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Erling Haaland | Dortmund player
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Phenomenal player of course, but every time I see one of his goals it seems like he has a full half of the field to work with. The Bundesliga seems very open at times.
Would be a real shame if he went to Madrid. Part of me really wants to see what he can do in the Premier League, even it was for a rival.
Would be a real shame if he went to Madrid. Part of me really wants to see what he can do in the Premier League, even it was for a rival.
People disregarding Ole’s pull !
…Haaland will be playing in front of the OT faithful soon enough
…Haaland will be playing in front of the OT faithful soon enough
I'd personally offer to drive Martial to the airport if it meant securing Haaland's signature.
If there is a chance to buy one of the best central forward in the last few decades you buy him as fast as you can and bring him to Old Trafford and then we will see.
Seriously why would anyone prefer to not to do that to give Greenwood a chance or anyother Young player ?
You have ready made player at the highest level, and there were not many better strikers in history and you would rather give It a shot that maybe, someday Greenwood would be better ?
If Greenwood is better talent he would need to be a hybrid of Ronaldo and Batistuta, and believe me if he is that talented we will find him a place in the team. I would not worry about that.
The player i would worry about is Rashford, cause if we buy Haaland i can see us playing Sancho on the left, Haaland in the centre and Greenwood on the right with Bruno and Pogba behind….and Kimmich at DM (just kidding but that would be just perfect)
Seriously why would anyone prefer to not to do that to give Greenwood a chance or anyother Young player ?
You have ready made player at the highest level, and there were not many better strikers in history and you would rather give It a shot that maybe, someday Greenwood would be better ?
If Greenwood is better talent he would need to be a hybrid of Ronaldo and Batistuta, and believe me if he is that talented we will find him a place in the team. I would not worry about that.
The player i would worry about is Rashford, cause if we buy Haaland i can see us playing Sancho on the left, Haaland in the centre and Greenwood on the right with Bruno and Pogba behind….and Kimmich at DM (just kidding but that would be just perfect)
And then a season or two after, we get Lewandowski. Then we’ll just continue this cycle of getting top class no.9s at the end of their peak forever.
I just can’t help myself but I am still not convinced he will be this all conquering striker.
I know his numbers and they are absolutely ridiculous no matter the opponent. And I love his passion for the game and the way he always celebrates (with) his teammates.
What bothers me is that IMHO(!) he relies too much on pace and power. His technique is not top level and pace and power is something that he will lose eventually. He is brilliant for a counter attacking side though.
As a Bayern supporter I am not sure if I would want him at my club because I think it would not work out.
Glad to be wrong as I enjoy watching him play!
I know his numbers and they are absolutely ridiculous no matter the opponent. And I love his passion for the game and the way he always celebrates (with) his teammates.
What bothers me is that IMHO(!) he relies too much on pace and power. His technique is not top level and pace and power is something that he will lose eventually. He is brilliant for a counter attacking side though.
As a Bayern supporter I am not sure if I would want him at my club because I think it would not work out.
Glad to be wrong as I enjoy watching him play!
So you are expecting to spend a whole season with Greenwood as our one and only striker? Yeah makes sense.
Cavani is gone next summer. Martial probably too.
I mentioned this to friends yesterday.
Nearly every goal you see which Haaland scores or any goal which Sancho was involved in last season, there seems to be an ocean of space to run into with horrendous defending on many occasions. Looks nothing like the organisation of premier league defences.
Absolutely.
I was also thinking about this yesterday when watching his highlights. I rarely see kamikaze teams like the ones Haaland faces in the Bundesliga in other places.
A lot of the goals I’ve seen, there seems to be only 2 or 3 opposing players in the camera shot! It’s like teams are playing 7 up front against Dortmund.
How does that explain that Haaland has a better goal ratio in the UCL than in the BL?
I guess your location suggests you’re joking? Did you not see Leeds get sliced to bits and Greenwood run a fair distance and slot home yesterday?
The PL gets so overrated on here for defensive prowess with no grounds for the notion. In each season some team or other (Mostly City) obliterate the league and notch up cricket scores - Haaland goes to a free-flowing attacking team in England and won’t notch equally comical numbers? Why?
Good question. It probably defies the myth that he's a counterattack player only and he cannot adapt to all sorts of scenarios.
It would be interesting to analyze his performances in CL to know what kind of goals he scored there.
Haaland is a supreme finisher and also has great movement off the ball. Werner has similar movement, but his finishing has been poor in the PL, which is why he's not been able to repeat his BL numbers in the Prem.
Haaland doesn't seem phased by any occasion and I think he'll be successful in any league, but I also agree with @Acrobat7 's point about him lacking technique in aspects other than finishing. This is what I think distinguishes him from a player like Lewandowski, who has been instrumental for a team like Bayern that have to play at a slower pace than Dortmund owing to teams sitting back more against them. His ability to hold the ball and bring other's into play is the best in the world, as a striker, for me and that is something Haaland lacks, and what can be an issue if he goes to the next tier of teams, which will face deeper oppositions more.
If Dortmund are pressed well, they have struggled even with Haaland there because he's a non-entity in terms of building up play. Though, with his immense physical strength, speed and finishing, all you need is to be able to play one pass over the top for him to get in behind and score (like against City when he bullied Dias off the ball and wasn't able to score because he lost his balance as Dias fell on him, if he went down it could've been a penalty).
It will be interesting to see how he plays, wherever he goes. I would love him at United, he's the perfect striker to take over from Cavani and with playmakers like Bruno and Sancho, he will get plenty to chances to score.
Haalands build up play and general involvement is slowly but steadily improving since he joined Dortmund. Yesterday he had about double the contacts he had in his first games there.
To add some numbers (BL only):
1H 2020 13 Goals, 2 Assists
2H 2020 12 G 2 A
1H 2021 15 G 5 A
That is still not very much, but the game yesterday also followed this trend
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If you think German league defending is the same standard of EPL then your post is a car crash.
Anyway like I said, Haaland will be amazing wherever he goes. If he came to EPL I’ve no doubt he’d be getting golden boot or close to it every season.
You didn’t answer my question; don’t skirt.
Big fecking if innit that.
There's a big difference defensively between the Bundelisga / Prem. I'm sure any professional striker would be able to astutely describe the given the space, time and physicality. I think Werner did an interview highlighting this if I'm correct. Bielsa is also very stubborn can't think of a game that leeds haven't pressed the opposition with a higher line and dropped deep to defend.
It's not that the premier League is the best defensive league in Europe, but just because Haalands doing well in Germany doesn't mean it will translate into either Spain or England. Same goes for attacking phases for defenders Boateng for instance average at City then be a key player at Bayern.
I think someone like Mbappe would be a bigger success when assessing how he could do hypothetically as he has more diversity to his game.
Bit early to be worrying about that, no?
I am not worried since he won’t be going to my club (Bayern). I am simply not as convinced as others but wish him well. He is not someone that will function at any club and any setup.
And yes, i agree, he is still very young.
I am not arguing that the Prem is not a better league with better defenders but using Boateng to make that point finally has to die.
With due respect, you’ve not answered the question, either.
Without going too far back
2017-‘18
City 106 goals Liverpool 84
2018-‘19
City 95 goals Liverpool 89
2019-‘20
Liverpool 85 goals City 102
2020-‘21
City 83 goals United 73
What do you think that tells us? Haaland is not coming to play in a sub tier team; City’s numbers dropped last season because of their off start before rallying and obviously no kun delivering fo the majority of the season. Any prolific attacking unit is amassing ridiculous numbers; more scored than their Bundesliga counterparts, less games in that league accepted. Cricket scores and hammerings aplenty.
For this discussion’s sake:
2017-‘18
Bayern 92 goals Hoffenheim (3rd place) 66
2018-‘19
Bayern 88 goals Dortmund 81
2019-‘20
Bayern 100 goals Dortmund 84 (Haaland arrives)
2020-‘21
Bayern 99 goals Dortmund 75
I’m on an iPad so can’t draw up the more interesting data, which is of the goals conceded per team across both leagues during this time, but extrapolating the 34 to a 38 with a quick glance, the amazing PL defences, so-called, look almost identical in numbers conceded. Why is that? Also, both leagues look like they level off pretty abruptly once we say the outliers in the top 2 are removed
A very good attacking unit breaks lines and makes teams chase the game completely open and susceptible to the stupid goal tallies which are commonplace in this era. You can’t get at Haaland for that in the same breath as seeing Greenwood doing the same thing just a day before, further to that, once we get going, those kind of shorelines are always there, potentially, against a whole host of PL sides.
You’d also be better saying that’s what’s happening, than the notion these amazing defences in the PL are sitting deep and getting absolutely daubed and drubbed regardless.
Another thing I’ll note, as it is a point of interest - for me at least - is that Werner constantly, and I mean constantly, breaches the lines in the PL, and if he were an exceptional finisher, heaven knows what his tally would be. Haaland’s pace, aggression and reading of play is superior to Werner’s with a gulf between them in terms of both shooting and finishing. I think rolling lazy cliches off the tongue that are not applicable to the league anymore is a daft thing to do. We’re not in the PL’s golden age of defenders, not even close, and there’s nothing impressive about the quality of defending here at the moment.
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I don't think you're wrong in principle, but I'd say that Haaland is still making (big) strides in his development. He's gotten significantly better on the ball at Dortmund, during the summer they worked on his weaker foot and against Frankfurt he already cut in on his right and delivered a pretty good shot. So while at the moment he solves a lot of situations by being a freak of nature, I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to adjust to a loss of pace in the future. Playing in sort of a Diamond under Rose could help him develop his all around game a lot. His determination and mind set seems to be as exceptional as his physical traits. It's actually frightening how perfect he is in many regards.
Wait, are people really using Jerome Boateng as argument to downplay the defensive side of the Bundesliga?
The guy developed into his prime at Bayern, which saw him become a undeniable world class CB. He was a pivotal part in one of the most dominant CL sides in history, which met their sole real resistance in the final vs. another German club, went on to win a world cup as a starter, got screwed over by injuries but still featured as a key player in another CL winning campaign in 2020. Boateng in his prime would have walked into any EPL side with relative ease.
This whole argument about Haaland not being able to replicate his form in the EPL feels identical to people on here dismissing Aubameyang, a striker that relies even more on pace, joining Arsenal back in early 2018. I lost count on how many people predicted with full confidence of him hitting a wall because "EPL defenders don´t allow the space he needs". 32 goals and 8 assists in his 1,5 EPL seasons alone let them grow quiet very quickly.
Erling Haaland is a 21 years young mega talent with the build, talent and most importantly hunger to become the best CF of his generation. The guy already developed his overall game by leaps and bounds in his 1,5 years at Dortmund, showing immense improvement in off the ball movement, usuage of his weaker foot and passing game. Turns out Dortmund is pretty good in polishing top talents into world class players, who knew?
The guy developed into his prime at Bayern, which saw him become a undeniable world class CB. He was a pivotal part in one of the most dominant CL sides in history, which met their sole real resistance in the final vs. another German club, went on to win a world cup as a starter, got screwed over by injuries but still featured as a key player in another CL winning campaign in 2020. Boateng in his prime would have walked into any EPL side with relative ease.
This whole argument about Haaland not being able to replicate his form in the EPL feels identical to people on here dismissing Aubameyang, a striker that relies even more on pace, joining Arsenal back in early 2018. I lost count on how many people predicted with full confidence of him hitting a wall because "EPL defenders don´t allow the space he needs". 32 goals and 8 assists in his 1,5 EPL seasons alone let them grow quiet very quickly.
Erling Haaland is a 21 years young mega talent with the build, talent and most importantly hunger to become the best CF of his generation. The guy already developed his overall game by leaps and bounds in his 1,5 years at Dortmund, showing immense improvement in off the ball movement, usuage of his weaker foot and passing game. Turns out Dortmund is pretty good in polishing top talents into world class players, who knew?
His record in the CL is even better.
Some of you guys are serioulsy overrating the PL, just watched United yesterday, Leeds defence was horrendous
Leeds plays a far more Pressing oriented German Style, I don`t think they are an average PL side.
Pressing is just a risk vs reward ting. Of course, you could just hide all your players in the box as a lower-level PL side. But if you lose 0:1 is just as bad as loosing 1:4. The question is, are you winning more with this style or are you losing more? It`s not like every German teams does that, either.
Is you lose the Ball in a pressing moment and the gegenpress also fails, it`s more a thing if the other team fecks up the counter than you defending well.
Frankfurt did press high because that tents to work well against Dortmund in the last 3-4 years. Former Dortmund lost the ball in their half or in their own box. The reason it didn`t work this time is not only Haaland. Dortmund defence made up of third tier players has been quite okay building up the game and the new goalkeeper was exceptional in these high press situations.
Pressing is just a risk vs reward ting. Of course, you could just hide all your players in the box as a lower-level PL side. But if you lose 0:1 is just as bad as loosing 1:4. The question is, are you winning more with this style or are you losing more? It`s not like every German teams does that, either.
Is you lose the Ball in a pressing moment and the gegenpress also fails, it`s more a thing if the other team fecks up the counter than you defending well.
Frankfurt did press high because that tents to work well against Dortmund in the last 3-4 years. Former Dortmund lost the ball in their half or in their own box. The reason it didn`t work this time is not only Haaland. Dortmund defence made up of third tier players has been quite okay building up the game and the new goalkeeper was exceptional in these high press situations.
For those complaining about his technique, managing the ball and first/second touch to perfection at his speed and being clinical in front of goal at that speed, is evidence of great technique. Try running at that speed and manage the ball coming from behind you with a perfect first touch, perfect second touch and then time and execute the finish with extreme preciscion almost every single bloody time, while at the same time choosing the correct side and foot. That is not as easy as he makes it look! He also scores with both feet, he chooses the side that gives the best chance for a goal, not like some that always must use their best foot even if that makes them loose time and use a touch too many.
He needs to work on his heading game though. But he will still get better. For years. And that is kind of scary.
He needs to work on his heading game though. But he will still get better. For years. And that is kind of scary.
No not really. I think we'll go with Greenwood and buy a different striker as a backup. Or keep Martial. It's not Haaland or nothing is it?
If we were to sign Haaland amd presumably he's here for around 5 years, playing most of the games, where do you play Greenwood?
I generally agree with the technique part but recently I've been very impressed by his ability to beat defenders. He's not the agile, silky low center of gravity type of dribbler but he gets past them quite regularly and I'd argue even more so than Lewandowski. And against Frankfurt, he even showed some nice skill moves, even though he's not the easiest on the eye. I remember a croqueta for instance. Lewandowski's first touch is something else though.
The better player plays.
I love Mason but I love United more. I don't mind having both then keep the better one. We may sell Mason with a buy back clause just in case Haaland is another Ibra. Or sell Haaland for +150m to whoever can afford him, obviously except our rivals.
He's managing Manchester United and doing a great job.
Titles are around the corner
Literally zero titles delivered. Imagine this team with a proper manager with the ability to build set, attacking patterns.. now that would be great stuff.
Remember and compare the prospects of our team two and a half years ago vs now ..
Good stuff.His record in the CL is even better.
Some of you guys are serioulsy overrating the PL, just watched United yesterday, Leeds defence was horrendous
He is the next "Messi" essentially. We should move heaven and earth to get him next year, as whoever gets him will have an incredible chance of winning the league. For many many years.
For 3/4 years until he’s ready for his next adventure*
If you think Leeds defending is an example of how the premier league defends in general then you clearly don’t watch the premier league.His record in the CL is even better.
Some of you guys are serioulsy overrating the PL, just watched United yesterday, Leeds defence was horrendous
Bundesliga defending and quality in general is very poor.
Yeah fair enough. Personally I wouldn't want to risk losing Greenwood as I think his potential is sky high. If not as good as Haaland then not far off.
If we do get a chance to sign him it'll be a really rough decision either way. Turning down Haaland is awful. Signing Haaland and possibly losing one of Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood is also awful.
I know everyone will shout "rotation" but these guys will want to be starting. They're not backup players.