Fergie bought Van Persie when he was available"(ignoring the fact that the team was more stable and not a shambles with glaring and massive weakness in key areas, not to mention it was Van fecking Persie a proven player and best striker in the PL)etc).
Our squad is crying for an injection of creativity right now and the people on the Caf know this. We simply cannot chose to focus on areas which don't need fixing right now when we've gotten screwed this season because our midfield is lacking.
What do people even think is going to happen with that kid here in our current state? Is he going to pull Messi like runs every games and score to maintain the scoring rate he's had in a third tier league? Lukaku was scoring for fun in Belgium as a fecking kid and was scoring plenty at Everton yet was a bust with us because of how many holes and disfunctianal our team was.
If you want to bring a player like that kid the first thing you need is to sort out your team's creativity. He won't get hot here without services and people have to get that through their skulls. It's that simple.
No one is shitting on Martial. The vast majority of posters here was in full agreement that him returning has been essential in our attack looking better. The problem with not signing him (or any other CF) is as follows:
1. What if Martial get injured again. When he was out and we played Rashford as a CF we looked clueless up front. Rashford leaves a lot to be desired as a CF, but he is also very dangerous on the wing so its almost like having two injuries
2. What if Martial hits a rough patch of form? Personally i think hes brilliant, but hes always been inconsistent for us. Maybe this is the season where he finally steps up and can consistently play close to his top level, but if he does not then we are kind of fecked because the options are not very good
3. This is not if, this will happen: Martial cant possibly play all league and cup games and the same goes for Rashford and James, with only Greenwood as a backup we only have one rotation player for three spots. Thats not enough. Mata is diabolical as a winger and certainly cant play CF, same with Lingaard
Everyone knows we need more players, particularly in midfield, but the reason we need to get him now is pretty simple as well
1. With every big club in the world having his eyes on him, there is zero chance he plays in Austria in August. Zero. So if say City or Barca snatch him up there is no chance they will resell him
2. The only realistic chance we have of signing him is if Ole is managing us. Thats our golden ticket.
Dan james has made a big impact but how big if were still 7 points off 4th?Didnt stop Dan James from making a big impact where Sanchez had failed.
It wont be hard for Haaland to produce more than Martial.
Good grief, man! You’re saying posters are shitting on Martial because they want a new toy, I said that never happened in this thread. Feel free to quote someone, anyone who’ve done this and prove me wrong. You are an absolutely terrible poster, with your strawmen arguments and faux outrage against things that never happened!Another person who has a severe dislike to reading and comprehending. I'm tired of repeating myself but I won't allow people to use lies and call me out on stuff that never happened.
I actually think we need both Martial and another striker like Haaland. We re too reliant on Martial as Rashford is not very comfortable playing as a 9.
Alright champ. Don't want to derail the thread with personal insults so I'll keep it civil and leave it at that.Good grief, man! You’re saying posters are shitting on Martial because they want a new toy, I said that never happened in this thread. Feel free to quote someone, anyone who’ve done this and prove me wrong. You are an absolutely terrible poster, with your strawmen arguments and faux outrage against things that never happened!
Try googling ‘self awareness’, read about it until you feel you have a basic grasp of it’s meaning and application, then come back to me.
I agree with most of what you said. although I disliked lukaku for simple things like his touch for example. he would have excelled here if we had a much better functioning team. I know international football isnt the same as league football but you can just see how easy it is for lukaku to perform there. So if Lukaku often struggled here when we had a better midfield last season, how do we think a younger unproven striker from a 3rd tier league would perform?
If you read most of my posts on our squad Im usually begging for us to buy an attacking midfielder before anything else. The only up to standard player we have is mata but he is on a steep decline physically. Now I dont know much about this Haaland fellow other than 3 youtube vids. But from what I seen he seems like a Dzeko type of player. Great goalscorer but doesn't seem to offer much else in the buildup phase. Maybe he is a great target man but I cant really judge that from the youtube videos.
With all that said Im very happy to acquire him as long as were not breaking any transfer records. We broke the transfer record on our defense and decided we didnt have anymore funds to upgrade the rest of the team. Thats one of my fears if we do buy haaland in january. Ive already seen silly headlines with us spending 200million on both haaland and Sancho. I know its likely not true but it still uneasy knowing Salburg and Dortmund will try and squeeze us with these rumors.
Will try and watch the next salsburg game to see how haaland looks holding up the ball. id feel more comfortbale knowing he is very adept at this because thats our main problem not having an attacking midfielder.
It's thin because if key players are injured the reserves are not good enough. When Pogba and Martial were out we were hopeless. The solution to a weak squad is to replace 4 or 5 of the squad ASAP with better players. If we spend a season's transfer budget on one player that can't happen. We get Haaland and we keep weak players in our squad.Its absurd. At one moment we are lamenting the state of our squad and how thin it is, and the very next we are against signing top class talent because it might upset some of our players.
Yes. Another striker is an urgent priority. Rashford is not a #9 at this time. Greenwood is still too young. But the striker doesn't have to be an expensive player, unproven in the premiership. I want a reserve striker who can replace Martial, a play-maker and a defensive midfielder. For the same money as Haarland.Everyone saw how utterly toothless we looked when Martial was injured.
I want a reserve striker who can replace Martial, a play-maker and a defensive midfielder. For the same money as Haarland.
Sigh... I’ll try again, I want them both, because they are far from similar players. Martial is much more of a creator, which he is proving now, and far too talented to just drop off a cliff if given some competition/rotation. I even think he could play very successfully as a 10. Now go yell at thin air or something, champ.Alright champ. Don't want to derail the thread with personal insults so I'll keep it civil and leave it at that.
I have to be honest, this overly aggressive propaganda in favour of the new flavour of the month is seriously putting me off Haaland.
The Mirror state that Erling's preference is Real or Barca.
Martial cannot be a number 10, because a player in that position has to drop into midfield very often. A second striker is a different proposition, but it also means changing up the whole system of the team to suit a 2 striker formation. It makes the likes of Rashford and James (to a lesser extent) redundant, and requires a different type of wide players, which we don't have at all.Sigh... I’ll try again, I want them both, because they are far from similar players. Martial is much more of a creator, which he is proving now, and far too talented to just drop off a cliff if given some competition/rotation. I even think he could play very successfully as a 10. Now go yell at thin air or something, champ.
In light of our supposed less than flourishing finances published today, I can't see United spending much more than £50M (clearly a rough guess) this January. We won't be getting this lad or Sancho for that - or whatever modest budget we have.
We need to improve the 1st team and buy players who will start - we don't need to buy players who are going to create competition because we just don't have a good enough team to allow this. We need to buy players who will improve a position - CM is the obvious position.
If this young lad continues to impress for the rest of the season, we should be all over him like a rash in the summer. We've got bigger gaps to fill this January.
The fact that people can’t see that shows just how far we’ve fallen.I actually think we need both Martial and another striker like Haaland. We re too reliant on Martial as Rashford is not very comfortable playing as a 9.
Except for Wazza. He apparently hates sunshine.That’s every player’s preference, it’s not news!
Is goal in life is to "avenge his father"? What anime is this?
Please don’t make assumptions on what kind of a player he is before actually checking him out. Read the analysis I posted in my last post. They will tell you that he is pretty far from a «Dzeko» kind of player and that he contributed a lot in the build up play. He is very direct in his playing style and extremely smart in his movement. It is really hard not to jump on the hypetrain if you take the time to actually dig into his stats and attributes and watch him regularly.
People on here make their judgement based on highlightvideos and that he’s not playing in a top 10 league. That is just lazy. (7 CL goals in 267 minutes and 23 goals in his last 22 national apperances for Norway should give a hint of real quality even for the lazy though)
Is he better than Martial? In my opinion; Yes he is. I think Haaland is the bigger talent by a mile. This is not bashing Martial, because he is a very good attacker, but I believe there’s a very good chance Haaland actually is that generational goalscoring talent that can take us back to the top. 100M might be a bargain. There is no reason why Martial, Rashford, James, Pogba, McTom and Fred shouldn’t make a great attacking unit with him. Add another creative midfielder a right wing and a DM and we are back in business.
Yeah signing a striker to displace Martial or compete with him shouldn't be a priority with the other positions we have to fill. But when we have a chance to sign players like these which is very rare since Ferguson retired we have to take those chances. Jovic Felix Bernardo Silva etc players of their potential no longer want to sign for us but Haaland who you could say is up there with them might actually want to come because of Ole. Imagine if Barcelona decide to sign him to replace Suarez and then he starts bagging lots of goals for them. We would have missed out on a Golden opportunity.
We need another striker and it's irrational to think otherwise. Rashford is clearly not a CF. If we get a new striker we have the new striker and Martial competing for CF role, Rashford and James for LW, James and Greenwood for RW. That's a decently balanced squad.
Martial will be a starting striker since he's integrated into the system, Haaland will provide competition from the bench for the first few games while also starting in cup games. If Martial is tearing it up in the league, he remains the striker, otherwise he gets benched and Haaland gets the starting spot. If they are both performing in their respective starts, we switch to two strikers up front.
Point is, Martial cannot demand to win trophies and yet expect no competition for his place. Same will go for Haaland.